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Dav Varan	Posted - 2008.05.07 19:23:00 - [1] Edited by: Dav Varan on 07/05/2008 19:24:32 How about entering a code in a pop up dialogue to start auto-destruct. you select auto destruct as at present. A dialogue box pops up saying please enter destruct code "NXTGSO" to confirm auto destruct. The dialogue has a text entry box where you type the code and a confirm and cancel button. Why ? to stop post like these The code is randomly generated btw
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.07 19:26:00 - [2] Why would we need that if you can easily cancel your selfdestruct? --- Consider voting for me in the CSM elections. Click the banner to watch the campaign movie.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.05.07 19:30:00 - [3] Why have a code when a confirm message would be just as effective. -------------------------------- There isn't a test around that a smart man cant find some way to get around it.
Dav Varan	Posted - 2008.05.07 19:30:00 - [4] Edited by: Dav Varan on 07/05/2008 19:32:22 Basically to stop nubsters / druken people from unintentionally blowing up there own ships and wasting GM's time with petitions doomed to failure. Free's up more GM time for genuine petitions. Better response time for the rest of us. Entering a code rather than a simple confirm removes the "I pressed the button before I relised what I was doing excuse"
Kharadran Sullath Caldari The Fallen Gingerbread Men Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.05.07 19:41:00 - [5] What about the people in need of a good laugh after a long day's school or work? ------- Insured criminals? Originally by: Fifth Horseman Similarly your insurance doesn't pay out if you fill your car with Gold Bullion and park it in the middle of Trafalgar Square.
Apoctasy The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.07 19:42:00 - [6] You know, this is actually one of the best suggestions I've heard all week. Maybe if CCP reads this post something can be done? Eh who am I kidding...
Natsume Chidori	Posted - 2008.05.07 19:42:00 - [7] Originally by: Dav Varan Edited by: Dav Varan on 07/05/2008 19:32:22 Basically to stop nubsters / druken people from unintentionally blowing up there own ships and wasting GM's time with petitions doomed to failure. Free's up more GM time for genuine petitions. Better response time for the rest of us. Entering a code rather than a simple confirm removes the "I pressed the button before I relised what I was doing excuse" You are highly underestimating the ingenuity of idiots.
Waxau The Fated Odyssey.	Posted - 2008.05.07 19:45:00 - [8] Honestly...No point to adding something like this. All it does is save stupid people, and even then, theres pleanty of warnings in any case. All it is, is an extra hurdle ccp have to jump over, which distracts them from other things.
Vego Slentis Copperhead Arsenal The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.05.07 19:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Natsume Chidori You are highly underestimating the ingenuity of idiots. This. And.. why exactly should we advocate spending more dev time on ...blowing up our own ships? Is this option really used that often? If anything.. move it to some other menu pane where it would be next to impossible to click it without intending to do so.
Farrqua Minmatar Turbo Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.07 19:48:00 - [10] I do believe it is in the message you receive telling you how to stop the self destruct mode. The problem is that that post is a small microcosm of the bigger problem. It stems from the fact that n00bs that sign up do not bother to read to understand the game and its mechanics or taking responsibility for the own actions drunk, high, or just stupid. No in this case Darwin wins and we are better for it.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.05.07 19:50:00 - [11] ZERO ZERO ZERO DESTRUCT ZERO warp drive active \| nature vraie
Havohej Minmatar The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.05.07 19:53:00 - [12] Originally by: Farrqua n00bs that sign up do not bother to read Exactly. Most of them don't actually go through the tutorial. They click past warnings and information panels. They're used to easy games where everything is self-explanatory and you don't have to learn something in order to play. This shouldn't be catered to. CCP has made numerous additions to help noobs just in the 8 months I've been playing. They've made the tutorial more in-depth, they've added these info windows that you get whenever you open a new feature that you have to either read, or find the tiny box to check, marked "Do not display this again." It's been my understanding that they've done this to make it easier for noobs to FIND the stuff they need to read - not to make it so they don't have to read it. That idiot lost his ship to his own stupidity and laziness - I wish it had been a more expensive loss, like an e-bayed Machariel with officer fittings and T2 rigs or something. Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.05.07 19:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Why would we need that if you can easily cancel your selfdestruct? I'm sorry, but the UI blows chunks, when it comes to the self destruct. You choose self-destruct, and you get a message that it's been started. THEN NOTHING AFTER THAT until your ship blows up, suddenly. There's a reason why in all the SCI-FI and action movies I've seen there's an alarm beeping, a countdown, a voice reminding everyone how many seconds until total destruction, and whoever's in charge of cancelling is reminded of how to do it early, when the alarms start beeping. The way EVE handles a self-destruct is laughable. There should be flashing letters all over the screen, a buzzing sound, and goddamn escape pods of all your ship's supposed crew ejecting from it, for the duration of the self-destruct countdown.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2008.05.07 20:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Letouk Mernel Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Why would we need that if you can easily cancel your selfdestruct? I'm sorry, but the UI blows chunks, when it comes to the self destruct. You choose self-destruct, and you get a message that it's been started. THEN NOTHING AFTER THAT until your ship blows up, suddenly. There's a reason why in all the SCI-FI and action movies I've seen there's an alarm beeping, a countdown, a voice reminding everyone how many seconds until total destruction, and whoever's in charge of cancelling is reminded of how to do it early, when the alarms start beeping. The way EVE handles a self-destruct is laughable. There should be flashing letters all over the screen, a buzzing sound, and goddamn escape pods of all your ship's supposed crew ejecting from it, for the duration of the self-destruct countdown. When we have Ambulation, can we have a guy who runs around shouting we're all going to die instead of getting to safety, I want to see that! Also everything you said!
Havohej Minmatar The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.05.07 20:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Letouk Mernel Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Why would we need that if you can easily cancel your selfdestruct? I'm sorry, but the UI blows chunks. You choose self-destruct, and you get a message that it's been started and that you can turn it off the same way you turned it on - hit self-destruct again. THEN NOTHING AFTER THAT until your ship blows up, suddenly. There's a reason why in all the SCI-FI and action movies I've seen there's an alarm beeping, a countdown, a voice reminding everyone how many seconds until total destruction, and whoever's in charge of cancelling is reminded of how to do it early, when the alarms start beeping but since there's enough stuff to create client lag, CCP has graciously left nonsense like this out of EVE. The way EVE handles a self-destruct is fine. There should not be flashing letters all over the screen, a buzzing sound, and goddamn escape pods of all your ship's supposed crew ejecting from it, for the duration of the self-destruct countdown. Jeeze Louise! So many mistakes in this post. I've cut a little bit out of it and added some stuff to make it look more presentable. The stuff I added is in orange text. Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
Dav Varan	Posted - 2008.05.07 20:22:00 - [16] Ripley to auto destruct the nostromo has to a) pull down two heavy levers. b) enter a code on a panel that opens up c) pull out four control rods d) press button on the control rods. Captain Picard to auto destruct the enterprise has to. a) confirm his ID to the ships computer b) speak a exact destruct code c) get a second officer to confirm his/her id to the ships computer d) get a second officer to speak a personal destruct code e) get a third officer to confrim his/her id to the ships computer f) get a third officer to speak a personal destruct code Dav Varan to destruct his uber Raven has to a) miss the option he wanted to click because of a bit of fluff under his mouse OK so I know how to cancel the auto-destruct. But I think its too easy to do it by mistake when a) English is not the first language of many playing eve. b) People do play eve drunk/stoned. c) Newer players are not always familiar with the procedures. It would take a competent programer no more than an hour or two to add such a feature. It only needs to be programmed client side - failed code entrys send no message to the server. Everybody wins. Players dont blow up there ships by accident. GM's workload gets lighter Servers dont have to deal with auto-destruct - cancel auto-destruct messages ( very very very minor lag reduction ). but hey it all helps.
Skyr Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.07 20:22:00 - [17] All that needed is a timer message akin of what we see when cluster shutdown is in progress.
Faife Noctiscion Twilight Trade Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.07 20:25:00 - [18] Originally by: Letouk Mernel (tl;dr) and goddamn escape pods of all your ship's supposed crew ejecting from it, for the duration of the self-destruct countdown. against it, my crew under no circumstances is allowed to survive.
Jian Chao	Posted - 2008.05.07 20:26:00 - [19] Hehehe http://omgrawr.net/quote/8154
Havohej Minmatar The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.05.07 20:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Dav Varan Dav Varan to destruct his uber Raven has to a) miss the option he wanted to click because of a bit of fluff under his mouse Sucks to not be Ripley or Picard, don't it. Originally by: Dav Varan OK so I know how to cancel the auto-destruct. But I think its too easy to do it by mistake when a) English is not the first language of many playing eve. b) People do play eve drunk/stoned. c) Newer players are not always familiar with the procedures. a) There are multilanguage clients, are there not? b) Your vices, your problem. c) That's why there are pop-up messages and tutorials. Ignorance is no excuse when the information is put on screen for you and you decide to just click through and not read it. No sympathy for those players. Originally by: Dav Varan It would take a competent programer no more than an hour or two to add such a feature. It only needs to be programmed client side - failed code entrys send no message to the server. Everybody wins. Do your idea of Everybody wins is to dumb down EVE? The self-destruct feature has existed for years in its current form and nobody has had a problem, until some idiot gets drunk and starts clicking on stuff, not knowing how it works, and not bothering to read the pop-up window, now some other guy wants to make a thread about what a great idea it would be to add hand-holding features to the game. No, dude. Just... no. Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.05.07 20:35:00 - [21] Originally by: Havohej and that you can turn it off the same way you turned it on - hit self-destruct again. but since there's enough stuff to create client lag, CCP has graciously left nonsense like this out of EVE. Jeeze Louise! So many mistakes in this post. I've cut a little bit out of it and added some stuff to make it look more presentable. The stuff I added is in orange text. Yes, thank you, I know that CCP are incompetent. There is so much client lag because their client sucks. All of my suggestions would be handled client-side, so no server lag, but yes they would have to optimize and improve the damn client before they can add all this extra flash/shiny. Not that it's not overdue. Seriously, polish matters everydamnwhere else, every other MMO, but not here. What can you expect from devs who don't fix an annoyance like the overview moving itself for 3 weeks (no announced fix in sight, either, let's call it 2 months, next patch maybe), and suggest that we just use the default layout like they do, cause that's how everyone should be playing? Having played for quite a bit of these 5 years that they celebrate, let me tell you it's par for the course for CCP. But, enjoy your game.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.07 21:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Dav Varan Edited by: Dav Varan on 07/05/2008 19:24:32 How about entering a code in a pop up dialogue to start auto-destruct. you select auto destruct as at present. A dialogue box pops up saying please enter destruct code "NXTGSO" to confirm auto destruct. The dialogue has a text entry box where you type the code and a confirm and cancel button. Why ? to stop post like these The code is randomly generated btw Why would we want to stop posts like those? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Furb Killer The Peacekeeper Core	Posted - 2008.05.07 21:41:00 - [23] Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/05/2008 21:41:31 Quote: a) English is not the first language of many playing eve. If you dont understand selfdestruct, you shouldnt be allowed to play eve (yeah english isnt my first language so i am allowed to say that without being flamed, in theory). Anyway, other ideas i had: Also add a code you need to enter when attacking someone in high sec. When busy, add code to be able to enter low sec (stupid people also do it by accident probably) Add code when warping to missions, you might also get destroyed Or just to make it easy: add a random code you need to fill in when trying to leave station. And finally: Add a code you need to fill in to enter eve totally. Oh wait, we allready got that, your password...
brakespear Minmatar Wayward Brewing	Posted - 2008.05.07 21:43:00 - [24] Edited by: brakespear on 07/05/2008 21:43:45 Originally by: Havohej c) That's why there are pop-up messages and tutorials. Ignorance is no excuse when the information is put on screen for you and you decide to just click through and not read it. No sympathy for those players. This. Been playing for near on two and a half years and still have most, if not all, dialogue warnings etc turned on, because it takes ages to learn something but very little time to forget edit: bah, see, forgotten how to quote competently -------------------------------------------------- 'people will always be tempted to wipe their feet on anything with 'welcome' written on it.'
spanky herman Gulfonodi Industries	Posted - 2008.05.07 21:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Dav Varan Edited by: Dav Varan on 07/05/2008 19:24:32 How about entering a code in a pop up dialogue to start auto-destruct. you select auto destruct as at present. A dialogue box pops up saying please enter destruct code "NXTGSO" to confirm auto destruct. The dialogue has a text entry box where you type the code and a confirm and cancel button. Why ? to stop post like these The code is randomly generated btw Oh and we can expand it using the Microsoft model to have us verify every request at least once - but to be safe lets make it ask us 5 or 6 times if we are really sure.
Andargor theWise Collateral Damage Unlimited	Posted - 2008.05.07 21:56:00 - [26] Originally by: Dav Varan Why ? to stop post like these Awesome. Do you have any other advice to stop eternally repetitive threads like high-sec ganking, Amarr, goons are bad people and why guys have female avatars? kthx - Stop the Feature Glut: Take the API to the Next Level
Dav Varan	Posted - 2008.05.08 13:27:00 - [27] Originally by: Havohej Do your idea of Everybody wins is to dumb down EVE? The self-destruct feature has existed for years in its current form and nobody has had a problem, until some idiot gets drunk and starts clicking on stuff, not knowing how it works, and not bothering to read the pop-up window, now some other guy wants to make a thread about what a great idea it would be to add hand-holding features to the game. No, dude. Just... no. Just because something has been like it for many years doesnt mean its the best way it can be handled. e.g. Remember the old HUD ? where you had to select high/mid/low slots before selecting the module to activate. That had been like it for many years , but it was crap the new one is way better. If we followed the "It works why change it arqument" we would still have crap hud , crap drone interface etc. No actually we would all still be playing pong in black and white. Its not dumbing down EVE to improve the UI to stop mistaken actions the player does not want to do. And I'm sure that many people have detonated ships by mistake in the past , Just that most players just suck it up and get on with it. Originally by: Furb Killer a) English is not the first language of many playing eve. If you dont understand selfdestruct, you shouldnt be allowed to play eve (yeah english isnt my first language so i am allowed to say that without being flamed, in theory). Anyway, other ideas i had: Also add a code you need to enter when attacking someone in high sec. When busy, add code to be able to enter low sec (stupid people also do it by accident probably) Add code when warping to missions, you might also get destroyed Or just to make it easy: add a random code you need to fill in when trying to leave station. And finally: Add a code you need to fill in to enter eve totally. Oh wait, we allready got that, your password... These suggestions would of course make the game completelly unplayable. If you have a specific objection to the self destruct code idea why dont you share it with us rather than just posting Flamebait. If you genuinelly want to see the features you suggest then maybe you should start your own post on the subject. Originally by: spanky herman Oh and we can expand it using the Microsoft model to have us verify every request at least once - but to be safe lets make it ask us 5 or 6 times if we are really sure. One confirmation should be enough. Using a six digit code made of letters only gives a protection level of 1 accidental destruct per 250 Million activations Originally by: Andargor theWise Awesome. Do you have any other advice to stop eternally repetitive threads like high-sec ganking, Amarr, goons are bad people and why guys have female avatars? kthx No sorry, I dont have an answer to world peace either , your point is ?
Barzam School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.05.08 13:35:00 - [28] No, seriously, This is a GOOD IDEA (tm) CCP should send everyone an USB-connected button and keylock, with a plexi-glass casing around it to prevent mistakes. And to initiate self destruct, you would have to turn the key, hit the button, and also say your self destruct code out loud into a microphone. GAMMA PICARD DELTA DELTA ALPHA NO WAI SOMEONE RECORDED MY VOICE AND HACKED MY COMPUTER SYSTEMS OMEGA!
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 13:36:00 - [29] The only thing needed for self destruct is a visible timer. Even then 99% of eve players could not care less. -- Billion Isk Mission
Dav Varan	Posted - 2008.05.08 14:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Barzam No, seriously, This is a GOOD IDEA (tm) CCP should send everyone an USB-connected button and keylock, with a plexi-glass casing around it to prevent mistakes. And to initiate self destruct, you would have to turn the key, hit the button, and also say your self destruct code out loud into a microphone. GAMMA PICARD DELTA DELTA ALPHA NO WAI SOMEONE RECORDED MY VOICE AND HACKED MY COMPUTER SYSTEMS OMEGA! Lol sounds expensive. But that is the general Idea. Sci-Fi in general is full of great examples of self-destruct sequences. We dont have one atm, makes me sad. I was gonna suggest a pop up window with graphics of cooling rods etc that had to be manovered into place to start the sequence. But lets face it that really woulda got shoot down in flames. Originally by: Lord WarATron The only thing needed for self destruct is a visible timer. Even then 99% of eve players could not care less. Yeah timer would be nice too. 99% of the players you know may not care less. But you are from a wealthy PVP corp ( 8 titans ? or more now ? ) Losing a PvP ship is one thing. Losing a Faction/Officer fitted Mission runner because of a mouseo* would be entirelly another. *( I just made this word up, like a typo but involving mouse movements rather than keystrokes )

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