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Marcus Gideon
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Posted - 2008.05.02 17:50:00 -
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I know, I know... another idea that's been talked about before. But I still think they have merit.
Everyone says you can just invest in Secure cans, and then you won't have to worry about ore thieves. But ore thieves don't have much to worry about, and I think they should.
Watching the news lately, one word suddenly sprang out at me and got me to thinking. "IED"
- Made from salvage/rig components, so there won't be too many of them from the start. Also, be a pretty penny to invest in if you can't make them yourself.
- Used by jettisoning one of these into a jet can. The item will then ask for a password, like a Secure can.
- Jet can is filled with ore like usual, and owner has no worry about accidently setting it off. If nothing happens, they can just disarm it and put it back on the stack for another day. Any "authorized" hauler can input the password and extract the ore, although only the owner can disarm and remove the device.
- Ore thief will only see the rock, and not the bomb hiding "under" the rock. When they take the ore, and accept the Thief Warning message, they're prompted for the password. By this point, they're screwed. They've already committed to stealing, with the Warning message.
- If they use an incorrect password, say 3 times, or if they just try to cancel, close out, or back away... the bomb detonates.
- Still weighing out how much damage they should do, probably depend on the size of the item. Although one standard size with the same dmg of a Electron/Concussion/Scorch/Shrapnel would be nice to see. Especially since it's going off from inside their hold, it would be damage straight to the Structure.
Any ideas? Good, bad, need improvements? |
Marcus Gideon
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Posted - 2008.05.02 17:50:00 -
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I know, I know... another idea that's been talked about before. But I still think they have merit.
Everyone says you can just invest in Secure cans, and then you won't have to worry about ore thieves. But ore thieves don't have much to worry about, and I think they should.
Watching the news lately, one word suddenly sprang out at me and got me to thinking. "IED"
- Made from salvage/rig components, so there won't be too many of them from the start. Also, be a pretty penny to invest in if you can't make them yourself.
- Used by jettisoning one of these into a jet can. The item will then ask for a password, like a Secure can.
- Jet can is filled with ore like usual, and owner has no worry about accidently setting it off. If nothing happens, they can just disarm it and put it back on the stack for another day. Any "authorized" hauler can input the password and extract the ore, although only the owner can disarm and remove the device.
- Ore thief will only see the rock, and not the bomb hiding "under" the rock. When they take the ore, and accept the Thief Warning message, they're prompted for the password. By this point, they're screwed. They've already committed to stealing, with the Warning message.
- If they use an incorrect password, say 3 times, or if they just try to cancel, close out, or back away... the bomb detonates.
- Still weighing out how much damage they should do, probably depend on the size of the item. Although one standard size with the same dmg of a Electron/Concussion/Scorch/Shrapnel would be nice to see. Especially since it's going off from inside their hold, it would be damage straight to the Structure.
Any ideas? Good, bad, need improvements? |
Reggie Stoneloader
Teikoku Trade Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.02 18:03:00 -
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Step 1: Find boobytrapped can.
Step 2: Park neutral Ibis next to can.
Step 3: Salvage loot from Concorded Hulk.
What's that? Concord doesn't attack for this?
Step 1: Jet can at undock point of Jita IV.
Step 2: Install Bomb.
Step 3: Profit!
Buy a Manticore. |
Reggie Stoneloader
Teikoku Trade Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.02 18:03:00 -
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Step 1: Find boobytrapped can.
Step 2: Park neutral Ibis next to can.
Step 3: Salvage loot from Concorded Hulk.
What's that? Concord doesn't attack for this?
Step 1: Jet can at undock point of Jita IV.
Step 2: Install Bomb.
Step 3: Profit!
Buy a Manticore. |
Marcus Gideon
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Posted - 2008.05.02 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Gideon on 02/05/2008 18:14:48
 Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader
Step 1: Find boobytrapped can.
Step 2: Park neutral Ibis next to can.
Step 3: Salvage loot from Concorded Hulk.
What's that? Concord doesn't attack for this?
Step 1: Jet can at undock point of Jita IV.
Step 2: Install Bomb.
Step 3: Profit!
Buy a Manticore.
I have no idea what this means...
With my idea, you can't "find" a trapped can unless you steal from it first. Basically, the act of lifting the ore out reveals the bomb. Other than that, I don't get the Ibis and the Hulk thing.
As for luring noobs into blowing themselves up... that could happen too. But the Pirate setting the bait can will have to buy/make the bombs they're expending for amusement. And the rookies will learn about as quickly as they're learning from regular bait canning at present. |
Xiu Dan
Gallente
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 18:27:00 -
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he's saying that since it's your bomb.. all you have to do is park something neutral next to it and the blast will hit the neutral and concord will pop your ship.
Smartbomb effect. |
Marcus Gideon
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Posted - 2008.05.02 19:50:00 -
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I get it now... however it wouldn't work that way.
The bomb doesn't explode from inside the jet can. It's placed there, nestled inside the ore and contents of the can. When the thief has already committed to taking the ore, either to store or immediately eject in their own can, that's when the bomb goes off. So they get the first message about stealing is bad, unless they have turned them off already. Then they get a password request, as the ore is hitting their hold. Then they take 6400 dmg straight to Structure, and the Neutral ship just sits there and watches their ship implode. |
Kestrix
Gallente
Advanced Capital Ship Designs
Hephaestus Rising
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Posted - 2008.05.02 20:29:00 -
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I like this idea a lot. |
Hesod Adee
Xen Of Onslaught
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Posted - 2008.05.02 23:49:00 -
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I can get round your bomb by making a trial account and using that alt in a noob ship to flip the can. Then I use my hauler to take the ore from the can the alt made.
If it's trapped, I lose a free ship. If it isn't, I haul away the ore without you even being able to shoot me. So this booby trap will either do nothing or reduce your chances at revenge on the thieves because your forcing them all to run the alts. |
Mavolio
White Nova Industries
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.05.03 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hesod Adee
I can get round your bomb by making a trial account and using that alt in a noob ship to flip the can. Then I use my hauler to take the ore from the can the alt made.
I wonder if people do this already. They get a trial account to steal the ore then you steal from the trial account so the miner wont actualy get kill rights on the actual ore theif. |
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Hesod Adee
Xen Of Onslaught
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Posted - 2008.05.03 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mavolio
Originally by: Hesod Adee
I can get round your bomb by making a trial account and using that alt in a noob ship to flip the can. Then I use my hauler to take the ore from the can the alt made.
I wonder if people do this already. They get a trial account to steal the ore then you steal from the trial account so the miner wont actualy get kill rights on the actual ore theif.
Probably. It's just that the OPs idea would make it much worse, because having an assistant (not always an alt) in a cheap ship becomes the only way for ore thieves to operate. |
Mavolio
White Nova Industries
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.05.03 01:38:00 -
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Ore theives are a good thing any way. Miners need risks and as risks go this 1 isn't that bad as you dont lose your ship.
Unless they add "Fake" asteroids. You make some asteroids and depending on the size/type you want it to look like will change how much it costs to make. Then when a miner comes along to mine it if they dont scan it 1st it could explode and kill them. |
Kiki Arnolds
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.03 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mavolio
Ore theives are a good thing any way. Miners need risks and as risks go this 1 isn't that bad as you dont lose your ship.
Unless they add "Fake" asteroids. You make some asteroids and depending on the size/type you want it to look like will change how much it costs to make. Then when a miner comes along to mine it if they dont scan it 1st it could explode and kill them.
Better yet, allow can flippers to disguise themselves as large rich asteriods, when the miner fires the mining lasers it triggers agro, the flipper de-asteroids and can blow up the miner.... It would be soooooooo funny to implement. |
Reggie Stoneloader
Teikoku Trade Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.03 05:01:00 -
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Would cargo scanners be able to detect them? |
Mavolio
White Nova Industries
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.05.03 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kiki Arnolds
Better yet, allow can flippers to disguise themselves as large rich asteriods, when the miner fires the mining lasers it triggers agro, the flipper de-asteroids and can blow up the miner.... It would be soooooooo funny to implement.
EVEN betetr than that, they mine your ship into their hanger and then you take over their ship, finaly some real risk for miners  |
Marcus Gideon
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Posted - 2008.05.03 17:54:00 -
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Please tell me you guys are being sarcastic...
There does not need to be any more ways added to Eve for evil sadistic players to screw over their fellow man.
I'm talking about Flippers getting what's coming to them, as in "A long drop, and a short stop", not more ways Miners will lose interest in the game until the ore/mineral market dries up. |
Mavolio
White Nova Industries
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.05.03 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Gideon
Please tell me you guys are being sarcastic...
I also hope you were, if you cant can flip a miner what risk does the miner have? He will just sit in empire all day mining away. If you dont want to get can flipped then invest in some secure tins or get some combat skills. |
Hesod Adee
Xen Of Onslaught
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Posted - 2008.05.03 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Gideon
Please tell me you guys are being sarcastic...
There does not need to be any more ways added to Eve for evil sadistic players to screw over their fellow man.
I'm talking about Flippers getting what's coming to them, as in "A long drop, and a short stop", not more ways Miners will lose interest in the game until the ore/mineral market dries up.
Not sure about the other guys, but I was quite serious when I said that your idea would just make it harder for miners to defend their ore from any ore thief who has multiple computers. |
Sha'ara Sha'amashira
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Posted - 2008.05.04 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mavolio
Ore theives are a good thing any way. Miners need risks and as risks go this 1 isn't that bad as you dont lose your ship.
Unless they add "Fake" asteroids. You make some asteroids and depending on the size/type you want it to look like will change how much it costs to make. Then when a miner comes along to mine it if they dont scan it 1st it could explode and kill them.
The only problem with this is that there is little to no risk for ore thieves at the same time, which I think is the purpose of this thread, Ore thieves add risk to mining but nothing has added much risk to Ore thieves for stealing from a solo miner in high sec. |
Marcus Gideon
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Posted - 2008.05.05 02:00:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Gideon on 05/05/2008 02:01:20
Originally by: Sha'ara Sha'amashira
The only problem with this is that there is little to no risk for ore thieves at the same time, which I think is the purpose of this thread, Ore thieves add risk to mining but nothing has added much risk to Ore thieves for stealing from a solo miner in high sec.
Sha'ara... I could hug you. That is exactly why I started talking about this.
Ore thieves are out there to stick it to the miners. Yay for you. Spend $15 a month so you can belittle people who are trying to make a living.
They need something to be afraid of, some reason they ought to find another hobby. If only a reason they should do what every other gank-loving low life does and form a gate camp.
That's where the hidden booby trap comes in. Feel free to steal my ore for your own amusement. But don't cry when the bomb hits your cargo hold, detonates from the inside out, and does 6400 directly to structure. I'll look back on all the miners who have pod-limped home after unwittingly trying to reclaim their ore, and I won't shed one tear for your heartless search of a lol.
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Mina Ral
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Posted - 2008.05.06 17:01:00 -
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Marcus, thanks for pointing me to this thread. Your idea is certainly more thought out than my impassioned plea. Here's a bump to you. |
sgt carlini
Caldari
The 10th Order
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Posted - 2008.05.06 18:29:00 -
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I would like to say to the risk is good gang:
What risk does an ore thief have? A hulk has no guns, people take them down in the same ships they steal ore with!
You are obviously not a miner if you think investing in cans will do a sodding thing. For a small miner they are useful. A hulk pilot mines more than a secure can in a single cycle.
Not all cans well be rigged. I think they should be expensive. Something to save up for. |
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