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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.12 04:06:00 -
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I think it would be super cool if we could have a module that changes the type of our sensors would be neat.
So for example, you fly a Gallente ship with Magnetometric sensors.
You fit a midslot module named "Magnetometric Sensor Modulator" and it will, at intervals of 30 seconds, randomly change what kind of sensor you use.
So, activate module.
Cycle 1 (30 secs): Ladar
Cycle 2 (30 secs): Radar
Cycle 3 (30 secs): Magnetometric
Cycle 4 (30 secs): Magnetometric
Cycle 5 (30 secs): Gravimetric
etc etc.
Cool huh?
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z0de
Gallente
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.05.12 04:20:00 -
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Do falcons annoy you by any chance?
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.12 06:30:00 -
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Actually it was related to POS stuff. POS jammers jam for silly amounts and I thought it'd be cool if we could spoof the jammers.
But, it would sort of throw a nerf towarrds falcons, causing them to start using more multispecs.
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KingOzar
Caldari
Brute Strength
THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.12 06:33:00 -
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Wouldn't changing the type of sensors you're using disrupt all targeting and you would have to retarget all targets?
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islador
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Posted - 2008.05.12 06:36:00 -
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sounds about right, there would have to be penalties to it
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.12 06:41:00 -
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 Originally by: KingOzar
Wouldn't changing the type of sensors you're using disrupt all targeting and you would have to retarget all targets?
Well, in a wide assortment of sci-fi stuff, there are typically "modulated" things. Modulated lasers, modulated shields, modulated engines, all that stuff.
All a modulator does is change the type of something. So if you have a sensor modulator, it takes up a mid slot, it causes your sensors to randomly shift through the types of sensors, and it may give some sort of lock penalty or something.
However, technology often offers solutions. If you can fit it to a ship, why would it cause you to break target lock? Your targeting scanners are built in a way that they can accommodate a wide variety of tools, such as sensor boosters, signal amplifiers, ECCMs, target painters which do a lot of interpreting and more.
I think it's an idea that should be played with because it seems like something that should exist, but just doesn't yet.
:)
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KingOzar
Caldari
Brute Strength
THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.12 06:53:00 -
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I would think you should loose a lock. You sensor range can be boosted, the strength, the resolution, but this is completely different. Your talking about using a completely different sensor system to do the same job. It's like turning off one computer because it it has a different processor brand than the one your turning on to view the same webpage.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.12 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: KingOzar
I would think you should loose a lock. You sensor range can be boosted, the strength, the resolution, but this is completely different. Your talking about using a completely different sensor system to do the same job. It's like turning off one computer because it it has a different processor brand than the one your turning on to view the same webpage.
You would think so.. but the whole purpose of the module is to PREVENT you from losing a lock.
Here's an example of the flavor text the module could have in the description.
Magnetometric Sensor Modulator I
Using a wide array of various electronics and top-of-the-line sensor recalibration techniques, this module will remodulate your sensors on-the-fly. This will allow you a wider gamut of targeting capability, and acts as an active countermeasure against ECM modules. To regulate this benefit however, your sensors must amplify their strength in order to maintain a lock during operation, thereby reducing the maximum number of targets you may have locked at any given time.
Note: You may only fit one of these to a ship at any time.
Penalty: The number of maximum targets you may have locked at once is reduced by 1.
Attributes:
Mass: 5000.0 kg
Volume: 30m¦
Tech Level: 1
Activation Time: 30.00 sec
Cap Usage: 100
MaxLockedTargetBonus: -1
Fitting:
Mid slot
45 tF
1 MW
Now, a tech 2 variant would have a reduced activation time, say 25 seconds or something.
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Erotic Irony
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Posted - 2008.05.12 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
I think it would be super cool
super cool thread!
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Zirconium Blade
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Posted - 2008.05.12 13:44:00 -
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How about a mid slot module that doubles your sensor strength?
Wait a minute...
Re: racial jammers, this module you suggest would just make everyone fit multispecs. and re: Pos jammers, they have 45/15/15/15 strengths, so they will jam you half the time if you're currently using a different sensor than they specialize in anyway.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.12 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Zirconium Blade
How about a mid slot module that doubles your sensor strength?
Wait a minute...
Re: racial jammers, this module you suggest would just make everyone fit multispecs. and re: Pos jammers, they have 45/15/15/15 strengths, so they will jam you half the time if you're currently using a different sensor than they specialize in anyway.
It's an idea. Pound it out.
Realize not everyone would fit one, but it is optional. Also, not every Falcon pilot fits racials. These are things to keep in mind.
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Zirconium Blade
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Posted - 2008.05.12 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Zirconium Blade on 12/05/2008 18:25:06
The first part of my post was sarcastic. Look up ECCM modules.
Edit: did it for you Here
They would have the same or better effect than your idea in most if not all situations.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.12 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Zirconium Blade
Edited by: Zirconium Blade on 12/05/2008 18:25:06
The first part of my post was sarcastic. Look up ECCM modules.
Edit: did it for you Here
They would have the same or better effect than your idea in most if not all situations.
Hot diggity dog! It boosts the DEFAULT sensor strength on my ship!
Outstanding, racial jammers still prevail!
The idea here is that you can completely change what scanner type you use, to PREVENT people from saying 1 = A, 2 = B, 3 = C, 4 = D. We're trying to make it so 1 = A = B = C = D?? So that way, it makes it more difficult for people to jam you.
That's the whole point. Additionally, if you fit a Multispectral ECCM, you can [weakly] boost the modulated sensor.
Cool!
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Wei Kusazi
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Posted - 2008.05.12 19:23:00 -
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I'd buy one.
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Zirconium Blade
Ass Pounding Space Monkeys
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Posted - 2008.05.12 19:25:00 -
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I understand what you are saying, but if there was a module like you suggest everyone would simply fit Multi ECM's thus negating any advantage whatsoever over the current ECCM module. It would make it more simple, actually, since it would no longer be x=a y=b z=c but x=d y=d z=d.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.12 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zirconium Blade
I understand what you are saying, but if there was a module like you suggest everyone would simply fit Multi ECM's thus negating any advantage whatsoever over the current ECCM module. It would make it more simple, actually, since it would no longer be x=a y=b z=c but x=d y=d z=d.
Not really.
The downfall to multispecs is that they give you less overall jam strength.
I would happily fit a couple mids on a battleship to guaranteeing I could have a better likelihood of keeping my lock IF I knew I was going up against targets that jam. So there are definite benefits to this type of module in certain situations.
Let's say a racial jams 5 racial and 1.5 everything else (for simplicity's sake). If you run a racial against a modulated target, you jam them for 1.5 only. However, if you ran a multispec (3 to all, for instance) that raises the chance over the racial BUT gives you less of an overall chance.
Balance.
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.05.12 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jurgen Cartis on 12/05/2008 19:53:03
No. If you have good intel (or metagame, i.e., know your opponent's ship preferences) and fit correct racials, this should not be negated by the hand of (even more) random chance.
I'm game for an ECCM boost, but not more dice in a part of the game that already depends on them.
The irony here is, on average, this would have exactly the same effect on jam chances against racials as a 100% bonus ECCM module (the best personal ones are 96%, IIRC) assuming all sensor types are equally probable, but have zero effect on Multispecs aimed at you.
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Zirconium Blade
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Posted - 2008.05.12 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: Zirconium Blade on 12/05/2008 20:23:50
Multispecs give you more than half of what racial gives you. therefore on an unknown target, multi's are more likely to jam consistantly. A modulating module (haha, sounds funny) would make it mathematically appropriate to fit all multi's when jamming.
Thus making it less effective than ECCM and requiring less thought from the jammer.
Also, if you thought +96% to sensor strength was good, check out Remote ECCM.
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Marcus Gideon
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Posted - 2008.05.12 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Well, in a wide assortment of sci-fi stuff, there are typically "modulated" things. Modulated lasers, modulated shields, modulated engines, all that stuff.
All a modulator does is change the type of something. So if you have a sensor modulator, it takes up a mid slot, it causes your sensors to randomly shift through the types of sensors, and it may give some sort of lock penalty or something.
However, technology often offers solutions. If you can fit it to a ship, why would it cause you to break target lock? Your targeting scanners are built in a way that they can accommodate a wide variety of tools, such as sensor boosters, signal amplifiers, ECCMs, target painters which do a lot of interpreting and more.
I think something ~along these lines~ would be interesting. But not this exact idea.
If something is "modulated" then it is tuned to a particular setting. That's why radios use Amplitude Modulation (AM) or Frequency Modulation (FM). And when you remodulate your receiver (that is, scanning for channels) you lose lock on the original while searching for another.
Sci-Fi does have examples of remodulation, like weapons and shields in Star Trek. The Borg can adapt to a particular modulation, so the weapons adjust ~between shots~. The weapon deactivates, adjusts, and reactivates (fires). ST:Insurrection used a prime example of shield remodulation, during which time the ship and crew were vulnerable to transport.
Long story short... remodulating sensors would lose target lock.
Ships are designed using the native technology of the creating race. Each race was left to their own devices to relearn space travel. Each race decided on a different form of sensors. Those sensors are not just one antenna sticking up on the ship. They are integrated throughout the entire vessel. And even before you suggest ships could be built with multiple arrays, look at the Nightmare or Rattlesnake. Cross-faction ships still use a single form of sensor. Hence, trying to make a single device that utilizes all forms of sensors seems quite far fetched.
What doesn't seem quite so out of reach, is making individual sensor modules. Picture taking the sensor package from an Amarr frigate, and attaching it to your Gallente cruiser. Sure, the Radar 9 isn't as strong as your Magnetometric 14. But while your jammed, Radar 9 IS better than Magnetometric 0. And since you don't have a lock at all anyways, you won't mind relocking with the Radar instead.
This would allow pilots to feel like they're further customizing their ships, without going completely overboard and having Omnisensors on every ship in space.
Discuss?
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Zirconium Blade
Ass Pounding Space Monkeys
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Posted - 2008.05.14 14:26:00 -
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This is not StarTrek Online. Why do I constantly see people saying oh, well it should be like this because in Star Trek.... Or Star Wars....
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:21:00 -
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Marcus that's actually a pretty cool idea, about the pick-a-sensor.
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Marcus Gideon
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Posted - 2008.05.19 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zirconium Blade
This is not StarTrek Online. Why do I constantly see people saying oh, well it should be like this because in Star Trek.... Or Star Wars....
Because Star Trek in particular has existed since 1966. Since then, they've had a lot of time to study different aspects of sci-fi life. So when you want to think "How would this happen?", it's possible that some sci-fi show/movie/book has already thought of that.
It's not a crime to make comparisons. I'm not saying every Minmatar ship should be renamed Klingon. Or that Amarr should have pointed ears and obsess about logic.
But you do have to admit, there are a lot of similarities in Sci-Fi... just like there are commonalities between Tolkien, Goodkind, Salvatore, Weis and Hickman...
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