Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath

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This could just as well be tested -without- using living beings. Although no tests are needed to know the result of this experiment. Unless you fire really accurately there is no way of controlling which part of the ship will make it through and which won't. Even when firing exclusively at the bridge the cargohold on the other side of the ship may be harmed due to a short circuit resulting in a fire in the cargohold. Thirst for knowledge is something I fully support, pilot, but this is not the way to go about it. Rather use simulations and disposable resources. Ask for biomass donations if you -really- need accuracy.

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Originally by: Kade Jeekin

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Edited by: Kade Jeekin on 10/05/2008 23:27:51
I refer the above evil bastard to my post here:
Linkage

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Originally by: Vikarion

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This sounds fun. I have a few Blood Raider slavers I captured when I destroyed their cathedral...would they serve your purposes?

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Originally by: Griff Philips

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Recent communications have brought to light the disagreement between a number of people regarding the destruction of ships and probability of the survival of the livestock being transported aboard those ships. In order to solve this conundrum, my proposal is to create a corp comprised of myself and a few interested companions. We will be seeking the donation of slaves (for accuracy) which we may place in various ships. We will be experimenting on a number of ships and transportation options including storing the livestock in secure containers or loose within the cargohold of several different types of ships.

These experiments upon conclusion will demonstrate whether or not the animals carried within the amarr ships are indeed murdered by the freedom fighter animals who claim to save them or if the savages are correct in assuming that all livestock survive the ship destruction. Anyone wishing to donate livestock, please contract it to me, Griff Philips.

I will be providing updates whenever possible. Stay tuned.

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Originally by: Wren Alterana

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point...missing...etc...

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Originally by: Griff Philips

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Edited by: Griff Philips on 13/05/2008 01:15:46
Recent communications have brought to light the disagreement between a number of people regarding the destruction of ships and probability of the survival of the livestock being transported aboard those ships. In order to solve this conundrum, my proposal is to create a corp comprised of myself and a few interested companions. We will be seeking the donation of slaves (for accuracy) which we may place in various ships. We will be experimenting on a number of ships and transportation options including storing the livestock in secure containers or loose within the cargohold of several different types of ships.

These experiments upon conclusion will demonstrate whether or not the animals carried within the amarr ships are indeed murdered by the freedom fighter animals who claim to save them or if the savages are correct in assuming that all livestock survive the ship destruction. Anyone wishing to donate livestock, please contract it to me, Griff Philips.

I will be providing updates whenever possible. Stay tuned.

Preliminary Results

Frigate, Bantam Class
25 slaves in cargo
14 slaves destroyed
11 slaves survived for reuse
44% survial rate

Cruiser, Osprey Class
50 slaves in cargo
18 slaves destroyed
32 slaves survived for reuse
62% survival rate

Industrial, Badger MkII class
500 slaves in cargo
500 slaves destroyed
0 slaves survived for reuse
0% survival rate

While these results are inconclusive due to the limited sample, the interesting result is in the destruction of the Badger. This result indicates the possibility of the complete destruction of all slaves aboard. This clearly illustrates that there is a possibility that a rescue operation may actually result in all out slaughter.

Further testing will be conducted on the same type of ships for a larger sample.
Testing on ships of other factions have been scheduled for the near future.

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Originally by: Plan Neun

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This is not nice.

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Originally by: Chiang TseTong

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And people said I was on a high horse when I spoke against -exactly this kind of immorality-.

Is the State really so degenerated at this point? If so, I can honestly say, for the first time in my life, I am glad I am flying with the Imperative, where such callous disregard for life, human or non-human, is viewed with at least a modicum of regret.

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Originally by: Absolom Hues

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It is good to see even the Caldari and Amarr condemn this appalling fraction of human rights.

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Originally by: Haraldhardrade

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Whats all the fuzz about?

Slaves are property just like any other belonging. If someone wants to throw money out the window, then by god let them.

You wouldn't stop me if I was about to throw a chair out of the window would you?

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Originally by: Rodj Blake

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Are you aware of the pronouncement by Emperor Doriam II regarding the fair treatment of slaves?

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Originally by: Stitcher

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Those five hundred and thirty-two slaves that Philips butchered in the name of his "experiment" died in agony, and in screaming terror. Every single one of them. I'd call that "unjustified torture" myself...

These were not "simple executions", but vicious, brutal murders. I suspect that any Amarrian court would declare such treatment a violation of an Imperial decree.

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Originally by: Haraldhardrade

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Bastard, no. Callous, perhaps at times.

Regardless, I'm neither bastard nor callous enough to insult the very people I try to have a civilized conversation with. No sir, that would indeed be below my station.

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Originally by: Aria Jenneth

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This is one area where Angel philosophy is refreshingly honest: "Sure, they're people. So?"

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Originally by: Stitcher

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Oh, and Harald - Sometimes people deserve insulting. I have been far, far more insulting to people in the past than just calling them a "callous bastard", and I've done it using language that is far more "civilized".

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I don't really regret a single one

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Originally by: Griff Philips

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Edited by: Griff Philips on 15/05/2008 11:56:43
To think, so many of you needlessly slaughter each other and others nearly every single day. The lives each of you have taken far out number the few hundred animals I have posted in my experiment results. This is work I have done of my own accord, sparked by the rediculous and senseless never ending sniping back and forth between the Amarr loyalists and their escaped livestock. Honestly, when your pigs or other animals escape from the barn do you engage in a discussion with them? Do you debate at length why they need to get back in the barn? Then why do you insist on this with the matari livestock?

The whole point of this experiment was simply to galvanize certain statements. Many times I've heard The amarr and their livestock argue over the idea that the "freedom fighters" are rescuing their fellow "people" and the Amarr tell them "well you're only killing them". The Matari think this is justified, the Amarr think this is hypocritical. When I set out to purposely kill Minmatar slaves I own, there was great outcry against this. So senseless death of slaves is only abhorrent when it is not the slaves killing other slaves is it? This is exatly what you do when you attack that pod pilot owned transport. Forget the commercial transport, nobody seems to be able to acquire that special technology. So, continue to kill your families and friends, I now know the truth about you anyway, you really are as savage as the Amarr say.

For the rest of you, no slaves have died, by my hands anyway. The experiment was not in killing slaves. Go on and continue to kill your fellow matari. You've proven what I suspected.

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Originally by: Haraldhardrade

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Originally by: Griff Philips

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Edited by: Griff Philips on 15/05/2008 11:56:43
To think, so many of you needlessly slaughter each other and others nearly every single day. The lives each of you have taken far out number the few hundred animals I have posted in my experiment results. This is work I have done of my own accord, sparked by the rediculous and senseless never ending sniping back and forth between the Amarr loyalists and their escaped livestock. Honestly, when your pigs or other animals escape from the barn do you engage in a discussion with them? Do you debate at length why they need to get back in the barn? Then why do you insist on this with the matari livestock?

The whole point of this experiment was simply to galvanize certain statements. Many times I've heard The amarr and their livestock argue over the idea that the "freedom fighters" are rescuing their fellow "people" and the Amarr tell them "well you're only killing them". The Matari think this is justified, the Amarr think this is hypocritical. When I set out to purposely kill Minmatar slaves I own, there was great outcry against this. So senseless death of slaves is only abhorrent when it is not the slaves killing other slaves is it? This is exatly what you do when you attack that pod pilot owned transport. Forget the commercial transport, nobody seems to be able to acquire that special technology. So, continue to kill your families and friends, I now know the truth about you anyway, you really are as savage as the Amarr say.

For the rest of you, no slaves have died, by my hands anyway. The experiment was not in killing slaves. Go on and continue to kill your fellow matari. You've proven what I suspected.

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Bravo. Your cunning wits triumphs over the Minmatar terrorists and their sympathizers. I would wish for them to be ashamed over their blatant hypocrisy, but I think that would be to credit them with too much humanity.

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Originally by: Griff Philips

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Edited by: Griff Philips on 15/05/2008 11:56:43
To think, so many of you needlessly slaughter each other and others nearly every single day. The lives each of you have taken far out number the few hundred animals I have posted in my experiment results. This is work I have done of my own accord, sparked by the rediculous and senseless never ending sniping back and forth between the Amarr loyalists and their escaped livestock. Honestly, when your pigs or other animals escape from the barn do you engage in a discussion with them? Do you debate at length why they need to get back in the barn? Then why do you insist on this with the matari livestock?

The whole point of this experiment was simply to galvanize certain statements. Many times I've heard The amarr and their livestock argue over the idea that the "freedom fighters" are rescuing their fellow "people" and the Amarr tell them "well you're only killing them". The Matari think this is justified, the Amarr think this is hypocritical. When I set out to purposely kill Minmatar slaves I own, there was great outcry against this. So senseless death of slaves is only abhorrent when it is not the slaves killing other slaves is it? This is exatly what you do when you attack that pod pilot owned transport. Forget the commercial transport, nobody seems to be able to acquire that special technology. So, continue to kill your families and friends, I now know the truth about you anyway, you really are as savage as the Amarr say.

For the rest of you, no slaves have died, by my hands anyway. The experiment was not in killing slaves. Go on and continue to kill your fellow matari. You've proven what I suspected.

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