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ManofFace Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.05 00:51:00 - [1] I have been for the past few weeks having issues with instant undockers in the system. I have tried the whole scan down and find their spots but they just end up changing the spots every few seconds. This is most certainly a problem with a particular group of isk farmers as they are definately running missions with it. I suspect possibly running a macro but I am not sure how they would get that complex an action to work. Anyone have any luck in their systems popping macro mission runners (mainly for couriers) to keep them from instant warping from undock?
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.05.05 01:34:00 - [2] Go after them on the gate... yes/no? ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
ManofFace Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.05 01:43:00 - [3] yeah from everything i am seeing so far it appears the only way to get them as they are exiting gates. of course this only really works with the haulers . Oh well. I know that blocking up the undock point is a eula violation, and that it seems any obstructions don't appear to work anymore. Any help is a good thing at this point cause these macros got to die :)
Guillome Renard Gallente Access Services	Posted - 2008.05.05 01:53:00 - [4] Originally by: ManofFace yeah from everything i am seeing so far it appears the only way to get them as they are exiting gates. of course this only really works with the haulers . Oh well. I know that blocking up the undock point is a eula violation, and that it seems any obstructions don't appear to work anymore. Any help is a good thing at this point cause these macros got to die :) Maybe I don't know how macros work, but if they are botting have you tried war dec + warp scram? If they're afk they won't re-dock, if you war-dec the sentries/CONCORD become a nonissue. Then you can pin them down and pop them as they come out? -Guillome Renard, ACCS -------------------------------------------------- Rational problem solving since 03/08! Ask me about subcontracted production and hauling!
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.05.05 01:59:00 - [5] Originally by: Guillome Renard Originally by: ManofFace yeah from everything i am seeing so far it appears the only way to get them as they are exiting gates. of course this only really works with the haulers . Oh well. I know that blocking up the undock point is a eula violation, and that it seems any obstructions don't appear to work anymore. Any help is a good thing at this point cause these macros got to die :) Maybe I don't know how macros work, but if they are botting have you tried war dec + warp scram? If they're afk they won't re-dock, if you war-dec the sentries/CONCORD become a nonissue. Then you can pin them down and pop them as they come out? good points and i have tried this, the problem is that they fly in NPC corps which makes useing an interceptor to get them rather expensive due to sentry guns. Really the only good way to fight instant undockers is to send in a petition and hope the GMs come in and ban them. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.05.05 02:19:00 - [6] Sit on warp in point (preferably at gates or back to the agent station) with smartbomb ships and use the tactical overlay to time smartbomb activations. Of course , this leaves you exposed and the cap drain from smartbombs makes sentry tanking difficult. Convo me to arrange larger camps with other farmer killers. I'm curious , most farmers we dealt with take a very long time to adapt as they do not care much for losses. They'd keep the same instaundocks for weeks. A funnier option (not compatible with smartbombing undocks) is to have some MWDing frigates in a 500m orbit on the undock path , to try and bump haulers before they jump into warp. Those not perfectly aligned will be sent flying out of control.
Guillome Renard Gallente Access Services	Posted - 2008.05.05 02:27:00 - [7] Originally by: Lithalnas good points and i have tried this, the problem is that they fly in NPC corps which makes useing an interceptor to get them rather expensive due to sentry guns. Really the only good way to fight instant undockers is to send in a petition and hope the GMs come in and ban them. Ouch. Yeah, there needs to be a way to declare war on a single person, which being in an NPC corp wouldn't protect you from. That'd do it. -Guillome Renard, ACCS -------------------------------------------------- Rational problem solving since 03/08! Ask me about subcontracted production and hauling!
Dario Wall Caldari Black Legion Industries	Posted - 2008.05.05 04:10:00 - [8] Originally by: Lithalnas good points and i have tried this, the problem is that they fly in NPC corps which makes useing an interceptor to get them rather expensive due to sentry guns. Really the only good way to fight instant undockers is to send in a petition and hope the GMs come in and ban them. If you have any Minmatar AF pilots, a remote repped, remote sensor boosters Jag might be able to catch them in time. I have insta undock bookmarks myself, and unless you are aligned just right, you still have a second or two where you can be caught.
Radcjk Caldari Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.05.05 04:20:00 - [9] On grid: Use an interceptor and stay 150 off the station / guns the whole time. If you miss him once, he'll likely be back, just keep moving to the spot or its general area. They'll spend time aligning and you can get on them. If they arent afk flying put a second ship on station..they can die to him or warp off and die to you. Atrox does this all the time and it works well. off grid: Probes. Most insta undocks don't go very far. Some just off grid, some for several grid, but very rarely further than 15 or 20 thousand kilometers. Let it undock, drop the probe, count to ten-fifteen, and scan for it. You may not find it right on every time, but when they insta warp and find you in their off grid undock, its usually too late for them to do anything until a fast ship can set a new one.
Speaker Dead	Posted - 2008.05.05 04:28:00 - [10] ROFL, I realize this is a stretch for you, but did it ever occur to you that people might actually be playing the game???? I know it's shocking...but some people actually like playing it somewhat differently than you.....
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.05.05 05:00:00 - [11] Originally by: Speaker Dead ROFL, I realize this is a stretch for you, but did it ever occur to you that people might actually be playing the game???? I know it's shocking...but some people actually like playing it somewhat differently than you..... it has actually been stated multiple times by both independent investigators and CCP that macro hauller can be partly all the way to fully automated. and if you dont believe me, search youtube for "eve bot" and you will find all kinds of videos of bots actually running. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.05.05 09:33:00 - [12] From what people have been saying in this thread is it not allowed to have an instant undock? Just checking what do you mean by instant undock? Don't wanna get confused here.
sliver 0xD exiles.	Posted - 2008.05.05 09:37:00 - [13] i use a broadsword to kill them. its acutaly funny to see they are all mindless but still with a bit of control off a player. when i warp scramble 1 at the gate it sits still and doesnt move :) its like its program has been interupted and it doesnt know the next step. but some also stay cloaked longer when they know your shooting them. they try to hide a bit. totaly pointless ofcourse. and after shooting most of them they totaly stop :P ive also had a macro buy its 12 expander II back from me :) i saw him dock in station and imidiatly undocked my broadswoard to get my 12 expanders II back again :P just pricless :P --- Somebody needs a hug!
sliver 0xD exiles.	Posted - 2008.05.05 09:45:00 - [14] Originally by: Lithalnas and if you dont believe me, search youtube for "eve bot" and you will find all kinds of videos of bots actually running. i think you will find that thats a scam :P ive seen this with other games also. what happens is you download the app. you fill in your account details. and you lose your account. and becouse you made a illigal move ccp will ban you if you complain :) --- Somebody needs a hug!
Cruthensis Gallente Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.05.05 11:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Speaker Dead ROFL, I realize this is a stretch for you, but did it ever occur to you that people might actually be playing the game???? I know it's shocking...but some people actually like playing it somewhat differently than you..... Yeah I tried that whole "playing 23/7" thing for a few days, but it made my head hurt and the drugs made my **** turn green. But I guess some people are into that. OR they're actually account sharing ISK farmers as the OP suspects. OP: take a screeny - post it here? Also "Speaker Dead". What an interesting name. Could you tell us what inspired it, or was it randomly selected from a dictionary? I've noticed such names are all the rage in NPC corp.
sliver 0xD exiles.	Posted - 2008.05.05 14:28:00 - [16] Originally by: Cruthensis Originally by: Speaker Dead ROFL, I realize this is a stretch for you, but did it ever occur to you that people might actually be playing the game???? I know it's shocking...but some people actually like playing it somewhat differently than you..... Yeah I tried that whole "playing 23/7" thing for a few days, but it made my head hurt and the drugs made my **** turn green. But I guess some people are into that. OR they're actually account sharing ISK farmers as the OP suspects. OP: take a screeny - post it here? Also "Speaker Dead". What an interesting name. Could you tell us what inspired it, or was it randomly selected from a dictionary? I've noticed such names are all the rage in NPC corp. and then we have to report them becouse becouse ccp thinks that will help us all. while you just look in log for players that are 23/7 all week actively moveing a hauler around :P how hard can it be :P *ps do not try to report them. i can tell u already they are investigateing the isue. <CLOSE> --- Somebody needs a hug!
Blood Daemon Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.05 15:51:00 - [17] If they isnta undock to a spot from the station (not to a gate etc..), watch them for awhile and if they stick on your ovrview for atleast 2-3 seconds before they disspear note thier location.. and slow boat/get a fast frigate an meet that spot.. then sit an wait.. ------------------ Originally by: Treelox CCP, keep your pimp hand strong!!!!
Illentianne	Posted - 2008.05.05 15:58:00 - [18] One thing might keep in mind is that some Stargates are directly in the path of the exits of some stations. I myself saw some exit the station and instantly warp to the gate directly aligned with the station exit.
Yakoff Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2008.05.05 17:08:00 - [19] Edited by: Yakoff on 05/05/2008 17:11:46 Originally by: sliver 0xD i use a broadsword to kill them. ... but some also stay cloaked longer when they know your shooting them. they try to hide a bit. totaly pointless ofcourse. and after shooting most of them they totaly stop :P ive also had a macro buy its 12 expander II back from me :) i saw him dock in station and imidiatly undocked my broadswoard to get my 12 expanders II back again :P just pricless :P wtb ship and guns that can shoot ship that is still in fact cloaked. ___ It deosnt mttaer waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, olny taht the frist and lsat leettr be in the rghit pclae. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef.
Kusha'an Gallente Equinox Industrial Co.	Posted - 2008.05.05 18:30:00 - [20] Originally by: Cruthensis Also "Speaker Dead". What an interesting name. Could you tell us what inspired it, or was it randomly selected from a dictionary? I've noticed such names are all the rage in NPC corp. You've never read Ender's Game? Drop what you're doing and go get that book. ---- What part of "shorn't" do you not understand?
MilowFV Echo Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.05.05 23:13:00 - [21] I was just sitting here trying to recall what book I saw that from, but then I got to the end and saw your post thanks for reminding me. Good book
ceyriot Induseng Enterprises R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.06 01:38:00 - [22] Originally by: Yakoff Edited by: Yakoff on 05/05/2008 17:11:46 Originally by: sliver 0xD i use a broadsword to kill them. ... but some also stay cloaked longer when they know your shooting them. they try to hide a bit. totaly pointless ofcourse. and after shooting most of them they totaly stop :P ive also had a macro buy its 12 expander II back from me :) i saw him dock in station and imidiatly undocked my broadswoard to get my 12 expanders II back again :P just pricless :P wtb ship and guns that can shoot ship that is still in fact cloaked. I've heard a Titan can...as long as it isn't the cloak after jump, pop you go! Faction Store
Titan Pilot	Posted - 2008.05.06 03:47:00 - [23] Probe and BM all the hits and then just cycle them with a ceptor. If you cant find them, then you are doing something wrong or your skills suck. Trust me. Probing is so stupidly easy now...
Speaker Dead	Posted - 2008.05.06 04:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Kusha'an Originally by: Cruthensis Also "Speaker Dead". What an interesting name. Could you tell us what inspired it, or was it randomly selected from a dictionary? I've noticed such names are all the rage in NPC corp. You've never read Ender's Game? Drop what you're doing and go get that book. Well we do have some intelligence in the forum... I've been using some form of Ender since before the Internet was popular...lol Trouble is many forms of his name get taken up quickly in any online game. And I wasn't saying they are not Macros, I simply stated that not everyone that mission runs and mines is a macroer. And being a programmer I can tell you for certain that they could make a macro do anything, including random jumps/routes. Not sure I see the sense in it though, How much actual cash could they actually be making?
Agor Dirdonen	Posted - 2008.05.06 10:15:00 - [25] Edited by: Agor Dirdonen on 06/05/2008 10:15:52 Originally by: Lithalnas good points and i have tried this, the problem is that they fly in NPC corps which makes useing an interceptor to get them rather expensive due to sentry guns. Use two ships, one who takes the agro from the sentry by shooting the station or something else. This gives a fast locking ship like an interceptor time to hold the target in place long enough till 1) tanking ship can lock the target and scramble/shoot it 2) sentries switch target and go after the interceptor As soon as you get confirmation from the tanking ship that he has a lock on the target, warp the interceptor out. Requires a bit of timing and organization but can be done.
Spectre3353 Gallente Joint Strike Squad	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:15:00 - [26] Originally by: Kusha'an Originally by: Cruthensis Also "Speaker Dead". What an interesting name. Could you tell us what inspired it, or was it randomly selected from a dictionary? I've noticed such names are all the rage in NPC corp. You've never read Ender's Game? Drop what you're doing and go get that book. Best book ever. ----- http://evenewb.blogspot.com/
ManofFace Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.06 17:08:00 - [27] Sorry for the long delay in my response. Real life can be a pain sometimes. I have already tried the fast locking technique (not with a inty yet, that is certainly worth a shot). Gate camping is definitely a winner, scan probing works just my skills blow at it right now. I have also tried bumping as they exit but that is very difficult to time. I will give all these a shot.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.05.06 17:55:00 - [28] Originally by: Cruthensis Originally by: Speaker Dead ROFL, I realize this is a stretch for you, but did it ever occur to you that people might actually be playing the game???? I know it's shocking...but some people actually like playing it somewhat differently than you..... Yeah I tried that whole "playing 23/7" thing for a few days, but it made my head hurt and the drugs made my **** turn green. But I guess some people are into that. OR they're actually account sharing ISK farmers as the OP suspects. OP: take a screeny - post it here? Also "Speaker Dead". What an interesting name. Could you tell us what inspired it, or was it randomly selected from a dictionary? I've noticed such names are all the rage in NPC corp. all i can say is Internet spaceship game + popular book about pwnage and spaceships and what the hell is a chainsaw plankton
Johsua Yoltar Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.07 01:45:00 - [29] you.. catch them.. maybe put warp disruptor bubble 50km from gate? insta ****s all them buggas
Joe Starbreaker Smoking Hillbillys Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.07 04:47:00 - [30] Originally by: Dheorl Just checking what do you mean by instant undock? Don't wanna get confused here. An insta-undock is an off-grid bookmark in a direct line from a station in the undocking direction. It is so-called because when you undock, you are moving at full speed in that direction. You can order the ship to warp to the bookmark, thus almost instantly entering warp. There will be no time in which enemy ships can lock you, as you go directly from the invulnerability period to warp.

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