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Prokonsul Piotrus
Minmatar
Astral Light of Nature
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Posted - 2008.05.07 20:02:00 -
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I've been away for a little while. Now that I am back I see that we have elections - and the last time I was here, we had discussions about candidates from this forum to advance pro-market ideas. Is this still current? If so, who are "our" candidates and what are their promises?
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Durente Galaica
Amarr
Fortunate Few
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Posted - 2008.05.08 04:59:00 -
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There are a few viable candidates but I don't have a list, and I'd be afraid of forgetting someone anyway. Also, there was some talk of putting a single person forward to give us the best chance of election (I agreed with that line of thinking). I don't recall ever seeing anything since that, but I'm not a daily subscriber to MD.
Personally, I thought about scenarios where taking up the cadency as "king of the carebears" could potentially put a very large target on ones back. Others who are many times more influential than I may share this line of thinking. Regardless, now is not time for modesty. LetĘs not mess around with nomination BS... People who want this position need to take initiative and say so!
Finally, I don't remember if this was mentioned in the discussion but... there is always the power of strategic donation (if we fail to get someone elected). A potential promise from a candidate could be to offer to collect said donations for distributing per chance s/he did not get elected.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2008.05.08 05:09:00 -
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So what's an anti-market candidate for the Council?
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.08 05:16:00 -
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I'm probably one of the few candidates(Only?), who even posts on market discussion.
So I a probably fit your bill. Feel free to convo or evemail me or something, if you have questions.
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Amicus Pauperi
ASGARD SECURITY SHIPPING PRODUCTION
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Posted - 2008.05.08 06:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Ray McCormack
So what's an anti-market candidate for the Council?
Well that Goonfleet leader who's running... Johnson something
Condones his pilots suiciding into empire hulks/macks so he's definitely anti-miner. But does that make him anti-market or pro-market...? Try wrapping your head around THAT!
As far as I can tell, LaVista is the only market regular in the running. Apologies if any other CSM candidates frequents the MD
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Mr Horizontal
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.08 07:20:00 -
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LV is the most prolific MD guy of the CSM candidates, but you also have Omber Zombie as a choice as well, but he's not campaigned as hard as LV has, which is why LV got my votes.
TornSoul and Serenity Steele are 'known' in MD too, but they're also well known to have their own agendas and stick their head in the sand, so would be bad representatives. Goumindong has said some very anti-market stuff, and most of the others are quite naive or have jaded views about the market, so choose wisely 
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Kwint Sommer
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.08 08:10:00 -
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LV got 2 votes from me.
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Astorothe
Aperture Science Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.08 08:23:00 -
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If you're looking to vote for a "market-friendly" player then LaVista Vista would be your best choice.
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Roguehalo
Caldari
RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Amicus Pauperi
Originally by: Ray McCormack
So what's an anti-market candidate for the Council?
Well that Goonfleet leader who's running... Johnson something
Condones his pilots suiciding into empire hulks/macks so he's definitely anti-miner. But does that make him anti-market or pro-market...? Try wrapping your head around THAT!
As far as I can tell, LaVista is the only market regular in the running. Apologies if any other CSM candidates frequents the MD
-AP
If stuff doesn't get blown up this game will grind to a halt.
Anything that increases the rate at which stuff is blown up is good for the market per se
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innocent alt
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Posted - 2008.05.08 11:24:00 -
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Define "pro-market". In the traditional sense this would be someone who would speak for a competitive, well-working and transparent market system.
However, I have the feeling many posters in MD would rather value a market system which is more fun or interesting than the current one.
For example, take the various individual item version (i.e. variations of items specific for your own products) ideas. They are not necessarily in the interest of the consumers, since comparing prices and product properties would be much harder to accomplish.
If implemented badly it might even destroy transparency (BTW, the currently high transparency is one of the main reasons for most T1 sell prices hovering around the production costs).
For producers, market manipulators and investors on the other hand it might make the game more interesting. But "pro-market"? 
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Haakkon
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.08 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Amicus Pauperi
Originally by: Ray McCormack
So what's an anti-market candidate for the Council?
Well that Goonfleet leader who's running... Johnson something
Condones his pilots suiciding into empire hulks/macks so he's definitely anti-miner. But does that make him anti-market or pro-market...? Try wrapping your head around THAT!
Darius Johnson, our CEO. He's more pro-fun than anything else. People were getting bored and then the Jihad gimmick was born and people were entertained.
Goons also get more ships killed (our own and others) than any other alliance, so we're buying stuff from Jita and Rens in fairly large quantities.
Bane Glorious is also an excellent CSM candidate. He's best known for his "Titan Manifesto" that helped illustrate to CCP just how grossly overpowered the ship was (and to a lesser extent, still is).
Both Goon candidates (to my knowledge) don't focus on making production more interesting, but they can't ignore the fact that we are one of the biggest consumers and spenders in the game, and definitely enjoy a stable and robust market.
I voted for Darius Johnson and Bane Glorious
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.05.08 13:05:00 -
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What council??
To Shar -verb:
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2 - To say what it means.
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Haakkon
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.08 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
What council??
Council for Stellar Management - a player elected council of players that gets to fly out to iceland and advise CCP on issues and basically represent player interest to the devs
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.05.08 13:23:00 -
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Okay, in all seriousness... I voted for Hardin and Omber Zombie.
Oz is as trusted as Chribba by many and for good reason. He's been here, done that, and is still doing more. He was first in on Egsex and helped to make the secondary markets what they are. He's articulate and concise and pretty much beyond petty considerations or bickerings.
While I could equally say the same things about LaVista I feel that OZ has the cross-demographic focus to be a good representative. Not to mention the cross demograph appeal instead of being a niche, "just the market", candidate.
As to Hardin, again I went with a long time veteran of impeccable standing and honor and understanding of the game from the niche area to the big picture perspective.
Simply put, I feel that if this council has any particular influence I'd rather it be chaired by people who demonstrate respect for themselves and the capacity for dignified action and/or thought. Far better then just those who can only be described as the current "fad", "popular dog"; "campaign blitzer", or "demagogue".
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
Silas Pentara
FNA Joint Ventures
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Posted - 2008.05.08 14:21:00 -
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As it stands, if no one was suiciding on those empire ships, there would be no turn around or cost to the player. As was previously stated, more booms = more purchases = better market.
Someone that would be anti-market would be proposing dumbing down and removal of systems instead of improving them.
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Ben Bitdiddle
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Posted - 2008.05.08 20:11:00 -
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I'd like to vote for a pro-market candidate, but I don't want to vote for LaVista because I don't really agree with what he has to say. In particular, I think he's stated that he would move more items away from the market and into contracts (and to give items differing qualities, i.e. one Raven being better than another) which I think is a terrible idea, and certainly a pro-market candidate should be pushing things in the other direction. The fact that there is this vast anonymous market of non-differentiable goods is what makes the EVE economy so great, and so different from other MMORPGs.
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Kushion
Anti Sweden Defense Force
Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2008.05.08 21:34:00 -
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I gave Vista two votes and Steele one. Vista seems more market-oriented, which is why I gave him two, but Steele is pretty market friendly, too.
Honestly, even if you disagree with LV on some points, I'd vote for him just so that the market community has a voice. We're a minority in EVE, and getting our voice heard isn't easy.
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Nielas
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Posted - 2008.05.09 14:47:00 -
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So are we talking about a pro-miner, pro-manufacturer or pro-trader candidate?
The interests of these groups are really teh same on a variety of important topics.
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Kwint Sommer
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.09 14:56:00 -
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It's not so much as question of "pro-market" as "market-aware." We need someone that reads these forums. If you do that you'll understand the important things that we want. Things like high end industrial content....
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.09 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nielas
Edited by: Nielas on 09/05/2008 15:58:35
So are we talking about a pro-miner, pro-manufacturer or pro-trader candidate?
The interests of these groups are really not the same on a variety of important topics.
I do all but the first one. So how can't I have interest in both?
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Nielas
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Posted - 2008.05.09 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Nielas
Edited by: Nielas on 09/05/2008 15:58:35
So are we talking about a pro-miner, pro-manufacturer or pro-trader candidate?
The interests of these groups are really not the same on a variety of important topics.
I do all but the first one. So how can't I have interest in both?
I was primarily trying to call the OP on the ambiguity of his question. 'pro-market' is extremely vague and two completly contradictory proposals could both claim to be 'pro-market'.
Ultimately we do not know which issues the elected CSM people will be able to influence. Some outcomes are bound to appeal to a faction of the 'market people' while another faction would see it as an attack on their profession.
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SencneS
Amarr
Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2008.05.09 22:25:00 -
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There is a few that are for the market but never post on here. Which in itself isn't a bad thing.
Here we are more about the secondary market, then the actual market in EVE. Most of us here have things we do that effect the market in a larger way then simple buying and selling.
LaVista Vista got my vote/s simply because I know him more then any of the others. If he wasn't around I would have voted Omber Zombie then Steele, in that order.
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Petyr Baelich
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2008.05.09 23:39:00 -
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My 3 votes went to LVV, mostly because of his excellent articles on the future of the EVE economy and because I was able to talk to him, albeit briefly in Ebank channel one night. LVV is the candidate for a free market and a change to monopolistic competition from the current "perfect" model. Serenity Steele might also be a good candidate, but I have not spoken to him, and LVV mirrors my views on the economy better than any of the other platforms I read.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.05.10 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 10/05/2008 09:27:50
For me voting (4 votes) went like this:
I went to the voting page and carefully looked at the face/name of the avatars for any signs of intelligence.
Then I crosschecked their homepage, issues they had in mind etc.
My choice was:
http://evajobse.net/
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Robacz
Essence Trade
Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.10 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: YouGotRipped
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 10/05/2008 09:27:50
For me voting (4 votes) went like this:
I went to the voting page and carefully looked at the face/name of the avatars for any signs of intelligence.
Then I crosschecked their homepage, issues they had in mind etc.
My choice was:
http://evajobse.net/
Heheh, the Mini spin is quite cool isnt it? 
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.05.10 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Robacz
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 10/05/2008 09:27:50
For me voting (4 votes) went like this:
I went to the voting page and carefully looked at the face/name of the avatars for any signs of intelligence.
Then I crosschecked their homepage, issues they had in mind etc.
My choice was:
http://evajobse.net/
Heheh, the Mini spin is quite cool isnt it?
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- and best of all, 100% real and NOT hiding behind an avatar!
Eva Jobse is running for CSM as Ankhesentapemkah, an independant candidate and long-term solo player. While other candidates will more often than not represent huge power-hungry corporations and alliances, Ankhesentapemkah is not tied to any of the big players and can thus be trusted not to have a hidden agenda.
Trust is vital for a CSM candidate. And, since a CSM is supposed to be the face of the playerbase, I think it's time to show my real face first! Watch my campaign movie, or read my CV to see who is behind the Ankhesentapemkah character!
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Rshu Jhorlk
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Posted - 2008.05.11 16:32:00 -
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What the heck does Utretch mean?
There's a chain art supply store here in the US which I hit up constantly for drafting supplies, so I probably would have voted for Eva Jobse out of familiarity had I seen that.
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Robacz
Essence Trade
Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.11 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Rshu Jhorlk
What the heck does Utretch mean?
There's a chain art supply store here in the US which I hit up constantly for drafting supplies, so I probably would have voted for Eva Jobse out of familiarity had I seen that.
Utrecht
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Saladin
Minmatar
Eternity INC.
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Posted - 2008.05.12 17:21:00 -
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Pro-market is a very vague word. I already voted but I would like to see enhancements to the market system. A stock exchange system and a Concord version of the SEC would would be really neat. I would also like see short-selling and debt implemented as well.
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