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Dreez	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:12:00 - [1] removed by Eris Discordia 'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:16:00 - [2] Originally by: Dreez [ 2004.04.27 12:54:52 ] Dreez > yes.. but EVE is nothings without PvP.. EVE has NO content except PvP. This statement is false; and since your entire argument is predicated on that statement, the whole thing falls to the ground. _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:17:00 - [3] I've seen BHs state sillier things than that. But that shouldn't reflect upon CCP that much. Pain is meant to be felt
Artegg	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:18:00 - [4]
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:18:00 - [5] Remind me never to speak with you in private chat, since it is not private at all. *Spawn of the Devil*
Artegg	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:20:00 - [6] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Dreez [ 2004.04.27 12:54:52 ] Dreez > yes.. but EVE is nothings without PvP.. EVE has NO content except PvP. This statement is false; and since your entire argument is predicated on that statement, the whole thing falls to the ground. I would say you are wrong here With out PVP there is no need for a market, without a market there is no need for minerals or tech 2 building stuff, With out a need for a minerals or tech 2 building componants there is no need for agents or mining. I think this clearly shows that PVP is the most important aspect of the game
Dreez	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:20:00 - [7] If you think about it, its true. Cap is life in combat, whoever loses cap first , dies. Minmatar and caldaris weaponry requires no cap for use, and therefor they dont have to worrie about their cap in combat like other ships do, especially the Megathron. 'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
Parallax Error	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:22:00 - [8] I do hope thats just the misguided personal views of a retarded BH and not the official view of ship and race balance from CCP. A warship should be balanced for PvP, all other factors are secondary.
Viceroy	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:26:00 - [9] BHs are volunteer bughunters, hardly offical CCP information sources. -
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:27:00 - [10] Originally by: Artegg Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Dreez [ 2004.04.27 12:54:52 ] Dreez > yes.. but EVE is nothings without PvP.. EVE has NO content except PvP. This statement is false; and since your entire argument is predicated on that statement, the whole thing falls to the ground. I would say you are wrong here With out PVP there is no need for a market, without a market there is no need for minerals or tech 2 building stuff, With out a need for a minerals or tech 2 building componants there is no need for agents or mining. I think this clearly shows that PVP is the most important aspect of the game I didn't say otherwise. How about you try to prove me wrong, instead of saying I'm wrong and then talking about something completely else? _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Lao Tzu	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:27:00 - [11] Hmmm, wonder why I never take up the invites to join Omega Corp
Sally	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:27:00 - [12] Dreez, cut the whining, it's annoying. -- Stories: #1 --
Nervar	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:29:00 - [13] You c that is BH's personal view, its not stated inn the convo that it is an official CCP take on the mather... Also PvP isnt the single most important thing that make all the weels turn inn Eve. DEATH is what doeas that, and that can come to you inn manny situations. Oh and btw if you use your mind(strategy) and that MegaThong right, you will allways win over that raven or tempy. -------------------------------------------------> What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:30:00 - [14] Originally by: Artegg I would say you are wrong here With out PVP there is no need for a market, without a market there is no need for minerals or tech 2 building stuff, With out a need for a minerals or tech 2 building componants there is no need for agents or mining. I think this clearly shows that PVP is the most important aspect of the game Actually it wouldn't surprise me at all if PvE weren't considerably larger in terms of primary consumer than PvP. Which would, erm, rather spoil the entire arguement sorry.
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:32:00 - [15] Private communication between the Game Masters, Eve Team members, moderators and administrators of the forum and the forum users is not to be made public on these forums or by any other venue. You are not permitted to publicize any private correspondence (including petitions) received from any of the aforementioned. I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Killash Larz	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:34:00 - [16] Edited by: Killash Larz on 27/04/2004 13:52:09 \0/ well whoopie doo... Look the world is made up from a whole lot of differences. If all the races where the same there would be no point in races at at. I don't understand the whole 'my race has a disadvantage in a specific area therefoe i'll try to get everyone else nerfed until I get exactly what I want' routine. I also don't understand why people who do nothing but look for things to moan about bother playing the game at all. If you don't like it play something else and stop trying to wreck something you know nothing about.
Maxim Dane	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:34:00 - [17] Originally by: Artegg Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Dreez [ 2004.04.27 12:54:52 ] Dreez > yes.. but EVE is nothings without PvP.. EVE has NO content except PvP. This statement is false; and since your entire argument is predicated on that statement, the whole thing falls to the ground. I would say you are wrong here With out PVP there is no need for a market, without a market there is no need for minerals or tech 2 building stuff, With out a need for a minerals or tech 2 building componants there is no need for agents or mining. I think this clearly shows that PVP is the most important aspect of the game You are mistaken as well , one aspect of this game cannot survive properly without the other....so please dont start rating which aspect is more important then the other.. it all depends on what you do in game and is subject to each and everyones wishes while playing this game.. "If it works, no need to fix it, NERF IT...."
Sally	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:34:00 - [18] Lock? :P -- Stories: #1 --
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Sally Lock? :P See how it goes, seems to be that a discussion is starting up. I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:53:00 - [20] Originally by: Eris Discordia Private communication between the Game Masters, Eve Team members, moderators and administrators of the forum and the forum users is not to be made public on these forums or by any other venue. You are not permitted to publicize any private correspondence (including petitions) received from any of the aforementioned. And those same people should be careful what they say, saying stupid things like that BH did that have the potential of ****ing off half your player base ( give or take a little ) is not a smart thing to do. I sure hope TomB and Eight don't agree with him though. ( although I do have a minmatar acount just in case they do lol ) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:57:00 - [21] Originally by: Dreez If you think about it, its true. Cap is life in combat, whoever loses cap first , dies. Minmatar and caldaris weaponry requires no cap for use, and therefor they dont have to worrie about their cap in combat like other ships do, especially the Megathron. have you actually FOUGHT any of these ships??? Minmatar ships have about as much cap as the old Duracells you pinched from your sister's.... radio. Yeah grats i don't use cap to fire my guns, i just have a vastly reduced pool to run shieldboosters, hardeners, ECM / ECCM, webbers, scramblers, neutralizers, or any other damn thing. It's called "dynamic balance," where instead of making everything THE SAME, you make it DIFFERENT with OPPOSING STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES. And you better not let Jim seeing you *****ing about 'overpowered Caldari missiles' Fire, wait 5 mins to see if target was stupid enough to await volley, reload.... You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Cardassius	Posted - 2004.04.27 14:00:00 - [22] How about an armor tanked apoc or megathron? When you suck their cap away, their armor will hold 10 times as long as their shields ;) ASCI Recruiting!
Arthur Eld	Posted - 2004.04.27 15:01:00 - [23] Originally by: Bad Harlequin And you better not let Jim seeing you *****ing about 'overpowered Caldari missiles' Fire, wait 5 mins to see if target was stupid enough to await volley, reload.... Now, now...don't stretch the truth. You can reload while your waiting. ____________________ First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire. We deal in lead.
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2004.04.27 15:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Arthur Eld Originally by: Bad Harlequin And you better not let Jim seeing you *****ing about 'overpowered Caldari missiles' Fire, wait 5 mins to see if target was stupid enough to await volley, reload.... Now, now...don't stretch the truth. You can reload while your waiting. You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Aleis	Posted - 2004.04.28 04:55:00 - [25] so exactly what is a cap superior webbed tempest suposed to do against a mega with neutron blasters? **** on it with with auto cannons?
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2004.04.28 07:32:00 - [26] Edited by: Jim Raynor on 28/04/2004 07:48:01 Quote: And you better not let Jim seeing you *****ing about 'overpowered Caldari missiles' Fire, wait 5 mins to see if target was stupid enough to await volley, reload.... !@$#% It is kind of stupid that Caldari ships more or less have to use missiles like autocannons/blasters and get in really close, web, and then unload their missiles to make them effective. Considering Caldari ships have by far the longest targetting range and are specifically designed to not be fast due to their low velocity and high mass, obviously something is wrong here. :( Firing a missile at long range is pretty much a waste of time, the fight is usually decided by the time your missiles even start to land. Anyways about Dreez' whinage. First of all, Megathron and Apocalypse both have more low slots than the Raven Tempest and higher base capacitors. Apocalypse has a huge capacitor advantage, h u g e. Energy draining/neutralizing weapons make the Apocalypse really dangerous and lasers aren't as horrible as people want to believe, I do think Tachyon might need some improvement though. Megathron deals out the most damage period, even with Railguns. Railguns + DMG bonus is still a lot of damage, probably more than the Tempest. Obviously with blasters when in the right range, Megathron is a pimp and pretty much can smoke anything. People don't tell me the Megathron is underpowered, it has gotten the most loving by CCP of any battleship and is defidently the top damage dealing battleship in this game. Tempest is really powerful but projectiles aren't all that wonderful. Honestly the bonuses on the Tempest really just make up for the fact projectiles have crap DOT. I think Tempest is defidently one of if not the best battleship in this game though, and yes it deals a lot of damage for zero cap, but you do have to sacrifice quite a bit of lowslots to get really good damage output for this ship. Plus the Tempest is limited to 5 turrets MAX, and it's not even really easy to get a fifth 1400mm on it. Mostly what bothers me about the Tempest is the falloff on the 1400mm, which is too much. You have have to use ranged ammunition on those turrets, in some situations, right now you don't and that's imbalanced. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Jarjar	Posted - 2004.04.28 07:34:00 - [27] Originally by: Aleis so exactly what is a cap superior webbed tempest suposed to do against a mega with neutron blasters? ** on it with with auto cannons? ** on it? Allow me to laugh, autocannons mounted on a tempest deal almost as much damage, but the tempest has more means of defense than a megathron. So try to use the ship in the same way and you might stand a chance.
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.04.28 08:00:00 - [28] I don't agree with Dreez, the megathron if setup correctly can be lethal. However i don't see the megathron as a fleet battleship, going in close and have the battle turn all way around is too much of a chance. As you are the closest by the sooner you are target. For gate ganking the mega is a nice ship, it can rip most ship apart very fast. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.04.28 08:01:00 - [29] Originally by: Jarjar Originally by: Aleis so exactly what is a cap superior webbed tempest suposed to do against a mega with neutron blasters? ** on it with with auto cannons? ** on it? Allow me to laugh, autocannons mounted on a tempest deal almost as much damage, but the tempest has more means of defense than a megathron. So try to use the ship in the same way and you might stand a chance. However the optimal and ranges are much worse on 800mm's and the DOT is also less. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Saladin	Posted - 2004.04.28 10:10:00 - [30] I have to say I am kind of perplexed at this thread. Without the original post I am having a very difficult time understanding what is going on. It does sound like something that would interest me though. If anyone can eve mail me the original post that would be great. --------------------------- (c) Copyright Saladin, 2005. Any editing of this post by a third party will be in violation United States Internet Copyright law 46525 of 2003.
Saladin	Posted - 2004.04.28 10:15:00 - [31] Jim just to correct your info Tempest can do 6 turrets not 5. The 5th 1400 needs one low slot to be sacrificed, its fitting the 6th that is hard --------------------------- (c) Copyright Saladin, 2005. Any editing of this post by a third party will be in violation United States Internet Copyright law 46525 of 2003.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2004.04.28 10:20:00 - [32] Edited by: Jim Raynor on 28/04/2004 10:22:19 Originally by: Saladin Jim just to correct your info Tempest can do 6 turrets not 5. The 5th 1400 needs one low slot to be sacrificed, its fitting the 6th that is hard I am aware the Tempest has 6 turret hardpoints, the point is that the for the 5th 1400mm you have to sacrifice a bit, and for the 6th, you have to have to sacrifice a lot. A Megathron can do 7 ions pretty easily, probabably 6 railguns easily too (correct me if i'm wrong). ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.04.28 10:47:00 - [33] Originally by: Jim Raynor A Megathron can do 7 ions pretty easily, probabably 6 railguns easily too (correct me if i'm wrong). 7 Ions with engineering 5. You 'll need to sacrifice a low slot for extra grid for MWD and whatever else you use that s heavy on grid... Heavy Cap Booster , 1600mm stuff like that. Pain is meant to be felt
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2004.04.28 11:35:00 - [34] Originally by: Bad Harlequin Originally by: Dreez If you think about it, its true. Cap is life in combat, whoever loses cap first , dies. Minmatar and caldaris weaponry requires no cap for use, and therefor they dont have to worrie about their cap in combat like other ships do, especially the Megathron. have you actually FOUGHT any of these ships??? Minmatar ships have about as much cap as the old Duracells you pinched from your sister's.... radio. Minmatar ships really aren't that bad off when it comes to cap.. I do believe the Dominix only has 4,000 which is the same as the Typhoon. The Tempest has 4,250 which is the same as the Raven and Scorpion. I'd say Minmatar capacitors are average compared to other battleships, hardly old duracells. Hell, Minmatar ships aren't even more fragile than other races ships, as they are 'supposed' to be, they even have on average better powergrids and CPU than other battleships. While I know I'll be flamed for this but Minmatar ships do possess power and speed, and have the lightest mass, smallest signature radius', ect at the cost of well, the 'perception' of their ships being more fragile and underpowered, which obviously isn't the case. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE

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