I don't often post in the forums. The only reason I don't is because I continue to hope that the makers of this game will deliver on a very old promise. Which they don't AND more than likely will not. Oh, yes, they do provide CQ. HaHa. Let's pump out bigger and badder ships to kill each other with! There's a win! You can pump out a CQ but you can't pump out Walking in Stations?

They delivered WIS, and it turned out to be a pathetic waste of resources, and so, that many people unsubscribed, that World of Darkness was put on backburner indefinitelly cos the devs couldnt be paid.

WIS = Good Riddance

Basically CCP blew it by neglecting space (eve) because of walking in stations and making CQ nothing more than a platform for a horrible MT system. Now they're too afraid to approach the subject because last time it blew up in their faces.

You're right though, they did bait some new customers with CQ / WiS which they probably shouldnt have done. Currently WiS lacks the depth the rest of eve has and tbh as soon as I saw the CQ and nex store I stopped looking forward to future development of WiS because I have no faith in CCP ever doing it right. The only content in WiS is space barbie where you have to pay for things that should be included in your subscription payment anyway.

You know that eve is a spaceship game and thats their oldest promise.

Yeah walking in cells wasnt a great start, but ships before hoes right :P

They delivered WIS, and it turned out to be a pathetic waste of resources, and so, that many people unsubscribed, that World of Darkness was put on backburner indefinitelly cos the devs couldnt be paid.

WIS = Good Riddance

Find me one promise where CCP says EVE is meant to be spaceship game and not SciFi simulator.

I love this ppl that wants with lies and false facts that never existed prove their point that does not exists.

CCP also promised that WIS wouldn't take away from the development of EVE.

CCP also promised that WIS wouldn't take away from the development of EVE.

Considering WiS was developed for Eve, your statement is incorrect.

CCP had divided it's development resources to work on DUST514, World Of Darkness and Eve, in that order which basically gave Eve the short end of the stick.

They have zero netcode and they can't render multiple avatars at once. Plus its taken them 5 years to get to this point.

Its not going to happen for years.

Find me one promise where CCP says EVE is meant to be spaceship game and not SciFi simulator.

I love this ppl that wants with lies and false facts that never existed prove their point that does not exists.

[quote=Muad 'dib]You know that eve is a spaceship game and thats their oldest promise.

Yeah walking in cells wasnt a great start, but ships before hoes right :P

if you remove mining ,research, exploration and production ,EVE is FIS only

They have zero netcode and they can't render multiple avatars at once. Plus its taken them 5 years to get to this point.

Its not going to happen for years.

Considering WiS was developed for Eve, your statement is incorrect.

No it's not. Eve is spaceships not Barbies in space.

lol, funny how people post incorrect statements without checking the facts.



The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006.

If the majority of Eve players wanted WiS there wouldn't have been so many cancellations over the summer.

CCP finally got the message. Don't try and confuse them now.

If the majority of Eve players wanted WiS there wouldn't have been so many cancellations over the summer.

CCP finally got the message. Don't try and confuse them now.

Apparently you guys weren't around for the Summer of Rage.

Apparently you guys weren't around for the Summer of Rage.

Please provide links to an official CCP citation that backs-up your assertion that a majority of players wanted WIS.

If the majority of Eve players wanted WiS there wouldn't have been so many cancellations over the summer.

CCP finally got the message. Don't try and confuse them now.

[quote=Doc Fury]
Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forcing participation.

The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006.





Since you obviously only do selective quoting and can't provide links proving me wrong, STFU.

I did not make a statement intended to be perceived by the reader as factual, you did. If I ever do something like that and don't provide any evidence to back it up feel free to call me out on it. I am asking for your evidence. Do you actually have any you can show us?

Either backup your claim with some facts or just admit that you are just making stuff up to lend credence to your position. It's that simple.

Obviously you're lazy or incompetent and I won't be arsed into doing any work for you. Anyway, up in the top right corner of this page is the word 'Archives'. Click it and navigate back to the Summer of 2011 and then back to 2006. Browse the various threads posted during that time.

CCP already did WiS and the playerbase hated it. The playerbase wants CCP to focus on gameplay additions rather then meaningless fluff, which negatively impacts the game.

$70 monocles have spoken.

Ah yes. The summer of whiny bitches.

I was one of the one's shooting down all the faceless alts posting in the farcical comedy known as the 'I quit' thread.

You know... the characters that were at most two days old, had only one post in their history, no standings, no sec status and still in NPC corps. Yup. I well remember those days.

The desperation of the bittervet is a thing to behold, sometimes.

Mr Epeen

I still fail to understand way WiS generates some much hostility.

They are still working on it, so they are still holding on to that promise. And they will deliver on it, when its ready.

Thanks that gave me a chuckle :) I still fail to understand way WiS generates some much hostility; a lot of players, including myself, look forward to a decent implimentation of this; anyone who has played MMOs know that you can have several 100 avitars running around together without the universe imploding.
Admittedly, Captain's quarters is unlikely to draw in new players as it stands, but a proper station enviroment and "mini games" will draw players into Eve as done properly they will feel they can play a game that doesn't require years of experience to get into.

Considering WiS was developed for Eve, your statement is incorrect.

CCP had divided it's development resources to work on DUST514, World Of Darkness and Eve, in that order which basically gave Eve the short end of the stick.

The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006.

And you know that how?

Do you have a source for this? I've seen you claim this; I've seen other people claim the opposite. Thus far I've not seen a single iota of proof for these assertions. Now I recall from an earlier thread you were lambasting people for claiming the opposite. I sincerely hope you can back up your claims.

However, I suspect not. One would think that if the "majority of the player base" wanted it CCP would devote more resources to it. It's not smart business sense to ignore the features the "majority" of your customers want, right?

I'm one of the ones that wants it, but not over the core EVE game.

It's not complicated. CCP ignored Eve to work on Space Barbie for two years. People got fed up paying a subscription fee to beta test the WoD engine and then the leaks coming from inside CCP about their masterplan for microstransactions was the straw that broke the camel's back.

A bunch of people ragequit, CCP flew CSM6 to Iceland to tell them what was going on and now things are back on track. That's why I hate seeing things like the OP asking CCP to change direction now that the game is starting to improve.

Same to you, I haven't seen you provide any 'iota' of proof to back up your statements either. Please link your source stating that the majority of the player base did not want WiS when CCP first previewed Ambulation.

Since you obviously only do selective quoting and can't provide links proving me wrong, STFU.

I haven't seen you provide any 'iota' of proof to back up your statements either. Please link your source stating that the majority of the player base did not want WiS when CCP first previewed Ambulation.

Obviously you're lazy or incompetent and I won't be arsed into doing any work for you.

Most of the mentally challenged that post in here see 'FIS' when viewing the word 'sandbox'.

Strange, but true.

Mr Epeen

if you remove mining ,research, exploration and production ,EVE is FIS only

Because they said so in the thread I told you to go read. (Refer back to post #4) You could skim the dev posts and you would be up to speed.

Yes Mamm or rather Sir! < Could not resist, sorry.

I did not make that claim. Read my post again. Now stop trying to deflect; and please supply the data. I am keen to see what the actual numbers are. Or were you lying because you want something?

Common fallacy: proving non-existence : when an arguer cannot provide the evidence for his claims, he may challenge his opponent to prove it doesn't exist (e.g., prove God doesn't exist; prove UFO's haven't visited earth, etc.). The proof of existence must come from those who make the claims.


Common fallacy: ad hominem: An arguer who uses ad hominem, attacks the person instead of the argument. Whenever an arguer cannot defend his position with evidence, facts or reason, he or she may resort to attacking an opponent either through: labeling, straw man arguments, name calling, offensive remarks and anger.


You cave been asked repeatedly to provide the evidence to backup your claim, and at each turn you attempt to use the above common fallacies to deflect. Perhaps you should pose your statements as opinions in the future to avoid being asked these pesky questions that serve to illustrate you are making stuff up to suit your agenda.

To those voicing concerns this will create tremendous amounts of lag for the players in space, is a waste of resources, etc., please keep in mind that PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to the entire player base and different players enjoy different things. A number of players have asked for something along these lines since launch, and we have an opportunity to invest time in this technology for future projects.

As t0rfi stated in the blog, if this is not something you wish to take part in, you will not be forced to do so. You will still have the option to use the current interface for all station services and will not have to use the out of pod interface.

Heh, don't know what country the two of you live in but according to the 'Free' world country's, a person is innocent until proven guilty. In other words, the burden of proof falls on you to prove I am making statements without suporting evidence, and we have asked you to prove your assertion.

FYI - it's know as 'Argumentum ad hominem', an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it. Obviously this is something you do rather well.

Anyway, you definitely excel at posting a bunch of 'Nada' while beating your chests and stomping your feet.. so no more soup for you. Hope you choke on it since the two of you are incapable of doing a little bit of research.

Heh, don't know what country the two of you live in but according to the 'Free' world country's, a person is innocent until proven guilty. In other words, the burden of proof falls on you to prove I am making false statements.

Do you have a source for this? I've seen you claim this; I've seen other people claim the opposite. Thus far I've not seen a single iota of proof for these assertions. Now I recall from an earlier thread you were lambasting people for claiming the opposite. I sincerely hope you can back up your claims.

However, I suspect not. One would think that if the "majority of the player base" wanted it CCP would devote more resources to it. It's not smart business sense to ignore the features the "majority" of your customers want, right?

I'm one of the ones that wants it, but not over the core EVE game.

Anyway, you definitely excel at posting a bunch of 'Nada' while beating your chests and stomping your feet.. so no more soup for you. Hope you choke on this since the two of you are incapable of doing a little bit of research.

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1469548

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=427556

Funny, in the past 3 years CCP has added a lot of content to this game but hey, keep singing your same ole troll tune that CCP has ignored Eve due to working on WiS.

Do you have a source for this? I've seen you claim this; I've seen other people claim the opposite. Thus far I've not seen a single iota of proof for these assertions. Now I recall from an earlier thread you were lambasting people for claiming the opposite. I sincerely hope you can back up your claims.

However, I suspect not. One would think that if the "majority of the player base" wanted it CCP would devote more resources to it. It's not smart business sense to ignore the features the "majority" of your customers want, right?

I'm one of the ones that wants it, but not over the core EVE game.

Confirming it was just a handful of whiny forum alts that caused the big loss of subscriptions between 6/2011 and 12/2011 (summer of rage) that made Hillmar issue a public apology and CCP to completely change development focus after losing 25% PCU in EVE during that time.

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

I suppose CCP also laid off 20% of its workforce because they just wanted to:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/19/ccp-layoffs-affect-20-of-worldwide-staff-company-focusing-on-e/

None of this had anything whatsoever to do with all the players that un-subbed because they were dissatisfied, or the loss of revenue CCP experienced because of it.


/Troll harder peen, your form lately is lacking, as if you sold your character or something

There was a lot of discontent, for a myriad of reasons... not the least of which was people trolling the forums with blanket (inaccurate) statements such as the ones evident in this thread.

I don't often post in the forums. The only reason I don't is because I continue to hope that the makers of this game will deliver on a very old promise. Which they don't AND more than likely will not. Oh, yes, they do provide CQ. HaHa. Let's pump out bigger and badder ships to kill each other with! There's a win! You can pump out a CQ but you can't pump out Walking in Stations?

I agree 100%. CCP experienced a perfect storm of discontent (dissatisfaction was the word I used) for a myriad of reasons some of which had been building for a long time. I would argue however that "a handful of whiny forum alts" hardly contributed to the loss since supposedly only a fraction of the player base reads the forums. You may have overlooked the sarcasm in my prior post.

Apparently you guys weren't around for the Summer of Rage.