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Basta Ya
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Posted - 2008.05.01 22:47:00 -
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I salute those of you with the persistance to do missions.
From the perspective of a noob, I've done every level 1 mission multiple times and my standing is a long way from the point where I could talk to even a quality -19 level 2 agent. Worse yet I've graduated up to battlecruisers already and some of the level one missions require something smaller to activate the acceleration gates.
Hey, I'm busy mining out where the good stuff is, the idea of keeping a fleet of smaller ships over in care bear country just so I can keep running the same level 1 missions over and over and over and over again just doesn't cut it.
If there is a quicker way to advance to level 2 missions I'd love to hear it, otherwise I'm done with that aspect of the game.
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Parsival
Minmatar
The Avalon Foundation
Delta.Green
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Posted - 2008.05.01 22:53:00 -
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Have you trained the skill 'Connections'? Just one level gets you a decent standings boost, train it to 3 and it doesn't take long to get lvl 3's for whichever NPC corp you choose.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Naval Protection Corp
Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.05.01 22:54:00 -
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You've been playing for under 40 days and you deem yourself worthy of flying a battlecruiser? And maybe you are trying to get in touch with the wrong lvl2 agents, please check that it is the same company you are running them for.
For everything else, there's Chribba's service.
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Basta Ya
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Posted - 2008.05.01 22:55:00 -
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Thank you, will get that skill and try it..
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.05.02 00:02:00 -
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Eh... Like with every good buisness, you start somewhere down there and work your way up.
It takes about a week or 2 of missioning (if you do it a lot) to get to lvl 3 agents (where you can then use your battlecruiser).
Battlecruiser for lvl 1 is silly since 80% of the gates wont let you in, same goes for lvl 2. All lvl 3 missions will let BCs in.
A lot of things in EvE take time it seems. I was quite happy doing lvl 1 missions and lvl 2 ones when I still had my frigates/first cruisers since they made me more than enough money back then. I really stayed with lvl 3 agents for a long time, building up skills and money to purchase, rig and outfit a battleship to do lvl 4 missions in.
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Gorki Andropov
Free Kings of Life
The Second Genesis
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Posted - 2008.05.02 00:31:00 -
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I firmly second the opinion of those replying on this thread...without wishing to appear confrontational, who the heck do you think you are? One must learn to walk before one can run, friend...
All this talk of "graduating" up to BCs is, to my mind, poppyc*ck - just because you can pilot a ship doesn't mean you can fly it! By my own totally unsubstantiated reckoning, it would take quite a while longer than your vintage 40 days or so to efficiently fly a battlecruiser (even longer, obviously, for more advanced ships).
Anyway, these are just my thoughts, and whilst I realise I'm quite the spring chicken myself, I would like to think that I've made enough mistakes along the way to impart this information to you, dear sir 
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Deus Mallei
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.02 06:44:00 -
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Even though I agree that there is a clear difference between able to fly and able to fly, if I would listen to all the forum people telling me that im to noob to upgrade I would still fly frigattes and do lvl1s.
I'm about five weeks old in Eve, and I feel that I have barely scratched the paint of the mechanics of the game and how things work.
However, at least for me, upgrading through the bigger ships have helped alot. I got a BC after 3 weeks or so, it have helped me progressing and rised my income alot. It was a pure investment from my point of view.
However, im mostly duo'ing lvl3 missions, so going BC and jumping in on some lvl3 missoins would probably not be a good idea as new as me.
Lvl2 missions in a cruiser solo is no problems and doing lvl2s in a BC is quite laidback and "safe".
My point, as the veterans say, realize that even if you can fly a Battlecruiser you dont have the abilities to support it fully, -but- it can be a good stepping stone, it was for me.
Back to your original question, standings.
Make sure you run missions from the same corporatoin and get connections up to 2 or so, social a few steps. Even though I have done quite some missions have had no problems getting standings. |
Zifrian
Gallente
GFB Scientific
Interstellar Corporate Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.02 07:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Basta Ya
I salute those of you with the persistance to do missions.
From the perspective of a noob, I've done every level 1 mission multiple times and my standing is a long way from the point where I could talk to even a quality -19 level 2 agent. Worse yet I've graduated up to battlecruisers already and some of the level one missions require something smaller to activate the acceleration gates.
Hey, I'm busy mining out where the good stuff is, the idea of keeping a fleet of smaller ships over in care bear country just so I can keep running the same level 1 missions over and over and over and over again just doesn't cut it.
If there is a quicker way to advance to level 2 missions I'd love to hear it, otherwise I'm done with that aspect of the game.
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- Well, you need to do the same corp. This might be obvious, but some don't know. The quality of your agent determines your standing increase.
- So if you can do a level 1 Qual 18 agent, you can get standing faster.
- The Connections skill works well at the lower standings, not so much at the top. In your case, should work fine.
- The social skill increases your standing for completion as well. Might want to check that out.
I have connections 3 and social 5 so I gain standing pretty fast and can talk to most agents relatively quickly and it's still too slow. But that's what missions are like. When you get into level 3's and 4's they aren't all that easy and you get much better rewards. Level 1's aren't very exciting nor are they profitable. |
Spud Gunn
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Posted - 2008.05.02 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Gorki Andropov
All this talk of "graduating" up to BCs is, to my mind, poppyc*ck - just because you can pilot a ship doesn't mean you can fly it! By my own totally unsubstantiated reckoning, it would take quite a while longer than your vintage 40 days or so to efficiently fly a battlecruiser (even longer, obviously, for more advanced ships).
This character is about 40 days old now, and I've been ploughing through L3s in a Brutix quite effectively for the last couple of weeks. It's quite easy with a little bit of direction in your training, as long as you don't listen to too much advice from the sort of people who think noobs should be doing nothing but training Learning skills for their first month... |
Gorki Andropov
Free Kings of Life
The Second Genesis
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Posted - 2008.05.02 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Spud Gunn
This character is about 40 days old now, and I've been ploughing through L3s in a Brutix quite effectively for the last couple of weeks
Indeed, I have seen you around...and, I must confess, I too did step up to the BC level as soon as I was able to. That being said, however, I found the experience to be somewhat disappointing, based not least on the fact that I could barely fit the appropriate weapons (sucks to be me)...I was glad I waited a little while, therefore, before buying and flying a battleship, even though I could techincally fly it - the time spent on ancilliary skills was time well spent :)
Also, I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with spending the first month or so training Learning skills. True, it's a large time investment - and a particularly boring one, I admit - but the dividends it pays off later are well worth it.
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Gantrithor105
Caldari
Acerbus Vindictum
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Posted - 2008.05.02 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Spud Gunn
This character is about 40 days old now, and I've been ploughing through L3s in a Brutix quite effectively for the last couple of weeks. It's quite easy with a little bit of direction in your training, as long as you don't listen to too much advice from the sort of people who think noobs should be doing nothing but training Learning skills for their first month...
I can certainly understand not wanting to train learning skills. They postpone immediate gratification, however in the long run, you've got to train them or you're just screwing yourself. I tell most people to get cruisers capable of soloing 2s effectively, then do learning. While many people try and force this on the nublets, they need at least something to do in the meantime, however IT DOES NEED TO GET DONE, and sooner than later. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.03 01:58:00 -
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The player guide, lotsa of info on missions |
Lindsay Fox
Disciples of Comus
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Posted - 2008.05.03 07:16:00 -
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ITT: Jerks.
To begin with, the subject of whether or not he should be flying a BC is totally unrelated to his question, which was 'why am I not getting higher level agents available?'. A couple of people have answered that. The rest just jump in with their superiority complexes and started bagging the poor guy for no reason.
My opinion:
A player who can barely get into a BC with the appropriate guns will still run through missions quicker and safer than if they stayed with a cruiser. End of story. Sure you won't fly it very well but it's still got a much better tank than the smaller ship, and for new players tank is everything.
New players should train what they need to in order to get into a ship, then switch to learning skills for a bit, then back to flying skills, etc. A mix is always best to avoid total boredom & frustration. |
Spud Gunn
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Posted - 2008.05.03 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Gantrithor105
I can certainly understand not wanting to train learning skills. They postpone immediate gratification, however in the long run, you've got to train them or you're just screwing yourself.
I have my basics trained to 4 and advanced to 3. Took about a week, most of which I did overnight when I couldn't find a sufficiently long skill to fill in the time. I recently added a load more crap to my learning plan to take me up to 220+ days, and do you know what effect more learnings will have? Training Clarity to 4 will shave a massive 2 days off. That's it. Hell, I'll probably lose more than two days training in that time just from forgetting to log on in time to start a new skill.
Unless you're the sort of crazy OCD person who's going to plan their skills out two years in advance from the day they start a trial account, there's no benefit in going nuts with Learnings. The "OMG you haev to train learnings first or you will be screwed forever!!!11" attitude is possibly the worst thing in the game at the moment. Better to train them to a stage where they help a bit and then actually get on with enjoying the game, IMO. |
Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.05.03 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lindsay Fox
ITT: Jerks.
To begin with, the subject of whether or not he should be flying a BC is totally unrelated to his question, which was 'why am I not getting higher level agents available?'. A couple of people have answered that. The rest just jump in with their superiority complexes and started bagging the poor guy for no reason.
My opinion:
A player who can barely get into a BC with the appropriate guns will still run through missions quicker and safer than if they stayed with a cruiser. End of story. Sure you won't fly it very well but it's still got a much better tank than the smaller ship, and for new players tank is everything.
New players should train what they need to in order to get into a ship, then switch to learning skills for a bit, then back to flying skills, etc. A mix is always best to avoid total boredom & frustration.
People love to rant about new players flying 'big' ships. Some BC's are less forgiving than others, but a new player can hop into a drake with some minimal skills and still fit a ridiculously strong tank, more than sufficient for level 3's. The myrmidon is also pretty forgiving imo, as you can get a dual MAR tank cap stable on it. Gunnery ships aren't quite as forgiving, but Caldari/Gallente ships make great choices for new players. Honestly, if you're flying a caracal atm, there's really no reason at all not to transition to the Drake unless you simply can't afford it. Same for Vexor->Myrm imo.
You'll want to wait a bit longer before transitioning to a BS. But if you're careful and read survival guides, you can transition to level 4 missions with only a few million SP and have very few problems.
As far as the OP goes, train connections up. It helps a ton with gaining faction (social skills in general are nice for mission runners). Also, I would suggest making sure you're running missions with a decent corp (ask someone who does higher level missions). But avoid corps like Caldari Navy - once you try missioning in Motsu, you'll know why. |
Riley Kendrik
Caldari
Magnadyne
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Posted - 2008.05.04 06:51:00 -
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Social 3
Connections 3
Military Connections 3
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Basta Ya
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Posted - 2008.05.14 00:10:00 -
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Thanks to all for the feedback. By training "social" and "conections" and concentrating on higher quality level 1 agents I have made significant progress and level 2 missions are almost within reach.
With regard to the wisdom of driving a BC this early in the game, well the title of the post was "noob rant" so a noob with less than 2 million skill points in a BC is par for the course is it not?
I figure as long as I don't have any delusions about my ability to use the BC for PvP I will be OK, again feel free to correct me if I am doing something wrong.
fly safe Y'all
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.05.14 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Basta Ya
Thanks to all for the feedback. By training "social" and "conections" and concentrating on higher quality level 1 agents I have made significant progress and level 2 missions are almost within reach.
Just to confirm... you are doing all your missions for the same NPC corp, right? And you're not working for a level 1 quality -18 agent when you have access to quality +18 agents, right? You should stick to one corp, and check after every couple of missions to see if a better agent has opened up to you.
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syphurous
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:37:00 -
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How are you supporting a BC, and loss of when you loose it ? Not to mention best named fittings which are usualy more expensive than T2.
Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
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scramblekid
Gallente
SAS Elite Ops
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: syphurous
How are you supporting a BC, and loss of when you loose it ? Not to mention best named fittings which are usualy more expensive than T2.
Please dont troll, you are bad at it.
LvL 1`s are a grind, I still remember trying to do worlds collide lvl 1 in my imicus 
If anything they are good for working out how the agent system works, and as long as you take in the advice of ( some of ) the other posts here, you will be doing more challenging missions before long.
Another way to work your standings higher is to team up with a friend/corpmate who is running missions for the same NPC corp. Teamwork is always a good thing in missions and the standing gain is a real bonus to new players.
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Kusha'an
Gallente
Equinox Industrial Co.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:50:00 -
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Do level 3s as soon as you want to. And get to level 4s as soon as you can, that's where the money's at. Salvage sansha and angels and you'll be rich in no time.
Don't listen to all those people saying that you should wait. This is a freaking game, for crying out loud. If you insure your ship and lose it, no big deal, go get another one. This game is about trying things, and challenging yourself, and above all, having fun. Anyone who tells you to back off from what you want to do is just fun police.
BTW, I was doing level 3 missions in a Myrmidon at about 6 weeks. Only ever lost one in a mission, and that was because I panicked.
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Jonson pros
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:22:00 -
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Man reading this makes me feel slow, i didn't move to lv3s until i was almost 3 months old, though i diod alot of noob stuff and made shure i new how not to die, i lost alot of kressies so i dont lose alot of drakes :-D.Also since i built up my char fromt he bottom i have good stats and now i can go in what ever direction i want
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.14 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 14/05/2008 14:40:56
If you want to use a BC then its a good idea to do so with a friend "just in case" while you get the hang of things.
I think I used my first BS when I was 3-4 weeks old. I think I lost my first bs a few days later  . It is reasonable for people a month or two old to get into passive tanked drakes and start doing lvl3's if they have a friend helping them get a hang of things first.
Just remember that as long as you fly disposable ships, enjoy what you can. Thats the key - unlike other mmos which force people to use uber stuff that would bankrupt them when lost. You are ready for a ship when you are ready to lose it. And good luck mate!
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Posted - 2008.05.14 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Spud Gunn
I recently added a load more crap to my learning plan to take me up to 220+ days, and do you know what effect more learnings will have? Training Clarity to 4 will shave a massive 2 days off. That's it. Hell, I'll probably lose more than two days training in that time just from forgetting to log on in time to start a new skill.
Unless you're the sort of crazy OCD person who's going to plan their skills out two years in advance from the day they start a trial account, there's no benefit in going nuts with Learnings. The "OMG you haev to train learnings first or you will be screwed forever!!!11" attitude is possibly the worst thing in the game at the moment. Better to train them to a stage where they help a bit and then actually get on with enjoying the game, IMO.
I was slow in training my Learning skills (I started them at 7 or 8 mil SPs or so - I wasn't sure if I would stick with the game long term, which is what Learning is about. In the long term, those small shavings of 5% of time here and there start to add up, in the same way that the small 5% gains on ancilliary skills can really start to make a difference the more of them you acquire. I'm now at level 5 in the rank 1s and level 4 in the rank 2s - which is where the formula if time spent vs time gained really falls over (probably, I just read that on a forum and have not done the math myself).
Essentially: Train what you want, when you want. Fly what you want, when you can. It's a game, play it your way. After all, if you're not having fun, why continue to play? 
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Basta Ya
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Posted - 2008.05.16 00:50:00 -
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Thanks again all, obviously I've got a lot to learn as one of those level 2 missions I wanted so bad wasn't exactly a push over with my Myrmidon (fitted not so well). Must. Train. More.
Are the advanced hybrid charges worth it or should I just train the turret skills up to level 5 for maximum damage with basic ammo?
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.05.16 01:54:00 -
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Get your tank setup first. Myrm can support a dual MAR setup that runs constantly and no level 2 will break it with the appropriate hardeners. I've tanked all level 3's with that setup, and lots of level 4's (including Gurista extrav, first few of enemies abound, etc.). The myrm is a tough nut to ***** if you tank it properly. Then get drone skills. Drones > guns for the myrm. Go for drones 5, drone interfacing to at least 3 (pref. 4) and maybe even go for scout 5 for t2 medium drones. After that, work on gunnery.
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Kusha'an
Gallente
Equinox Industrial Co.
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Posted - 2008.05.16 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Boz Well
Get your tank setup first. Myrm can support a dual MAR setup that runs constantly and no level 2 will break it with the appropriate hardeners. I've tanked all level 3's with that setup, and lots of level 4's (including Gurista extrav, first few of enemies abound, etc.). The myrm is a tough nut to ***** if you tank it properly. Then get drone skills. Drones > guns for the myrm. Go for drones 5, drone interfacing to at least 3 (pref. 4) and maybe even go for scout 5 for t2 medium drones. After that, work on gunnery.
THIS. I would also add that you train BC to 4, as with the Myrm you get a drone and a repper bonus, thus boosting your dps and your tank at the same time.
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