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Opertone
Caldari
Simtech Productions
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Posted - 2008.05.06 17:02:00 -
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i have a 150 mill budget to get a new ship
I need to do a lot of lvl 2 and lvl 3 missions, so which ship is preferable?
navy issue caracal or drake?
i think i will go against a lot of frigates destroyers and cruisers and i need to be able to kill them very quickly
i was thinking active tank, assault launcher II caracal or passively tanked, heavy missile launcher drake
can you help compare the two ships? |
Cogswin Iannyen
Caldari
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.05.06 17:04:00 -
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My personal choice would be to buy a drake, passive tank it, and use assault launchers for level 2's, and switch to heavies for level 3's. |
Princess SinR
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Posted - 2008.05.06 17:06:00 -
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for both tank and dps the drake wins, it will last you through lvl 2s, 3s, and can handle 4s albiet slow compared to a bs |
Opertone
Caldari
Simtech Productions
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Posted - 2008.05.06 17:17:00 -
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i just thought that drake is more safe and sound... but the drake is somewhat slow too
well, if the caracal can survive then i can sell it afterwards... no one buys rigged drakes w/o discount |
AnKahn
Caldari
Occassus Republica
Legio Mithras
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Posted - 2008.05.06 17:39:00 -
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There are threads about which is a better ship to bring to PvP and NH or a Drake.
Bottom line is the Drake sports a BS size tank.
Missions are about tank. DPS is about breaking the mission boss tank which I've always been able to do in a Drake with enough missiles skills.
Don't know the Navy Caracal at all. I'm sure it can do a comedy fit for speed. When I stepped up from the Caracal to the Ferox, I never looked back. Saying that I like Gallente cruisers. I just think the Caldari cruisers are a little weak.
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MalVortex
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.06 17:46:00 -
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Drake will have massively more damage on every weapon system, and several times the tank. Any loss in speed from physical velocity will be made up in kill time.
Plus, your fully insurable and have much less buy-in cost.
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.05.06 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 06/05/2008 18:02:40
get a drake and a normal cheap caracal because there are some lvl2 missions where you can only warp in in a cruiser. |
Demonic Sentiment
Caldari
Dissonance Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.06 20:07:00 -
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ill trade u a drake for CNI
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Mara Rinn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.05.06 23:41:00 -
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Drake over Caracal. The Caracal will need to kite while actve tanking, the Drake can sit still. Thus salvaging missions you've killed with a Drake will take less time because wrecks will be concentrated in a 20km radius sphere rather than strewn 200km over space.
With the same missile skills, the Drake will do more damage than the Caracal - Navy issue or otherwse. The Drake has a much larger tank to start with, gets bonus shield resistances for each level of Battlecruisers skill - there should be no question about upgrading to a Drake.
I was in a similar situation to you, wondering about the wisdom of upgrading to a Drake. I've upgraded and not looked back, since I've practically doubled my mission killing speed.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.05.07 03:34:00 -
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 Originally by: AnKahn
Missions are about tank. DPS is about breaking the mission boss tank which I've always been able to do in a Drake with enough missiles skills.
lol
Missions are about maximum DPS and minimum tank needed to complete the mission, especially because the DPS taken generally decreases with time as you blow things up.
@OP: I'd go for the Drake. You can always fit assault missile launchers on it if you want and it's much cheaper than the navy caracal afaik. |
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AnKahn
Caldari
Occassus Republica
Legio Mithras
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Posted - 2008.05.07 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: AnKahn
Missions are about tank. DPS is about breaking the mission boss tank which I've always been able to do in a Drake with enough missiles skills.
lol
Missions are about maximum DPS and minimum tank needed to complete the mission, especially because the DPS taken generally decreases with time as you blow things up.
@OP: I'd go for the Drake. You can always fit assault missile launchers on it if you want and it's much cheaper than the navy caracal afaik.
I agree with you but would you agree that for PvE tank is more important than DPS vs. PvP where DPS is more important than tank. From that you can guess the best PvE ships just knowing tank vs. gank stats even if you never played the game.
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achoura
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Posted - 2008.05.07 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: achoura on 07/05/2008 18:04:29
Not you just don't get it for pve you fit little to no tank. Drakes are only used commonly in missions because the players flying them are new and lack the skills (in this case knowledge) to use anything else.
EDIT: actually not true, if you've got the skills to use a drake with any decency you've got the skills needed to solo lvl 4s in a ti fitted raven.
***The EVE servers and their patches*** |
Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.05.07 20:47:00 -
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I would use a Caracal over Drake for level 2s any day of the week, even a standard Caracal is far better. No questions asked.
But for level 3s, the Drake wins. I have not flown a CNC, however, so I can't tell you if it would outperform a Drake.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.05.07 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: achoura
EDIT: actually not true, if you've got the skills to use a drake with any decency you've got the skills needed to solo lvl 4s in a ti fitted raven.
I use a minimally tanked Drake with three BCS in level 4s and can complete them all but I struggle badly when trying to tank anything in my (mostly) T2 Raven. Takes a lot more damage and runs out of cap pretty fast. It seems like I would need to bump my cap skills up to 5 (from 4), same with shield management and probably shield compensation just to barely make it work. That's like 2 months of additional training. Alternately, I could fill all the lows with cap mods, etc and gimp the DPS completely kinda defeating the purpose of using it.
The Raven is apparently not as noob friendly as some make it out to be.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.05.07 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret
Originally by: achoura
EDIT: actually not true, if you've got the skills to use a drake with any decency you've got the skills needed to solo lvl 4s in a ti fitted raven.
I use a minimally tanked Drake with three BCS in level 4s and can complete them all but I struggle badly when trying to tank anything in my (mostly) T2 Raven. Takes a lot more damage and runs out of cap pretty fast. It seems like I would need to bump my cap skills up to 5 (from 4), same with shield management and probably shield compensation just to barely make it work. That's like 2 months of additional training. Alternately, I could fill all the lows with cap mods, etc and gimp the DPS completely kinda defeating the purpose of using it.
The Raven is apparently not as noob friendly as some make it out to be.
I would have to agree in general. The Drake is perhaps one of the safest ships to learn the game in - it's take requires no attention and is strong with minimal skills and nigh impenetrable with good skills. The Raven on the other hand struggles to achieve the same amount of tank as a Drake with good skills and is reliant on the player watching cap and all that jazz. A Drake is unlikely to die in a Level 4 even if you fall asleep - the raven can easily be lost if a player is unfamiliar with how to manage the ship.
That being said, the Raven is unquestionably the more efficient Level 4 runner out of the two ships thanks to it's ability to easily add another 100 - 150 DPS to what the Drake can dish out (using cruises).
In regards to the question about the CNC versus the Drake, my vote goes entirely towards the Drake. You can fully fit (perhaps not rig) the Drake for the entry cost of the CNC and in return you get significantly better DPS and significantly better tank. While it is inarguably the slower vessel, level 2 and 3 missions put out so little DPS that you can easily afford to gimp your tank for an AB if you're truly concerned.
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Agramen
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Posted - 2008.05.07 22:38:00 -
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Edited by: Agramen on 07/05/2008 22:43:08
Edited by: Agramen on 07/05/2008 22:42:41
Ok, damn forum ate my post, but it basically was what Derrek said. I personally have both, and alternate between the two, depending on the mission.
Drakes have a better and easier tank than a Raven, but ****-poor DPS. I can't see the advantage of the Navy Caracal over either. A little extra PG and a few extra low slots doesn't help; it's weapons loadout is going to be essentially the same as a regular Caracal.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.05.08 02:10:00 -
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The advantage of the Caracal is that light missiles do a lot more damage to frigates, and it actually gives bonuses to them. So it is superior in all cases for level 2s, since the majority of the targets are frigates. You could theoretically fit assault launchers to a Drake but the range would be pitiful and the Drake being slower in general doesn't help things. That's just for level 2s, though.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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