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carl tyrell	Posted - 2008.05.06 11:21:00 - [1] Please make sure that goons do not get any more influence on this game now. I see their they reply with "some people choose to..." This is Bollox, they represent a hazard to the game as a whole. By suciding new players in hi sec they change the way people play and that is not right. CCP should be running the game not these twisted people.
Tom Harry	Posted - 2008.05.06 11:36:00 - [2] Edited by: Tom Harry on 06/05/2008 11:36:22 It's not the suiciding that's the problem. It's the complete and utter verbal and ideological bullcrap they bring with them to everywhere they go. And that's the opinion of an old ore thief.
krowis	Posted - 2008.05.06 12:08:00 - [3] A newbie protect for player 2 weeks in the game that would stop a lot of the goons suciding new players, just a thought
Draygo Korvan Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 12:12:00 - [4] Edited by: Draygo Korvan on 06/05/2008 12:12:48 Hulk pilots are not new players. Especially considering you can't even train mining barges or exhumers on trial accounts (which lasts 14 days). --
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.05.06 12:22:00 - [5] Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 06/05/2008 12:22:56 Cry more, carebear. At the end of the day, those elected won't be running the game, they'll merely be advising it. And even then, some of the Goons running aren't idiots, so maybe they'll do a decent job at it.
Killer Kelly Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.06 13:06:00 - [6] The higher up GOONS are smart dudes.
Sparkinator Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.05.06 13:13:00 - [7] Originally by: Killer Kelly The higher up GOONS are smart dudes. You can be smart and have your messed up views turn you into an ass-hat, along with making you look foolish. Their ideology is ********, and has shown utter demise in the long run throughout history. Their higher-ups represent them as a whole, and bring that ideology to the CSM with them. Everything they say is just the usual defense for their beliefs, even though they are wrong. And until I played this game, I didn't think a belief could be wrong.
PartyPopper GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 13:36:00 - [8] Originally by: Sparkinator And until I played this game, I didn't think a belief could be wrong. Goons succeed where mainstream politics, organised religion, and world history have failed. We are good.
wamingo Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:24:00 - [9] Why don't you just let people read the goon csm candiates threads and let them decide for themselves? They don't seem asshatterylike to me, at all. IMO goons have been the frontrunners for change which this game direly needs, believe it or not. Goons suicide ganking is a message, to you and ccp, showing you how unsecure high sec space is and how silly the whole insurance thing is. If you disapprove of suicide ganking, don't blame goons - it's ccp's fault that it's even possible, and if it takes a jihadswarm to show you that then that's what goons will do. And for all their faults, their influence on the game gives them a strong voice which is what we, the community, really needs - if you want changes. Goons are the best chance we have of averting the POS-spam. Goons are the best chance of adverting Capitals-online. Goons are the best chance of reducing veteran elitism. Goons are the best chance of fixing 0.0 mechanics, by far, no contest. Period. In the end though I don't believe these csm's will have much influence on the development of the game so not sure why I bother really. Nice drama magnet though.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 18:15:00 - [10] Originally by: carl tyrell Please make sure that goons do not get any more influence on this game now. I see their they reply with "some people choose to..." This is Bollox, they represent a hazard to the game as a whole. By suciding new players in hi sec they change the way people play and that is not right. CCP should be running the game not these twisted people. I came here to quote a post containing a complaint of discrimination but closing with "You people". http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])

Noghri ViR GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:58:00 - [11] Originally by: wamingo Why don't you just let people read the goon csm candiates threads and let them decide for themselves? They don't seem asshatterylike to me, at all. IMO goons have been the frontrunners for change which this game direly needs, believe it or not. Goons suicide ganking is a message, to you and ccp, showing you how unsecure high sec space is and how silly the whole insurance thing is. If you disapprove of suicide ganking, don't blame goons - it's ccp's fault that it's even possible, and if it takes a jihadswarm to show you that then that's what goons will do. And for all their faults, their influence on the game gives them a strong voice which is what we, the community, really needs - if you want changes. Goons are the best chance we have of averting the POS-spam. Goons are the best chance of adverting Capitals-online. Goons are the best chance of reducing veteran elitism. Goons are the best chance of fixing 0.0 mechanics, by far, no contest. Period. In the end though I don't believe these csm's will have much influence on the development of the game so not sure why I bother really. Nice drama magnet though. Thank you for this well thought out and informed post. I find it amazing how people can generalize all 3000-4000 members based upon the actions of a handful.
Re Mi Caldari Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:09:00 - [12] I wouldn't mind Goons winning if they were still entertaining. However Goon humor standards have slipped tremendously. Goons aren't electable as a result.
carl tyrell	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:37:00 - [13] Edited by: carl tyrell on 06/05/2008 22:38:21 Quote: Why don't you just let people read the goon csm candiates threads and let them decide for themselves? Why? cause they lie and scam like they always have done. Any action reflects the corporation/alliance as a whole. And this "message" they are sending accomplishes what?, as CCP has their head up their backside and hardly comments the problem. And if they do its working as intended/Within normal gameplay etc etc. We can't really send goons to stop suiciding as they are the ones doing it. They ARE the problem, NOT the solution.
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:45:00 - [14] Since it's pretty obvious you're stuck on one position its probably best you don't vote for anyone. Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Glacielle	Posted - 2008.05.07 00:35:00 - [15] Saying Goonswarm was suicide ganking noobs and miners just to show CCP where the flaws were in the game is completely laughable. They stated several times they were on a "jihad" to force players, particularly miners, to go into low-sec. They have no business trying to force players to play anywhere, and I for one am certainly not going to vote for anyone in their alliance. Doesn't matter how smart they are - they've allied themselves with a bunch of bullies and we don't need that mindset influencing future game development. /signed!
PartyPopper GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.07 01:26:00 - [16] Edited by: PartyPopper on 07/05/2008 01:26:39 Originally by: Glacielle Saying Goonswarm was suicide ganking noobs and miners just to show CCP where the flaws were in the game is completely laughable. They stated several times they were on a "jihad" to force players, particularly miners, to go into low-sec. They have no business trying to force players to play anywhere, and I for one am certainly not going to vote for anyone in their alliance. Doesn't matter how smart they are - they've allied themselves with a bunch of bullies and we don't need that mindset influencing future game development. /signed! yes because during your considerable research on us you discovered that we are always serious about everything that we say, especially on public forums
John Blick	Posted - 2008.05.07 01:41:00 - [17] I'm not a goon and I'd really like your vote :)
Twacey Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.07 14:04:00 - [18] I was going to abstain from this joke of an election, but having read this thread, I shall now vote for the GOON with the most attractive avatar out of spite for the OP. Congratulations.
Jacque Custeau Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2008.05.07 15:14:00 - [19] I voted for a goon because: 1. Time zone: In game events always seem to happen while I am at work, and I want someone from my time zone (US) to bring this issue to the table. This game is influenced far too much by its european playerbase. 2. Fleet fights: The nasty lag, disconnects and other stuff that turn large scale combat into a game of roulette. I am confident that demanding better game performance is going to be the cornerstone of any goon candidate. -------------------
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2008.05.07 19:46:00 - [20] To be honest if Goons (as a whole) want a canidate in, then they are going to get one in. The could probably manage 2 without a whole lot of risk. I don't approve of the way a lot of goons conduct themselves but their game philosophy is spot on. The game should be fun. There should be risks. There should be lulz. That said I won't be voting for them anyway as I have a feeling Goons will be represented with or without my vote. - Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes.

Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.07 20:35:00 - [21] This thread is pretty hurf-blurf.
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.07 20:36:00 - [22] Originally by: Glacielle They stated several times they were on a "jihad" to force players, particularly miners, to go into low-sec. They have no business trying to force players to play anywhere, and I for one am certainly not going to vote for anyone in their alliance. Certainly, one group of players have no business trying to force another group of players to move out of their current location and play the game somewhere else, that would be the action of a bunch of bullies and we certainly don't want that sort of attitude in this game. I presume therefore that you are completely opposed to any form of 0.0 territorial warfare? -----------
Mr Fudd Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.05.07 21:03:00 - [23] Originally by: Scatim Helicon Originally by: Glacielle They stated several times they were on a "jihad" to force players, particularly miners, to go into low-sec. They have no business trying to force players to play anywhere, and I for one am certainly not going to vote for anyone in their alliance. Certainly, one group of players have no business trying to force another group of players to move out of their current location and play the game somewhere else, that would be the action of a bunch of bullies and we certainly don't want that sort of attitude in this game. I presume therefore that you are completely opposed to any form of 0.0 territorial warfare? Don't try to put words in his mouth trying to twist what he said. Goons, bleah...
carl tyrell	Posted - 2008.05.07 22:46:00 - [24] Originally by: PartyPopper yes because during your considerable research on us you discovered that we are always serious about everything that we say, especially on public forums Trying to be ironic? So you're not serious but expect to be taken seriously? You are all full of bollox
Vio Geraci Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.07 22:52:00 - [25] You've got a lot of hang ups, man. You should learn to distinguish what is and is not a joke.
Tycho Straun	Posted - 2008.05.07 22:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Vio Geraci You've got a lot of hang ups, man. You should learn to distinguish what is and is not a joke. No Vio, you don't understand Carl is absolutely correct, it is improper to be serious sometimes and not serious other times. Clearly goons don't understand. Everyone knows that "proper" EVE players are either 100% serious or 100% jokesters. Anyone who does both is a threat and FULL OF BOLLUX
Kharm Storm	Posted - 2008.05.08 11:27:00 - [27] I dont really understand why people have hang ups on groups like BOB and the GOONS, maybe its just jealousy of the fact that both these alliances are large and successful. As to Goons recent "Jihadsworm" that was aimed primarily at miners...I had 2 Hulks in system when they showed up but because they were "red" i docked and avoided any issues which is what the game is about being aware of your surroundings and the threats they pose. But on the other hand I do think something needs to be done so that we "carebears" have a place that is safer to do what we want to do and enjoy a good game without having to get involved in all the drama of low sec and 0.0. we should be able to roam high sec without fear of a suicide gank wheather it be in the form of harsher penalties or cheaper but better insrance coverage something needs to be done to keep what i believe to be a large portion of EVE player base happy. blah blah blah
JafoPBCFR	Posted - 2008.05.08 12:05:00 - [28] Originally by: Sakura Nihil Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 06/05/2008 12:22:56 Cry more, carebear. At the end of the day, those elected won't be running the game, they'll merely be advising it. And even then, some of the Goons running aren't idiots, so maybe they'll do a decent job at it. Anyone who has said that statement should be banned from being elected. If somone wants to crebear they should be considerd a player just as much as a pvp player. It morons such as this that make MMORPG get NGE'd
Dr NOe	Posted - 2008.05.08 12:09:00 - [29] Originally by: Noghri ViR Originally by: wamingo Why don't you just let people read the goon csm candiates threads and let them decide for themselves? They don't seem asshatterylike to me, at all. IMO goons have been the frontrunners for change which this game direly needs, believe it or not. Goons suicide ganking is a message, to you and ccp, showing you how unsecure high sec space is and how silly the whole insurance thing is. If you disapprove of suicide ganking, don't blame goons - it's ccp's fault that it's even possible, and if it takes a jihadswarm to show you that then that's what goons will do. And for all their faults, their influence on the game gives them a strong voice which is what we, the community, really needs - if you want changes. Goons are the best chance we have of averting the POS-spam. Goons are the best chance of adverting Capitals-online. Goons are the best chance of reducing veteran elitism. Goons are the best chance of fixing 0.0 mechanics, by far, no contest. Period. In the end though I don't believe these csm's will have much influence on the development of the game so not sure why I bother really. Nice drama magnet though. Thank you for this well thought out and informed post. I find it amazing how people can generalize all 3000-4000 members based upon the actions of a handful. Well the actions of the few often speak for the whole. sorta why you keep those in a corp that are good and the ones that make ya look like jerks ya kickout. One thing a candidate ahould realize is....Ok RL for instance OBAMA!
Errellion Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.08 12:12:00 - [30] Edited by: Errellion on 08/05/2008 12:17:35 Originally by: Killer Kelly The higher up GOONS are smart dudes. As you can see, Darius Johnson is running. He has also posted in this thread, it is extensively known the 'dude' isn't a brightest spark, imagine George Bush having a say in the running of Eve, as we speak he's probably created a pack of accounts to vote for himself and unfortunately that's no joke. Vote as many neutrals (possibly a.k.a's DJ) as possible for an outer experience, perhaps a couple from large alliances to get the views, even a Goon if you must but not him (and limit it to a single Goon). ------------------------------------------

Poluketes GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 14:49:00 - [31] Originally by: Errellion Edited by: Errellion on 08/05/2008 12:17:35 Originally by: Killer Kelly The higher up GOONS are smart dudes. As you can see, Darius Johnson is running. He has also posted in this thread, it is extensively known the 'dude' isn't a brightest spark, imagine George Bush having a say in the running of Eve, as we speak he's probably created a pack of accounts to vote for himself and unfortunately that's no joke. It's "extensively known"? Do you have any evidence to back that up? Have you even read his CSM thread? The man communicates beautifully, doesn't make statements he can't back up with facts, and is ungodly civil towards people throwing unfounded accusations at him. No one's forcing you to vote for him if you've read his positions and disagree with them. But drop the character assassination. Originally by: JafoPBCFR Originally by: Sakura Nihil Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 06/05/2008 12:22:56 Cry more, carebear. At the end of the day, those elected won't be running the game, they'll merely be advising it. And even then, some of the Goons running aren't idiots, so maybe they'll do a decent job at it. Anyone who has said that statement should be banned from being elected. If somone wants to crebear they should be considerd a player just as much as a pvp player. It morons such as this that make MMORPG get NGE'd Industrialists are absolutely as valuable players to EVE as PvP players are. Carebear industrialists aren't really, though, because they're demanding that the basic "cold, harsh" rules of the universe be changed. If you'd only be satisfied if the core nature of the game was substantially different, can you honestly call yourself a true player of that game? It would great if CCP made a carebear server. Then carebears could go play there. Except they'd soon realize that without any PvP players on that server, there'd be no demand for their stuff and they'd make no isk. Then they'd all move back to the normal server and learn to deal with PvP players like every other industrialist and maybe grow out of their entitlement complex. PvP drives the EVE economy. It's not that hard to stay safe if you pay attention. Most industrialists manage just fine. If you want absolute safety, 1.0 space is pretty close. If you want to earn better isk, you have to accept some risk like everyone else. PvP players don't hate industrialists. PvP players only get fed up with carebears who think they should have a right to rake in isk semi-afk with impunity.
Sniggerdly Hater Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.12 16:49:00 - [32] lol are goons now trying to look respectable? what a joke...
Hrin Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.12 17:14:00 - [33] Originally by: S****dly Hater lol are goons now trying to look respectable? what a joke... Snigg aren't goons. They seem to hate us quite a bit actually. You should rename your alt to something more appropriate.
Sniggerdly Hater Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.12 17:28:00 - [34] Edited by: S****dly Hater on 12/05/2008 17:28:45 Originally by: Hrin Originally by: S****dly Hater lol are goons now trying to look respectable? what a joke... Snigg aren't goons. They seem to hate us quite a bit actually. You should rename your alt to something more appropriate. i have no hate towards goons. they can suicide as many mining barges as they want as far as im concerned. do i have to remind people of the constant spam and drivel that comes from goons? the "we are here to destroy eve" and other corrosive statements? you put that on one hand and on the other you put the recent attempt to look like a respectable entity.
Teclis van'Dreike Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.12 17:34:00 - [35] Originally by: S****dly Hater Edited by: S****dly Hater on 12/05/2008 17:28:45 Originally by: Hrin Originally by: S****dly Hater lol are goons now trying to look respectable? what a joke... Snigg aren't goons. They seem to hate us quite a bit actually. You should rename your alt to something more appropriate. i have no hate towards goons. they can suicide as many mining barges as they want as far as im concerned. do i have to remind people of the constant spam and drivel that comes from goons? the "we are here to destroy eve" and other corrosive statements? you put that on one hand and on the other you put the recent attempt to look like a respectable entity. Absolutely. Goons also crossed the streams, hacked the Gibson, and Darius JOHNSON is the final cylon. ~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Hrin Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.12 17:35:00 - [36] Originally by: Teclis van'Dreike Originally by: S****dly Hater Edited by: S****dly Hater on 12/05/2008 17:28:45 Originally by: Hrin Originally by: S****dly Hater lol are goons now trying to look respectable? what a joke... Snigg aren't goons. They seem to hate us quite a bit actually. You should rename your alt to something more appropriate. i have no hate towards goons. they can suicide as many mining barges as they want as far as im concerned. do i have to remind people of the constant spam and drivel that comes from goons? the "we are here to destroy eve" and other corrosive statements? you put that on one hand and on the other you put the recent attempt to look like a respectable entity. Absolutely. Goons also crossed the streams, hacked the Gibson, and Darius JOHNSON is the final cylon. USE SPOILER TAGS AFSDMVP'ONMVAINGVR;VBSDV46UDFH
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.12 17:54:00 - [37] Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 12/05/2008 17:56:08 Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 12/05/2008 17:55:06 Originally by: S****dly Hater Edited by: S****dly Hater on 12/05/2008 17:28:45 Originally by: Hrin Originally by: S****dly Hater lol are goons now trying to look respectable? what a joke... Snigg aren't goons. They seem to hate us quite a bit actually. You should rename your alt to something more appropriate. i have no hate towards goons. they can suicide as many mining barges as they want as far as im concerned. do i have to remind people of the constant spam and drivel that comes from goons? the "we are here to destroy eve" and other corrosive statements? you put that on one hand and on the other you put the recent attempt to look like a respectable entity. spams the CSM forums about how awful goon spam is Alludes to additional negatives without specifics to avoid embarassment Doesn't bother reading any other threads and doesn't realise nobody's ever said "We are here to destroy eve" Think for yourself brosef.
JeremyCrow	Posted - 2008.05.12 18:09:00 - [38] The final Cylon??? Ok this thread stops here for me... I only know the first 7! I haven't finished season 3 yet.
Hamshoe	Posted - 2008.05.12 19:44:00 - [39] Originally by: wamingo Goons suicide ganking is a message, to you and ccp, showing you how unsecure high sec space is and how silly the whole insurance thing is. If you disapprove of suicide ganking, don't blame goons - it's ccp's fault that it's even possible, and if it takes a jihadswarm to show you that then that's what goons will do. Ok, enough salad tossing. It's all over your teeth now. Of course they're not responsible for what they do... Kicked in the head by a horse, what's your excuse?
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2008.05.13 07:48:00 - [40] Edited by: Reto on 13/05/2008 07:48:10 Originally by: carl tyrell Please make sure that goons do not get any more influence on this game now. I see their they reply with "some people choose to..." This is Bollox, they represent a hazard to the game as a whole. By suciding new players in hi sec they change the way people play and that is not right. CCP should be running the game not these twisted people. the fun thing about democracy is that it implies that anyone has its own opinion thus the right to vote on behalf of his own reason. its absoluteley unimportant whether goons are moraly corrupt in your eyes or if they are clever people. the voters decide about that not you. your opinion is represented by your vote and only by your vote. Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".



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