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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.03 15:43:00 -
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I was informed about this.
It seems the EVE Novel is about to be released on June the 19. Besides some cryptic description, there is not much more info about the story |
Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.05.03 16:51:00 -
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Well the most recent news concerning the workers revolt in the State is related to it. It is also suspected that the attempt on the Amarrian chancellor is related to it.
In general the book and the next expansion are directly linked with the events of the book creating the situation that will appear with the expansion. 'Big' changes are supposedly coming to the background and this is what will 'allow' factional warfare.
Sadly when I checked the US amazon site it did not have it. |
Yoshito Sanders
Amarr
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
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Posted - 2008.05.05 08:23:00 -
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The US Amazon site has it. You have to search for "Tony Gonzales" and not "Empyrean Age" for some reason.
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Kudon Astraisx
Minmatar
17th Minmatar Tactical Wing
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.06 16:08:00 -
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It's listed under just the title "EVE" on the core Amazon.com.
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Briani
The Dotted Line
Eve Trade Union
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Posted - 2008.05.27 08:30:00 -
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Edited by: Briani on 27/05/2008 08:32:02
I have mine ordered 
According to the database at work the publishing date has changed to 1st June. I'll try to confirm this later today.
Hardback ISBN: 0575082682
Paperback ISBN: 0575080353
Use the ISBN number to search for it from your favorite online bookseller.
It can be pre-ordered from:
Fishpond.com.au Hardback
Fishpond.com.au Paperback
Fishpond.co.nz Hardback
Fishpond.co.nz Paperback
Amazon Canada Hardback
Amazon Canada Paperback
I'll add more when I find them.
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Deviana Sevidon
Panta-Rhei
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.06.19 11:13:00 -
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I ordered Empyrean Age on Amazon.de and just received an email, that they are unable to send the book and ask me if I am still interested.
What are the experiences of others who ordered the book?
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Uilliam Nebel
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.06.19 11:40:00 -
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My experience has been that no one outside the U.K. book distributors and Amazon CA seems to be able to actually take a pre-release order for it. And with how high shipping is from there to the U.S., I'm not to crazy about buying a book where the majority of the price is just to get it to me. I checked it on the Amazon U.S. site this morning, and you still only have an option to be alerted when it is available. I ran the ISBN through Border's system, and it is not even listed with them.
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"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.) |
DJ Geist
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:56:00 -
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My local barnes and noble doesn't see it in their computers according to isbn#, title, or author
My local Borders doesn't see it in their computers according to isbn#, title, or author
I'm in the USA (Illinois)
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Deviana Sevidon
Panta-Rhei
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.06.20 09:19:00 -
[9]
Update:
Amazon does not seem to know when the Book will become available. Is there anyone who already got the book from other sources?
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Gotchy
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.20 10:09:00 -
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Amazone.de also fails to deliver the book to me. 
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Uilliam Nebel
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.06.21 00:44:00 -
[11]
At this point, I think it is safe to assume the initial release of the book is very much FUBAR'd and that most of us will be waiting much longer then we would like to actually get hold of a copy.
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"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.) |
Stitcher
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.21 01:35:00 -
[12]
Book order dispatched from Amazon. Estimated delivery date: June 23rd.
:D
Definitely looking forward to that.
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Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain. |
Uilliam Nebel
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.06.21 02:17:00 -
[13]
 Originally by: Stitcher
Book order dispatched from Amazon. Estimated delivery date: June 23rd.
:D
Definitely looking forward to that.
Amazon US, or U.K.?
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"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.) |
Stitcher
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.21 02:42:00 -
[14]
UK
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Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain. |
Briani
The Dotted Line
Eve Trade Union
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Posted - 2008.06.21 07:05:00 -
[15]
Looks like it's going to be late arriving.
I work for a UK based book wholesaler and it's not in stock at work so unless you've ordered it from Amazon.co.uk, who most likely got a delivery direct from the publisher, you'll not be getting it over this weekend.
I have the whole of our goods-in department on the shift I work on the lookout for it so when it does come in there'll be a fast turnaround.
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Irida Mershkov
Demon Theory
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.21 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Book order dispatched from Amazon. Estimated delivery date: June 23rd.
:D
Definitely looking forward to that.
I got that load of crap, and it came today. You should get it today i'd imagine. Or tomorrow.
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bradfirj92
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Posted - 2008.06.21 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: bradfirj92 on 21/06/2008 14:56:22
Ordered mine from Waterstones, made the mistake of choosing the hardback, it's said "Waiting to be picked up from our warehouse." since Thursday.
I picked Royal Mail - First Class, this is taking too long!
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TimGascoigne
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Posted - 2008.06.21 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Book order dispatched from Amazon. Estimated delivery date: June 23rd.
:D
Definitely looking forward to that.
same here
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Katharsiz Prizma
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Posted - 2008.06.22 13:34:00 -
[19]
"Amazon.co.uk items (Sold by Amazon EU S.a.r.L.):
1 Eve: The Empyrean Age ú12.07 1 ú12.07
Shipped via Royal Mail (estimated arrival date: 25-June-2008)."
Can't wait. From UK to northern Sweden, preordered
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Tyr Vaantau
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2008.06.22 16:17:00 -
[20]
I got it yesterday :P
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Bishop White
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Posted - 2008.06.23 05:53:00 -
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I'm looking forward to this being published in the states. If it is half as good as my beloved 40K novels, I'll be very pleased.
I hope someday that someone comes out with an EVE Compendium of sorts. That is, a book that includes the best short stories, artwork, tips and hints, a history of the game's development...sort of like a Hitchhiker's Guide to EVE. There is so much to this game (it is the only MMO that has held my attention for long) that it deserves such a magnum opus.
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Stitcher
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 13:36:00 -
[22]
my copy arrived this afternoon, and I'm already a third of the way through.
This thing is a masterpiece. I've got a lot of respect for TonyG's talents as an author.
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Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain. |
TimGascoigne
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Posted - 2008.06.24 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Edited by: Stitcher on 23/06/2008 22:41:45
Edited by: Stitcher on 23/06/2008 22:35:33
my copy arrived this afternoon, and I'm already a third of the way through.
This thing is a masterpiece. I've got a lot of respect for TonyG's talents as an author.
EDIT: ....and now I've finished it, though I've given myself a splitting headache in doing so. This should be evidence enough of the book's quality, as should be the fact that I fully intend to re-read it a few times in the coming days. I'm a pretty fast reader and, with only a few breaks, it still took me the better part of ten hours to finish, and it was worth every second. Big book, big themes, masterfully written and absolutely enthralling from cover to cover.
My only gripe with it is that a few plot arcs were never really fully resolved (I won't go into specifics, for fear of spoiling it for those unfortunates who are yet to read this treasure) but that gripe drowns next to the power of the novel. I came within an inch of shedding multiple Single Manly Tears at one point - I suspect that a less emotionally hollow reader would have openly wept 
So... When's the next one?
I hate you. My copy arrived this morning but I haven't had any opportunity to read it because I have been kept busy defending alliance assets in 0.0
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Deviana Sevidon
Panta-Rhei
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Posted - 2008.06.26 10:45:00 -
[24]
Amazon just told me, the delivery date would be between the 17.7. and 22.7. 
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Isira Aljazaer
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Posted - 2008.06.27 14:54:00 -
[25]
Got it yesterday! \o/
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Jacque Lothaire
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.29 19:36:00 -
[26]
Got it and finished it. A very interesting book...  |
Molten Black
Lazy Twats Inc
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Posted - 2008.07.01 16:02:00 -
[27]
Got it, read it.
My advice, get it.
Thx Tony Gonzalez. Great book.
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Ka Lok
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Posted - 2008.07.03 09:33:00 -
[28]
Just got the book. Look forward to reading it this weekend. One minor note of discontent, the hardcover is not bound but glued.
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Nef Erator
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.07.03 19:06:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Stitcher
Edited by: Stitcher on 23/06/2008 22:41:45
Edited by: Stitcher on 23/06/2008 22:35:33
my copy arrived this afternoon, and I'm already a third of the way through.
This thing is a masterpiece. I've got a lot of respect for TonyG's talents as an author.
EDIT: ....and now I've finished it, though I've given myself a splitting headache in doing so. This should be evidence enough of the book's quality, as should be the fact that I fully intend to re-read it a few times in the coming days. I'm a pretty fast reader and, with only a few breaks, it still took me the better part of ten hours to finish, and it was worth every second. Big book, big themes, masterfully written and absolutely enthralling from cover to cover.
My only gripe with it is that a few plot arcs were never really fully resolved (I won't go into specifics, for fear of spoiling it for those unfortunates who are yet to read this treasure) but that gripe drowns next to the power of the novel. I came within an inch of shedding multiple Single Manly Tears at one point - I suspect that a less emotionally hollow reader would have openly wept
So... When's the next one?
Agree 100%! In fact I stayed up a lot later than I intended to last night reading it as I couldn't put it down.. but whats with the ending?
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.04 06:48:00 -
[30]
I also received my copy of the Empyrean Age. A very good read so far.
I also noticed that it becomes interesting to read some of the more recent Chronicles again.
For example, in a hindsight the fate of the slave boy Sispur, from "The lottery" seems to be grim, as "servant" of Councilor Karsoth.
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KtoJest
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.05 12:07:00 -
[31]
hi-
question for the folks that have read the book.
chap. 23 (pp146-151)
Otro is trying to get a handle on Tibus Heth. In the process, he identifies a tattoo on Tibus's wrist as being a mark of the Templis Dragonaurs.
Q: How come no one else has seen it? ie T.H.'s employers; past present and prospective?
Or am i missing something? :)
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Arcon Telf
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.07.06 08:32:00 -
[32]
Has anyone in the US had any luck procuring the book using traditional means (i.e. Amazon US, B&N, Borders, etc.)?
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Mahogany Finish
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.06 19:01:00 -
[33]
I was only able to get it in the U.S. through Amazon.co.uk.
Pretty good book, I reviewed it here.
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Charles Stross
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:53:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Charles Stross on 08/07/2008 18:54:26
Originally by: KtoJest
hi-
question for the folks that have read the book.
chap. 23 (pp146-151)
Otro is trying to get a handle on Tibus Heth. In the process, he identifies a tattoo on Tibus's wrist as being a mark of the Templis Dragonaurs.
Q: How come no one else has seen it? ie T.H.'s employers; past present and prospective?
Or am i missing something? :)
Yeah you're missing the fact that it's poorly written and edited.
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Stitcher
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.07.08 19:14:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Stitcher on 08/07/2008 19:16:13
Edited by: Stitcher on 08/07/2008 19:13:58
Originally by: KtoJest
hi-
question for the folks that have read the book.
chap. 23 (pp146-151)
Otro is trying to get a handle on Tibus Heth. In the process, he identifies a tattoo on Tibus's wrist as being a mark of the Templis Dragonaurs.
Q: How come no one else has seen it? ie T.H.'s employers; past present and prospective?
Or am i missing something? :)
It took Gariushi top-level access to Ishukone's quantum supercomputers, and a comparative eternity (several seconds) of processing time before the connection was made. My guess? Not many people would even have recognized the tattoo for what it was at all. As a megacorporate CEO however, Gariushi would probably have been briefed on all sorts of classified information that might be well above the access level of an ordinary citizen working at Heth's level of society. There's every possibility that people may have HEARD of the Templis Dragonaurs, but that their emblems and iconography are restricted information within the State to hinder their recruitment efforts.
Besides, there's every possibility he was just good at hiding it.
I agree that it's something of a stretch, however. It would have been better disclosed via a communication from some investigative agent or another that Gariushi had assigned to finding out what Heth was doing in the years he was off the grid.
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Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain. |
static zero
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.07.11 01:45:00 -
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I just finished the book. Overall it was very enjoyable.
I would humbly suggest, however, that the book be manually proofread for spelling errors. It seemed like every chapter had at least three misspellings. Many of them were either misspellings of proper names, like "Malaetu" or "Shakur." I also found, quite often, homophones like "were" used in a context where "where" would have been correct. It leads me to believe the document was simply checked by a word processor's spell checker before submission.
Normally I haven't got a problem looking past things like that, but it was rather distracting in this instance. I had expected more polish in a book this length.
The stories that Tony told, though, are sucking me back into this wondrous universe after a long time away. Despite its flaws, I enjoyed the stories very much, and I'm catching up on all the news since my hiatus started.
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RU Sirius
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.18 19:33:00 -
[37]
i've actually given up on it around p150 or so. The annoyance and disappointment that it was, well basically fanfiction quality rather than professional writing overwhelmed my desire to actually continue reading.
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Uilliam Nebel
Amarr
13th Udorian Rangers
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Posted - 2008.07.19 13:51:00 -
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I am just starting part three now. (About 200+ pages in.) And it seems to have a lot of 'Wow' factor, but not much depth. The characters all play into common and overdone sci-fi archetypes at this point.(Besides Falek's clone.) And I am really getting annoyed with the simpleton morality, which would be more at place in a fantasy setting, not a sci-fi one such as Eve.(Or at least thats how I see it.) I am going to finish it because it is official PF and it is laying out many details which can be brought into RP. But outside of an Eve role-player, or any fan of the back story, or those who like drawn out descriptions of zero-G sex.(Note to self, if ever shagging a hot Gallentee chick, do not think of Tibus Heth.) I can't recommend it as more then basic pulp science fiction. But maybe the second half will be better.
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"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.) |
Stitcher
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.07.19 15:48:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Uilliam Nebel
... But outside of an Eve role-player, or any fan of the back story, or those who like drawn out descriptions of zero-G sex...
Drawn-out? Dude, it was like half a paragraph.
You want drawn-out descriptions, you need to read C.S.Goto (AKA C.S. Multilaser) sometime (Black Library Author, wrote some tie-ins with the Dawn of War games and decided to just ignore the Warhammer 40,000 PF wholesale). There's one scene affectionately known as "The R[avishing] of Taldeer" that just goes on and on and ON.
Believe me, I have read a lot of bad books in my time. Empyrean Age ain't one of them. I'll retract one of my first comments about it being a "masterpiece" now that the fangasm has worn off, but I still reckon it's a decent read.
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Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain. |
Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.19 16:36:00 -
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It is a good book. I personally think some of the plot-twists are a bit far-fetched and not all of the multiple sub-plots have a satisfactory conclusion and I would have loved if the space battles would have gotten a little more room.
But yes, overall it is a good book and I recommend to read it to the end.
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Uilliam Nebel
Amarr
13th Udorian Rangers
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Posted - 2008.07.19 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
I'll retract one of my first comments about it being a "masterpiece" now that the fangasm has worn off, but I still reckon it's a decent read.
My view, it was a half page that didn't need to be there, and it's only purpose seemed to be 'Look people have zero-G sex in Eve.' Perhaps I should have gone more into the horrors of how Karsoth spends his time with his slaves on page 208? I mean, we read his thoughts as he is giving his address, do we need to have that added bit of sexually explicit excess to make it more clear he is a 'bad' guy, and wants to use people however he wishes?
And I'm not saying that it is a horrible book, or the worst I ever read. I'm just saying it is an average sci-fi pulp, and the only real interest it has for me is that it is in the Eve setting. But the story is not all that deep, or original so far.
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"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.) |
Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.19 18:28:00 -
[42]
Well, in an average Sci-Fi Book, or in many others, the good guys appears at the beginning of the book and the bad guys at latest on page 10.
Empyerean Age is more or less full of bad guys, or at least a people who think themselves as good, while doing every conceivable crime.
[slight spoiler]
The only good guy is a person who lost his memory during a failed clone transfer and who has to discover that he was not a very nice person in his former life.
I found it a refreshing change from many, Star Trek like Sci Fi books, with an universe full of do-gooders.
So no, you are doing the book and the author wrong if you compare it to an average sci-fi book, that you read only once and forget afterwards.
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Uilliam Nebel
Amarr
13th Udorian Rangers
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Posted - 2008.07.19 18:49:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
So no, you are doing the book and the author wrong if you compare it to an average sci-fi book, that you read only once and forget afterwards.
My point wasn't about how the 'good' guys, or 'bad 'guys' were presented. What I was pointing out with the example of Karsoth was the authors general lack of subtleness in presenting any of the characters, and their motives. And how many seem to just be a bunch of emotionally irresponsible teenagers in how they act.
For example, the whole episode with Vince on the Retford. He goes to try and kill everyone by opening the bays airlock? Why cause he hates the Amarr, and thinks they are all dead anyhow?
And there are many other examples, where the supposed elite of Eve act like a bunch of immature temper tantrum throwing Dawson's Creek fill ins.
That sadly, is the overwhelming amount of pulp sci-fi in print these days. Just a bunch of angst ridden types, where the poorly constructed stories 'bigger' point gives them perspective of being on the 'right' or 'bad' side or victimized by a system they are fighting against. And all the while it does not look to serve the plot, but try and relate to the reader in some way. Which is clearly the case with this book because it looks to have been written with a focus toward twelve to sixteen year olds.
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"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.) |
Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.07.19 21:51:00 -
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ôSo no, you are doing the book and the author wrong if you compare it to an average sci-fi book, that you read only once and forget afterwards.ö
With the amount of plot holes and things that donÆt make sense I wonÆt be reading it a 2nd time. Although I did enjoy it, I donÆt think itÆs wrong to compare it to an average sci-fi book as thatÆs what it is.
What about the last chapter? It went on about random stuff that had nothing to do with the storeys in the novel and that will be meaningless for most none Eve players who read it. Its bad writing to make a last chapter of the book unrelated to the rest of the book. It was just so random and felt like pulp writing. Saying that I did like the Broker and the way he was bought back and implanted. That was pretty good.
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Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation
(www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.19 22:09:00 -
[45]
Sure, it is not a masterpiece, like Hyperion from Dan Simmons.
Yes it has plot holes, yes some sub-plots are not really resovled and not everone is acting logical. Everything is correct, but you can still enjoy the book.
If you say stopped reading at page 150, then this is fine. I still think you are doing the book wrong, but it is of course your choice how you spend your time.
One last thing, before I will leave this discussion for good. If you only read the greatest Sci Fi Novels of our time and do not bother with anything less, why have you picked up the book in the first place?
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Uilliam Nebel
Amarr
13th Udorian Rangers
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Posted - 2008.07.19 23:22:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
If you only read the greatest Sci Fi Novels of our time and do not bother with anything less, why have you picked up the book in the first place?
For me, because it is a vital part of PF in Eve to know, and think of in regard to role-play. I now actually know, and have a sense of context for why the war has happened. I was actually able to fill in a lot of holes so far, in who, what, where, and when that the in-character news and chrons were lacking in detail.
For instance, go read back over the news sources critically. Notice how they give you no real clue into the average person in Amarr's life, or perception of the war. Also you really have no idea of the motives or reasoning for those whom have caused these sweeping changes. This is where the book was very much enjoyed by myself, because it has given me more 'facts' in so far as the setting goes.
As a story so far, I just don't think it is meant to appeal to more mature readers whom more often then not don't want characters who are special, have attitude, or some other 'it' factor. They want people like themselves, who worry about their career, paying bills, the everyday work involved with keeping a regular and happy marriage going, raising kids. And they like to read about these normal and 'I was not a slave somewhere beaten every day with a dirty toilet brush' characters as they deal with extraordinary events and circumstances. Because they can relate to them on a human level, and feel themselves pulled into the story more, as they think of what they would do. However here, every other person is a former slave mad at the world, a religious sociopath, the Gallantee version of Maverick in 'Top Gun', a violent criminal, a victim of abuse.. etc, etc... I found myself really only able to relate to the clone, as he was the only one without his head up his own rear and all on about himself. And that translates to pulp escapism sci-fi in my view.
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"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.) |
Kai Zion
The Zion Accounts
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Posted - 2008.07.20 00:27:00 -
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I'm a big fan of CCP and frequently on the other side of this debate, but for once I've gotta say that I'm feeling a bit disappointed. Not hugely, just a little let down. I was hoping for something a bit more cerebral, that toyed with all the conceptual and philosophical depth that Eve's backstory has long been rich with. They had so many pages to work with, a captive audience...it feels like that hasn't been totally capitalised upon. Still, a damn good effort for a pioneering approach to game design, they have to be credited for that. Also, I don't think the entire novel was intellectually vacant by any means, it delved the odd depth, but I personally found those moments too far and few between...and too overtly explored.
Subtlety, it seems, was sacrificed upon the altar of ensured reader understanding. I don't really pass any judgement on that as I can understand why, but it's always going to leave at least some disappointed. I guess at one point a cost-benefit analysis was made and people like Uilliam, myself and quite a few others were deemed to be the minority sitting down one of two mutually exclusive paths. That's how it goes.
I think Uilliam's summary of some of the problems is quite accurate and well-put. For my part I've just come into TEA with mismatched expectations. I'm easy enough to please though, even with pulp, so I still found the novel was interesting enough and felt compelled to read the whole thing over a day.
It just didn't blow my fluffy little Egger-SocksÖ off, though. It was a long-burning love of Eve that fuelled the page-turning, not anything else.
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Uilliam Nebel
Amarr
13th Udorian Rangers
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Posted - 2008.07.21 02:25:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Uilliam Nebel on 21/07/2008 02:25:27
O.K., just got to the part where the Prime Minister of the Republic, Karen Midular, is sexually assaulted as everything is going to hell with the Matari government inside a high security government bunker.
Yeah, uhm....
I have to agree with RU Sirius' observation, this is little better then fan fiction writing quality at most. I can deal with the numerous typos, and quite a few other things. But to see as sick a crime as sexually assaulting a woman tossed in for little more then shock value, as it in no shape, way, or form advances the story or contributes to the plot, has me thinking about not finishing the rest.
I know Eve is supposed to be a 'dark' setting and all. But this story just seems loaded with bad things for their own sake, and doesn't try to offer any real context to the events taking place, or support the over all storyline.
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All I can say is, I'm very happy for you people that you've only ever apparently encountered the superlative end of sci-fi before, because I just had a run-in with a title that apparently received critical acclaim and yet, in my opinion, is far worse in the quality of its writing during it's best bits than Empyrean Age is at it's worst.
I am referring to "Split Infinity" by Piers Anthony.
Yay, here's a cliched "everybody lives in domed cities" sci fi world where, for some inexplicable reason, the vast majority of the planet's population are required by law to wear no clothing whatsoever. And there's a kind of interdimensional wall running across that whole planet that drops you on an equally cliched magical world of unicorns and werewolves, where everybody addresses each other as "thee" and "thou". The protagonist's girlfriends include a robot, a unicorn (no, really), and his alternate self's widow. His alternate self also happened to be the most powerful wizard in the world, and he's inherited that power. The dialogue is stilted in that "you can write this crap, but nobody would ever speak it" way, and the only character with any depth at all is the sodding werewolf.
And the bloody thing was the first of a series of seven, apparently. I tell you this, if that book had been published today, as opposed to the 1980s, then it would have been torn to bloody shreds. back when it was published, it got excellent reviews.
If there are "critically acclaimed" books out there whose writing style falls massively short of the standard set by Empyrean Age, I'd say it's a bit harsh to call TonyG's writing "fan fiction standard". I reckon you folks have just become jaded because you've only ever read the really, really good stuff.
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Kai Zion
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Posted - 2008.07.21 13:10:00 -
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That novel does sound awful.
Anyways, my dear Stitcher, please don't lump one person in with the next when the common ground we share is simply that there were points of the novel that disappointed us. For my own part, I've barely been exposed to Sci-Fi at all, and even then only really in the medium of films. TEA was in fact, the first piece of published science fiction I think I've ever read.
I come from a philosophy background, so that's what interests me most about Eve - philosophical issues. One of my favorite moments in the book was Victor's internal dialogue after he realises Marius is rejecting his "old self".
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This is the paradox of immortality...if we treat the living as just future memories - mere passing entities to be cherished only when it suits us - then should we treat each clone as an independent life, discounting the merit of past deeds as irrelevant from one copy to the next?
That is my kind of stuff. Eve is riddled with a plethora of interesting issues like these. Things that in our world are only ever the subjects of thought experiments are, in Eve, real issues of the day. AI, cloning, posthumanism...there are some concepts here that you could spend entire novels writing on and many have.
Tony touched on this stuff throughout the novel and at times he delved into it a decent amount. My only wish was that he trusted the intelligence of his audience even further and got even more stuck in to them. Instead we had lots of high drama and plot twists and the like. It's not that I don't like this stuff, I like it as much as the next guy. It's just that when you have a setting so packed with potential as Eve is, my personal opinion is that you don't do it as much justice as you could have unless you give this stuff more time than it had.
That's just my opinion. I don't think it's "THE TRUTH" or anything. It's just how I feel about this, and maybe Tony or the other CCP guys are reading this, maybe not, maybe there's something of value in that opinion for him/them, maybe not, but feedback is better than silence, I always say!
By the way, I don't agree that it's "fan fiction standard". The standard of fanfic is by and large fairly poor and Tony's book had me turning pages until it was done, a full 12hr reading session. I said earlier that was only spurred on by my love of Eve, but I take that back. The way the plot unfolded and the way some of the characters were built up made me really want to lose myself in the story, so that's another thing to credit him for.
I do think it's "pulp" though, which is to say I think it's made to have a broad appeal and not alienate anyone with heavy intellectual explorations. I think that's an entirely fair claim myself, and it's not really a negative value judgement in any case, it's just how I see it. I admit that its the best way to go if you want to have the most widespread success possible with the lowest risk.
At the end of the day I'd have just approached it differently. If I were fortunate enough to have been in Tony's shoes, I'd aim to write something that could win Booker (I said I'd aim for that, not achieve it! :P) not something that Eve fans would snap up (which they certainly have here, which is great). I'd have attempted something that launches Eve into the consciousness of a whole new audience, that elevates it once again into a far wider arena and showcases this unique game to the world again. Not as a giant economic/political/space simulator, as has been done in other endeavors, but as a giant philosophical thought experiment inhabited by thousands of players. I'd have tried to establish Eve as more than just a game in the same way Coke is more than just a sugary black soft drink. "Cultural phenomenom" - that's what I would have tried to build (upon).
CCP is nothing if not tremendously ambitious. I hope someday that ambition helps them realise the true extent of the potential they're sitting on.
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Posted - 2008.07.21 14:38:00 -
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I find it a nice book, period.
And it has one massive problem: Deus Ex Machina. All over the place. Everytime that something is going to go the usual way (take Malkalen for example) one of the three Deus of Machina (yes, they are characters with name and all that) just appear and do something to change it and head it back to war. So it feels more like SuperHeroes of EVE.
Not to mention that all factions are absolutely useless outside their SuperHeroes. Of all the CEOs and power in the Caldari corporations, no one else notices the symbol of the Dragonaurs (which, by the way, count hundreds of thousands of members... when they were simply a terrorist group at the starting of the book). Only Otro, because he's one of the important guys (not Deus, but close to it). Don't other corps have intelligence services watching that footage over and over to the milimiter? And, come on, the CEO of the most powerful corporation in the Caldari state, doesn't make a routine scan on who drives her to guarantee her security? Because how they force her to resign is hilarious. And the Minmatarr Republic is crippled with agents of the Amarr, so much that they can attempt to violate the President (what the ****?! Is this a government with any seriousness) and the Republic government knows nothing about it, until the Elders come in and solve it all, because they know all the names and the crimes of all of them. What the ****?! Why didn't they say so before and give the Republic a chance?
So the book is nice, when the chapters have nothing to do with the Broker, Lady Sarum (what the ****, psychic powers in EVE?!), or the Elders... well, and Otro Gariushi. The rest of the characters are cliched, not too bright, and all that, but at least they are not SuperHeroes of EvE.
It is a nice read for those of us who like PF... specially if you can ignore parts of it. And I appreciate the huge effort made into interweaving the events in the novel with those of the news but the SuperHeroes just take everything locical and reasonable away. You know they are the only ones capable of doing things right, so you can bother skipping all the rest.
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Posted - 2008.07.21 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kai Zion
Anyways, my dear Stitcher, please don't lump one person in with the next when the common ground we share is simply that there were points of the novel that disappointed us.
Yeah, I'm just playing devil's advocate. In truth, there were moments that had me raising an eyebrow as well, but I hate to see a thread that's all negative and no positive, so I'm fighting the positive corner.
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Kai Zion
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Posted - 2008.07.21 15:18:00 -
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You're in the position I'm normally in, godspeed!
Seriously though, I'm a believer in balance, and I think a truly balanced perspective would see that the novel had both strong and weak points. Many of the weak points too, are not the fault of the author and are a symptom of ongoing storytelling that has been going on for well...goodness me...half a decade. It's commendable that so many loose ends have been collected together and begun to be wrapped up.
Nothing you've said here or on IGS has failed to impress Stitch, so keep it up. I too think that an all-negative response is close-minded. <3
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Posted - 2008.07.21 17:58:00 -
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No, it is not all negative, by far. I find it pretty interesting when it comes to a chapter with none of the SuperHeroes around (like the story of the cargo and the clone). Though it does go a bit far even there. I mean, ignoring Jamyl Sarum speakign to people's minds, true that podpilots know ships better than anyone else... but you don't know that it has a leak that will destroy the whole ship on the exterior of the hull "just by impression". It was things like that that took away all the credibility in the story.
Not to mention timespans. We all agree that things took place too quickly in-game in order to don't keep players from playing, and still the news were spread around for more than 10 hours. Yet, according to the novel, the whole invasion of the Gallente, and Amarr took place in little more than an hour... that is simply physically impossible. And has no reason for it. If you are going to keep it hurried up, use the timeline in the game which was very quick, don't speed it even more.
Don't know, the story was well written, but it has so many big bad points that make the whole of it look worse than it is in truth. At least to me, but I've never liked SuperHeroes. ;)
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Posted - 2008.07.21 18:34:00 -
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I apologize if it seems I was being completely negative, or trying to tear it to shreds. It has it's moments, but it really can be described as follows. You one day see a very attractive face, in side profile, that completely gets your attention. Then they turn, and have a whole bunch of disgusting gunk on their face that they just didn't bother to clean off. They know it's there, hell, they are comfortable with it. My point is, it is hard to fall in love with a face that just could have used a good washing. Which is what the case feels like here with the novel. It has a lot of areas that just needed to be cleaned up, or rethought. Yes, the whole thing wasn't bad. But allowing certain things to remain there unpolished, or re-written, have taken away from it a good deal.
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Posted - 2008.07.22 07:54:00 -
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Not to mention the odd things like a Race that cannot even see normal cloaked objects has no problem whatÆs so ever in spotting extra advance Jove cloaked objects. ItÆs all the stuff like that I didnÆt like.
Backwards engineering 20,000 year old technology thatÆs far beyond anything you have ever seen and its made of and useÆs stuff you know nothing about. Next to impossible in its self but they did it in a matter of hours if that!! ThatÆs like a Caveman backwards engineering a quad core Intel computer.
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Posted - 2008.07.22 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
Backwards engineering 20,000 year old technology thatÆs far beyond anything you have ever seen and its made of and useÆs stuff you know nothing about. Next to impossible in its self but they did it in a matter of hours if that!! ThatÆs like a Caveman backwards engineering a quad core Intel computer.
They didn't reverse-engineer it though. They just installed it and turned it on.
Any monkey an press the big red button.
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Sepherim
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.22 15:18:00 -
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No, Stitcher, the novel sais they do reverse ingeneer it before installing it and using it. So fear Amarr, people, we will soon have hundreds of those cannons!
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Posted - 2008.07.22 16:29:00 -
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Hundreds of those cannons and no ammo. At least untill they raid those drones with all that ammo.
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Posted - 2008.07.22 16:40:00 -
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Who needs guns when you have superluminal telepathy!
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Sepherim
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Posted - 2008.07.22 17:19:00 -
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Yes, but we will have the ammo sometime in the next... let me see, normal thing would require say 100 years of investigation, plus funding, plus secrecy... so in about thirty minutes now! And we will fire it from afar with special telepatic objects thatreact to Jamyl's thoughts, so she will actually conquer the whole universe in about... two days. Yay!
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Posted - 2008.07.22 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sepherim
No, Stitcher, the novel sais they do reverse ingeneer it before installing it and using it. So fear Amarr, people, we will soon have hundreds of those cannons!
Only partially. They didn't take it to pieces, analyze it, learn the basic operating principles and put it back together again - what they did was the equivalent of setting it up without reading the manual.
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Sepherim
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Posted - 2008.07.23 03:20:00 -
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As I read it, drones did dismount it, learn what each piece does, and place it back.
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Posted - 2008.07.23 05:06:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 23/07/2008 05:10:18
ôOnly partially. They didn't take it to pieces, analyze it, learn the basic operating principles and put it back together again - what they did was the equivalent of setting it up without reading the manual.ö
Which should take years if not much longer. They are dealing with a technology they know nothing about using principles and fuel they know nothing about. ItÆs hard enough to get Mac hardware to work on a PC both from the year 2000. Yet alone getting hardware to work thatÆs 20,000 years age difference. Everything from the socket shape, programming language, power requirements would be totally different.
You know how hard it is to get 1980Æs computer equipment and programs working on todayÆs PCÆs. Now imagine a 20,000 year gap with equipment from a different planet with next to no link to each other.
To me it was the same as sticking a Eve Hybrid turret on todayÆs fighter jets or battleships. Not doable in a short timeframe.
They shouldnÆt even have been able to see it in the first. Did I miss it? Did they explain how the Amarr could see the Jove cloaked terrain Weapons. What we should have had was a Chronicle at least 1 year ago about the artefact find. Then in the book we see the end results of research into it.
More to the point the Jove know about the weapons so why didnÆt they use them against the Amarr battle all those years ago? Why did they leave them in space for anyone to find?
I do like the way the weapon was found and used just the timeframe was to compressed for my liking.
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Posted - 2008.07.23 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 23/07/2008 12:37:12
Originally by: Pottsey
Which should take years if not much longer. They are dealing with a technology they know nothing about using principles and fuel they know nothing about. ItÆs hard enough to get Mac hardware to work on a PC both from the year 2000. Yet alone getting hardware to work thatÆs 20,000 years age difference. Everything from the socket shape, programming language, power requirements would be totally different.
Oh? who said anything about programming language? If the trigger mechanism was just a certain voltage applied through a certain receptor, then programming language would be unnecessary - you could just wire it up to a trigger mechanism built and programmed by your own people. If the entire thing was solid-state electronics, then you wouldn't need to write any software for it at all.
Incompatible plug sockets? The EVE world is one of nanotechnology. Creating an appropriate power adapter of the correct size and shape would be the work of seconds with the right CAD/CAM tools.
Anyone with a decent brain can begin to use technology that they don't understand. I myself haven't the faintest idea how my mobile phone works, but I daresay that I could take it apart (I'm not going to, because I like having a valid warranty) and at least identify each module within it, especially because I have a vague idea of what it's supposed to do.
Those Amarr scientists were working from a basic knowledge of what the object had to do. They didn't need to understand how each component of the system worked, or how to operate it - they only needed to understand "this is a power conduit, this is a control unit, this handles a reaction of some description..."
Mass production or imitation of the technology, I agree, would take years of dedicated research, but what I gathered from the book was that the weapon was a modular system. All they needed to do was figure out which order to hook the modules up in, and how much power it required. Maybe it didn't need power at all - maybe all the energy came from its fuel source and literally all they needed to do was figure out where to plug in a fuel cell and how to trigger it.
Now, I'm not saying that a caveman could work my DVD player, but I daresay Sir Isaac Newton could have figured out how to turn on my television if he knew that it could be turned on.
Besides, past a certain threshold, operating principles aren't as much of a problem. We're past the point where any moderately advanced technology looks like magic to us - our imagination is able to grasp the idea of hyper-advanced technology. The same would be true of the Amarr. Their scientists would know full well that they were dealing with an advanced weapons system, especially given that they were apparently given a description of what it did by Lady Sarum first. That would massively expedite their efforts to figure out how to make it work.
I agree, they worked fast, but it didn't strike me as being unrealistically so.
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Uilliam Nebel
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Posted - 2008.07.29 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
I agree, they worked fast, but it didn't strike me as being unrealistically so.
I after thinking on it agree, this is the divide between technology development and application in my mind. For instance, take a domain specific / mark up language like HTML. It is non-Turing complete, so it is mainly for giving a browser specific pre-set instructions to display a static content page. Still though, to dive into it's internals for extensive modification or complete understanding is a moderate task for many web application developers. While an average computer user can pick up the basics in a few hours and make a web page with it in the first day. Why? Because the average user is writing down what should happen in HTML, not how. The how has all ready been handled by the internals of HTML and the browser rendering.
In this case, as what was supposed to happen was known, a reverse engineering process can move quite fast. Also given that a very advanced engineering algorithm was being used by a quantum based computer? The fact that it took a few hours, points to a problem of near unimaginable complexity. The difference between a modern day digital computer, and what most projections say a relatively simple quantum computer are capable of is the difference between a single fire cracker and the bing bang.
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Posted - 2008.08.01 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Arcon Telf
Has anyone in the US had any luck procuring the book using traditional means (i.e. Amazon US, B&N, Borders, etc.)?
Mine was just delivered from the US amazon page. It took a few weeks, but I got it via Amazon Prime with free 2 day shipping.
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Remus Navillum
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Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.02 04:43:00 -
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Damnit, I need to get around to ordering this book.
I found a 6 page sample excerpt that goes as far as Heth's takeover of the Caldari Constructions plant, and I'll admit, I was really wowed. Tony has really matured as a writer since Theodicy, which was also really good.
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Sexiest Beast
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Posted - 2008.08.02 08:29:00 -
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Is it me or is there an error on page 172 of the hardback edition ?
Jamyl Saturn ?
Everywhere else she is refered to as Jamyl Sarum but the CONCORD guys call her Jamyl Saturn. Im not up on the backstory but this kinda weirded me out a little.
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Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.08.02 08:54:00 -
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With all the other typeing errors in the book I would assume that one is also just an error.
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Community for Justice
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Posted - 2008.08.11 13:34:00 -
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Well, I finally got around to finish reading the book and I have to say it was a very compelling piece of fiction, all in all. Definitely more than just a "fanfic", but it's hard for me to judge objectively since I'm involved in the EVE lore since a long time.
All the mentions of ship classes and ship names are probably not as meaningful, when you can't actually visualize what it really looks like.
Other than that, it was very solid storytelling, though I wish there were fewer "deus ex machina" elements (e.g. sarum's mystical powers destroying a titan backed fleet on it's own is really hard to justify in my mindset). Also the Amarr really seemed very one-dimensional, as others already have pointed out.
Despite that it's definitely an entertaining read, I could hardly put the book down when I really got into it. Political drama, moral implications of the "immortality" granted to the cloned elite warriors, and the dark, merciless universe that we all know really translated well into the book.
EVE is finally showing some progress in it's storyline, and I for one am very happy how this book sets the stage for some more refined RP in the game.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
With all the other typeing errors in the book I would assume that one is also just an error.
Yeah, I did enjoy the three separate instances of somebody being called "Mr. Lord"
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Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.15 22:04:00 -
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I guess I could ask here...I wasn't a fan of Jamyl and the psychic powers thing, but could there be a precident for certian pseudo-science stuff in the form of the Intaki rebirth process? (Personality passed from a dying person to a newborn child through some cerremony)
It's established whether the technological Rebirth present in modern Eve is truely the same thing as traditional Rebirth, nor whether traditonal Rebirth is truely only an article of faith of if it's really real. But it's possibly the closest documented thing in pre-existing PF.
The Broker, the other big deus ex machina, I didn't much like either...I think it was interesting him being there as a technologicaly-created 'deus' and I bought it a little better when we fianly get in his head to know the real reason he's doing what he does but I kinda wish the "conspiracy theory" side of events was more just that. Anyone agree that he's out of the picture now though, or will he find a way to cure himself now that Insorium is in the open?
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Panta-Rhei
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.15 22:16:00 -
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It is doubtful that the Broker will survive much longer. His clones detoriate at a very fast rate.
Insorum would be hard to obtain for him. Since any Insorum he may receive through a connection to the elders, will lose its effectiveness within a few days after it has been produced.
Also the Broker was infected by a disease that has effects much like Vitoc-withdrawal, but it is not caused by Vitoc.
If he would be able, to get his hands on the original formula, then he may be able to develop a cure for his condition. But the standard Insorum stuff is unlikely to help him.
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Posted - 2008.08.16 00:11:00 -
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I was thinking more along the lines of "Stand on a planet the Minmatar are attacking".
I kinda think the implication in the book is that the clone we saw at the end was his last but it's ambiguious.
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The Crane Family
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Posted - 2008.08.29 16:23:00 -
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I read the book twice, and frankly, I'm disappointed.
It's not that it's a bad read all-in-all, it does have pace, and it does some nice things. The biggest problem is that of a lack of a good editor. Someone who could have told the author to go back and do things differently.
To me, all the characters remain flat. There's no progression or even amicability in any of them. They also act and talk the same. So much so that it was sometimes difficult to keep them apart.
But the biggest flaw is the ludicrous use of various Deus ex Machina in the book. The broker is even a walking and talking Deus ex Machina. He's way beyond believable. The same goes for Jamyl and the Elders. They don't move the plot along, they seem to dictate all events and occurences. It's plain frustrating to read about them, and for mean broke all willingness for suspension of disbelieve.
Then there are the huge plot holes all over the place, in part created by these Deus ex Machina as well. Not to mention the utter stupidity of most (if not all) of the cast. They seem to be determined to walk into all traps setup for them. Traps an attentative reader will see coming half a book ago, or are even explain in detail to the reader.
Nope, not a good book. Interesting to read from a RP point of view, but pretty poor for all other points of view.
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I enjoyed the book very much, easy read and fluent text. I especially enjoyed the parts dealing with Falek/Marius' relationship with Gear and the events concerning rest of the crew of the Retford. Sure the book had some potholes and what not but all in all I liked the text - it was very entertaining, even recommended it to a few friends of mine not familiar with EVE. It explained quite nicely some basic stuff for the average reader whom have no prior experience with EVE and at the same tiem it didn't bore me out. Good book in my oppinion, money well spent. Hope we see more EVE novels in the future.
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The book was a fun read. But after about the fifth high-brow political speech done in exactly the same tone of voice and exactly the same idioms (even though you would think Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar, and Amarr would think differently), it started to get stale. While the author knows how to use English, it seemed there was little attempt to differentiate characters: Keitan Yun, Lt. Corvin, Falek/Marius, and Otro Gariushi seemed more like avatars of one being rather than individuals. Other characters merged in similar clusters so that moving between any of the story lines it didn't really feel like the characters were going away.
The plot was really the fun part, and it was what kept the pages turning for me. Lord knows I didn't like where some of it went, but overall it made for an adequate reflection on the pressing social and political issues of our modern planet Earth.
I bumped into quite a few typos and spelling errors that made me wonder if anyone had bothered to beta-test the book before publication, such as misspellings of proper names known in-game. It also made me wonder whether Tony Gonzales plays the game, but I admit I would be happier not knowing the answer to that question. And if you're reading this, congratulations on your first, and I hope you get to take more time writing the next one.
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I'll drink to that. The next step for TonyG is definitely to learn how to right different characters with different speech patterns and idiosyncrasies.
Also, to get an editor who isn't drastically lazy when it comes to typos and inconsistency checks.
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