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Ardent Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.11 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: Ardent Dawn on 11/05/2008 14:06:17 I've been playing Eve for near a month now and find that the marketplace is always slow. No matter the day or time, it is very slow to respond. Especially so is selling something. Its takes probably 40 seconds total of waiting to make one sell. Its ridiculous!
I'm on a very good computer, high FPS, my net connection generally has very good download and upload speeds. I don't think it is me.
Are all the rest of you also experiencing this, and just putting up with it? I find it is so bad that I don't want to do anything with the market and cringe when I have to ever go in and buy anything.
Other than that the rest of the game is lag-free.
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Robacz
Essence Trade Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.11 14:11:00 -
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Something wrong on your side, immediate sell order takes like 2-3 sec to me. It only takes longer time on Jita, when it is lagged - then it can be even more than 40 sec.
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Ardent Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.11 14:13:00 -
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OK. The last few days I've been doing this out of Pator.
If it is on my side, I have no clue where to look to fix this problem.
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Robacz
Essence Trade Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.11 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ardent Dawn OK. The last few days I've been doing this out of Pator.
If it is on my side, I have no clue where to look to fix this problem.
Try it from another region, market service is independent for each region so if you have same problem in more than 1 region, you can be quite sure that the problem is not server-side.
As for fix, I would try cleaning cache, but then I dont know...
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Ardent Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.11 14:23:00 -
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I've been talking on the local channel in the system and people are saying that it is always slow for them. Maybe its the Region like you say.
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Riethe
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.05.11 17:23:00 -
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This is the result of a problem on your end.
I generally play EVE from a slow computer, and honestly have always just felt that the EVE interface was just very clunky and bogged down.
However I've been able to play EVE on a very expensive rig on a few occasions and have found that it simply has to do with my dated hardware.
Jumping, loading bookmarks, buddylist, joining chats, updating orders, buying things, anything that requires the interface to refresh a column actually happened instantly.
Sorry bub--even in Jita, no delay.
New compy is the solution.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.05.11 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe This is the result of a problem on your end.
I generally play EVE from a slow computer, and honestly have always just felt that the EVE interface was just very clunky and bogged down.
However I've been able to play EVE on a very expensive rig on a few occasions and have found that it simply has to do with my dated hardware.
Jumping, loading bookmarks, buddylist, joining chats, updating orders, buying things, anything that requires the interface to refresh a column actually happened instantly.
Sorry bub--even in Jita, no delay.
New compy is the solution.
Don't bother listening to Riethe, he posts here to manipulate people.
I have three computers, all of very different speed. Only the ancient computer with a 7 year old graphics card and a 5 year old processors takes a bit longer to do things. The 6 month old comp and the 2.5 year old comp is equally fast for all market related activities.
The only place I see a difference with the two newer comps is in space with all the new graphics turned on.
Now, there is a caveat to all this. If you have the premium graphics on as well as high shadow quality and HDR on with high bloom then you need a very very modern computer with a fast graphics card. If you don't it will slow down everything, including the market. But this should be obvious and you should not be running HDR if you don't have a powerful graphics card.
All three of these machines suffer from network lag in Jita quite often. Sometimes as much as 30-40 second delays. Outside of Jita 99.99% of the time things go through within 1-2 seconds on all 3 computers. The computer speed should have no impact on trading if you disable the station environment, disable high resolution graphics, etc. The market speed is based on the response from ccp's databases.
A final note. Bandwidth means nothing. A 2mbit download speed is no worse than a 10mbit download speed in terms of how fast a game responds to you. What matters is the latency of your connection. I can promise you this, if you have a 512k pipe with a latency of 20ms it will be far more responsive in EVE than a 10mbit pipe with a latency of 300ms. Anyone discussing the "speed" of a game or feeling "lag" and then talks about their max download speed has no clue what they are talking about.
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Riethe
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.05.11 18:21:00 -
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I posted my experience and my solution.
Why insult his intelligence and then try to contribute right after?
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Professor Leech
Southern Light Entertainment Black Scope Project
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Posted - 2008.05.11 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe I posted my experience and my solution.
Why insult his intelligence and then try to contribute right after?
Riethe is quite correct you need at least an NVidia 9800 class graphics card to play eve market.
All the benchmarking sites use the refresh rate of the market to determine the quality of 3d acceleration.
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Raskor
Crossflow Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.12 04:21:00 -
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One thing to note, are you using the market with the "browse" section opened? Anytime you make a transaction, or it decides to update, it will take quite a bit longer (in my experience). This is also made worse by an older (slower) computer.
Also if you sell an item with a ton of orders already up, the refresh will take longer (shuttles used to be horrible in this regard).
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2008.05.12 09:39:00 -
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Hi,
I've noticed a slow down on my comp in the last week while resetting market orders.
Nothings changed in my pc since it was all fine a month ago.
Can i presume a patch has changed things? maybe that load balancing one?
5 years of heavy market use every day and id say something has been altered in the last couple of weeks.
Best Regards,
Taur
p.s - my graphic's settings are minimal and my card is decent.
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Cergorach
Amarr The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2008.05.12 11:27:00 -
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Hardware and internet connection might very well impact the market response time. Keep in mind that the market data is downloaded from the Eve cluster and stored in your "\cache\MachoNet\" folders. As far as I know, the data is first stored there, then read into the client.
Thus if your connection is slow/hampered then you might experience a delay in downloading that particular file. I doubt that you'll experience a lot of performance gain if you use 2Mb down or 20Mb down, but if it takes the packages a while to get from the Eve cluster to your computer, it might take a while. Also, having other applications (such as bittorrent and newsgroups) clogging up the line, you might see a serious performance decrease. Also realise that the type of item your looking at might impact the performance, more items to buy/sell, is more data to be transferred.
As for hardware, your dependand on your Harddrive for finding and reading your market data, first check if it's fragmented (if so, defragment). Your HD might be starting to 'wear', run some diagnostics. Or you just have a very old and slow harddrive. I've noticed that Eve is a more sluggish to respond on my laptopn (5400rpm 40GB drive), then on my multimedia PC (7200rpm 500GB drive), on my workstation it's really responsive (RAID0 2x 16GB SSD drives). I've even tested it on my workstation with installs on different partitions, RAID0 2x 16GB SSD drives vs. RAID0 2x 150GB Raptor drives, the SSDs are more responsive when playing EVE, but not in the range of 30-40 seconds faster.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2008.05.12 16:12:00 -
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I'll add my experience to this thread in the hope that you'll be able to come to some kind of informed conclusion!
I have never experienced the kind of lag you are describing outside of Jita.
I personally use 5 different PCs to play EVE. They range from a 450mhz PII all the way up to relatively modern 3ghz+ workstations. I also regularly use other people's machines to play EVE as my corp often play in the same physical location (while drinking excessively) and we will use whatever hardware is to hand. For this reason I would expect that my experience would be representative of a fair cross-section of the eve-player's hardware base.
If you come to the conclusion that it is a hardware fault that is causing your problem, you're welcome to have my PII :)
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.05.12 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby I'll add my experience to this thread in the hope that you'll be able to come to some kind of informed conclusion!
I have never experienced the kind of lag you are describing outside of Jita.
I personally use 5 different PCs to play EVE. They range from a 450mhz PII all the way up to relatively modern 3ghz+ workstations. I also regularly use other people's machines to play EVE as my corp often play in the same physical location (while drinking excessively) and we will use whatever hardware is to hand.
LOL This is the life.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2008.05.12 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Bobby on 12/05/2008 16:56:45
Originally by: YouGotRipped LOL This is the life.
You should try making with the pew-pew on a PII/450 while seriously drunk. You have two excellent excuses for any loss you may suffer and maximum kudos if you actually manage to pull off anything beyond undocking.
EDIT: Appologies for a bit of a thread de-rail there!
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Hersheff
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Posted - 2008.05.13 12:40:00 -
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Try Jita, and low minerals ... they sell pretty fast.
or shuttles ~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now, quiet! The're about to announce the lottery numbers... |
Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.05.13 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Hersheff Try Jita, and low minerals ... they sell pretty fast.
or shuttles
Try to read, then post.
Slow MARKET INTERFACE not SLOW MOVING GOODS
I used bold and capitals to Indicate the important bits of my post just incase you might miss it.
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Ardent Dawn
Amarr Bellator Apparatus
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Posted - 2008.05.13 15:31:00 -
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Well, it looks I like I got a *LOT* of great input. Thanks, guys.
My rig is top of the line and is lighting fast for everything I do. That includes Never Winter Nights 2, World of Warcraft, and a bunch of other modern games, and they all perform with highest (or nearly) graphics enabled. Even Eve is lightning fast, that is, except for the Market.
Maybe it is latency. How do I check my latency with Eve? I am on the other side of the world (California, USA).
I've tried the most basic setup - close all windows. No market window, no character sheet, no nothing. Doc at a remote station with only a couple other people there. Move something in to my station cargo hold, right click it, click Sell. Wait 5 seconds for the Sell window to come up, then wait another 20 seconds for the cell window to be populated with information, then another 10 seconds for any of the buttons to be clickable.
AAHHHHH! I can't live like this. :)
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2008.05.13 15:58:00 -
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Have you tried drunkenly shaking your fist at the screen, kicking the box and shouting "FASTER!" at the top of your voice?
It's never worked for me but it seems to make me feel better.
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Brisco Smiley
Peppermint Bay Trading Company
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Posted - 2008.05.13 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Hersheff Try Jita, and low minerals ... they make the interface pretty slow.
or shuttles
fixed
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Brain Sweeper
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.14 05:37:00 -
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I had sam problem than i cleared mine cache and it works great now.
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Ardent Dawn
Amarr Bellator Apparatus
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Posted - 2008.05.16 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Brain Sweeper I had sam problem than i cleared mine cache and it works great now.
Dude! That fixed it! Thanks!!!!!!!!
I had no idea there was a cache to even clear. :)
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