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magickangaroo
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Posted - 2004.04.29 15:31:00 -
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bigest problem at the mo for some peeps is the or thiefs. im not getting into if what they doing is right or wrong. its obviously wrong as its thieft. if your gonna do it stop trying to make ur self feel better by saying stuff like your cleaning up space and no one owns it. so i would like to see huger secure cans on a par with jettision cans, as the only reason i use jettisoned cans is because it holds like 3 times the ammount of ore.
wouldnt mind paying 700 k and up for one either.
magick
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.04.29 15:37:00 -
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 Originally by: magickangaroo
bigest problem at the mo for some peeps is the or thiefs. im not getting into if what they doing is right or wrong. its obviously wrong as its thieft. if your gonna do it stop trying to make ur self feel better by saying stuff like your cleaning up space and no one owns it. so i would like to see huger secure cans on a par with jettision cans, as the only reason i use jettisoned cans is because it holds like 3 times the ammount of ore.
wouldnt mind paying 700 k and up for one either.
magick
That is the choice you have to make, do you mine into a jet can at 27k and hope you don't get hit, or do you mine into a 3.9k giant can safely?
Or......and dare I say this move to a .4 system and have take the law in your own hands.
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Absurd
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Posted - 2004.04.29 15:38:00 -
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Or better yet, have the cargo containers packagable so they take 10%-50% room when empty.
That way you can move more containers at a time.
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magickangaroo
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Posted - 2004.04.29 15:45:00 -
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less aout moving the cans about and more about having a place to dump it. if mobile refiners etc ever come out it will help me thinks.
magick
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.04.29 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Absurd
Or better yet, have the cargo containers packagable so they take 10%-50% room when empty.
That way you can move more containers at a time.
No, I have a better idea make them 300m3 yet hold 100km3 that way we can all mine afk forever!!! 
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Nostradamu5
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Posted - 2004.04.29 16:07:00 -
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How about add a new skill that would allow us to temporarily secure a jet can for say max of 72 hours?
Stop griping about server instability and go buy an EVE mug!
Additionally with the purchase of each mug you will receive two(2) invisible Elves.
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Absurd
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Posted - 2004.04.29 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Pychian Vanervi
Originally by: Absurd
Or better yet, have the cargo containers packagable so they take 10%-50% room when empty.
That way you can move more containers at a time.
No, I have a better idea make them 300m3 yet hold 100km3 that way we can all mine afk forever!!!
You know that what you are referring to involves macro wich is a bannable offence, that is not what the topic is about.
Since we do not have blueprints for the containers it is practical if you can package the containers so you can move more of them to regions where NPC dont sell them.
Also if you look more closely to my post then you might relize that I did not suggest the capacity of the containers would be upped, but their volume while empty and packaged in a cargo hold would take less room.
Next time you feel the urge to twist post from those who reply to a topic and come with suggestions to a thread then please by all means read and understand what has been written, good rule to follow.
Understand, reply, good rule.
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Seneardon
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Posted - 2004.04.29 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Seneardon on 29/04/2004 17:02:28
The Self Gratifying Ego stroking of those who disdain people that work, as opposed to living as a retrobate parasite for their isk aside, The current secure can system doesnt work.
Its all well and good when the griefer kids flood the boards *****ing about this change or that change that negatively affect their ability to gank n00bs or indies in Secure space or gate camp or some other griefer cause,  but when somebody brings up a real issue...i.e. why the secure can system in unusable as they are hard to transport, limited in anchoring range etc it gets flamed with the same lame arguments. Pathetic. 
...why is it the griefer kids always ***** the most, are the first to call names, and seem to think the eve-world such as it is revolves around them? Years of riding the short-bus to their special classes has given them a skewed vision of their own specialness i suppose.
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Katchin
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Posted - 2004.04.29 18:35:00 -
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Yeah I have to agree with all the 1.0-huggers above.
Currently Its DAMN hard to make a macro that will empty into several different containers when one is full, but with a 27k container, you wont need to! Overnight macromining of Veldspar in 1.0 HERE I COME.
Seriously tho:
Why do you need bigger containers: Whatever the size of the container you have to put it in an indy to get it there. If you can carry 1 27k containers you could also carry 5 or 6 4.9k ones, which would give the same storage. The only benefits of larger containers is that you could AFK mine for longer with a macro. And that is AGAINST THE EULA.
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Reash
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Posted - 2004.04.29 19:02:00 -
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i'm reasonably new to the game but i do not think that its size that is the problem, more the price...
Basically, when mining in a group the secure can isnt needed as you can have 1 guy in a indie coming back and forth and emptying it...anybody attacks and you havent wasted all that much time, anyway basically this isnt gonna happen for the new players because it will be difficult for them to mine anywhere out of the 0.9-1.0 space as it is dangerous and a frig wouldnt be able to mine and defend itself at the same time...so put simply...nobody wants to mine the worst ores with them...not worth their time.
So, this results in the new players jettisoning ore and collecting it themselves in a indie.
"Use a secure can you idiot" i hear people cry! not gonna happen, dont know about anybody else but as a new player i didnt have a couple of 100k isk spare to blow on a secure can ...i struggled to buy a ship nevermind blow it on a secure can.
Maybe im shopping at the wrong places, but it seems to be that a decent sized secure can isnt worth it for the newer players (who seem to be the people that are getting hit).
Just my opinion on the matter, personally never been hit, but id imagine it would be annoying when new to the geme.
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Posted - 2004.04.29 19:27:00 -
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The last thing EVE needs is more/bigger/better stripminers.How do you think people mined before secure containers and anchoring?In 0.4 space with 8 ogre drones on standby, thats how.
Har-de-fraggin'-har-har!
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Meltun Mo'bre
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Posted - 2004.04.29 19:32:00 -
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How about you just dock with your mins more often?
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Angry Dan
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Posted - 2004.04.30 03:00:00 -
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Edited by: Angry Dan on 30/04/2004 03:05:11
How about.
you stop pratting around with unsecure cans at your low sec mining op, and instead set it up properly.
You mine and transfer the ore to a huler straight away. He runs with warp core stabs, so he can definately escape. And he drops a small lod off very frequently at the nearest refinery. One iteron 1 and one apoc to mine, and one cruiser as a guardship. There you go. No risk of ore loss, and little risk of losing anything expensive (those 27% expanders. Mmmm tasty)
Seriously, if you can bothered to take the time to set bookmarks and a safe point up (which you must be daft not too in unsafe space) and watch the map/local for any hostiles, the only risk is from the occasional spawn of really nasty rats. And thats what drones and a guardship are for.
I wuld like to see secure cans taking up less cargo space though. It means I could set up better mining ops for newbies in 0.5-0.7 space. As we have a few US players who are new, but no experienced US players to chaperone them, and anything other than mining is waaaaayy to risky for a two day old character, changing secure cans to make them easier to deploy, anchor and transport when empty would really benefit our support to trainees.
But as we are 'carebears' not a bunch of whinging slaughtermonkies, I doubt thats going to happen.
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Sokhar
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Posted - 2004.04.30 03:13:00 -
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Secure cans are an abomination and should be removed from the game, anyone that disagrees is wrong. Secure cans are the worst form of comprimise I've ever seen. And they're small for a reason.
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PaulAtreides
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Posted - 2004.04.30 04:05:00 -
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I think a more viable sollution is to be able to unanchor an astroid and say "Load to Cargo Bay". Of course this process can take time (same time as to mine a whole astroid). That would also alliminate the fact that "Battle"ships are mining crud.
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Demangel
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Posted - 2004.04.30 06:28:00 -
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Edited by: Demangel on 30/04/2004 06:32:01
Originally by: magickangaroo
bigest problem at the mo for some peeps is the or thiefs. im not getting into if what they doing is right or wrong. its obviously wrong as its thieft. if your gonna do it stop trying to make ur self feel better by saying stuff like your cleaning up space and no one owns it. so i would like to see huger secure cans on a par with jettision cans, as the only reason i use jettisoned cans is because it holds like 3 times the ammount of ore.
wouldnt mind paying 700 k and up for one either.
magick
OMFG!!!! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP ALREADY!
Bah forget it I had more to say... But I don't feel like wasting my time.
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Demangel > Dude... I would call..
Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.04.30 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Seneardon
The Self Gratifying Ego stroking of those who disdain people that work, as opposed to living as a retrobate parasite for their isk aside, The current secure can system doesnt work.
Its all well and good when the griefer kids flood the boards *****ing about this change or that change that negatively affect their ability to gank n00bs or indies in Secure space or gate camp or some other griefer cause, but when somebody brings up a real issue...i.e. why the secure can system in unusable as they are hard to transport, limited in anchoring range etc it gets flamed with the same lame arguments. Pathetic.
...why is it the griefer kids always ***** the most, are the first to call names, and seem to think the eve-world such as it is revolves around them? Years of riding the short-bus to their special classes has given them a skewed vision of their own specialness i suppose.
While I stroke my ego, here are my thoughts>>>>>>
First point you made about secure cans not working....er I think they do and many use them just fine.
Second, Mining as it stands is fine, if you have half a brain you can make plenty of isk whichever system you mine.
Third, you mention griefer kids name calling have you not just done what you supposedly hate them for?
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.04.30 08:14:00 -
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1) Ore thief swiped ore from your jet can.
2) ore thief is flagged as a criminal killable by you or anyone else for a certain period of time.
3) you blow the hell outta the ore thief and pod them.
...problem solved, and you didn't even have to buy a secure can ;-)
so put in criminal flagging already CCP.
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