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Sardau Kar	Posted - 2004.04.30 06:24:00 - [1] Edited by: Sardau Kar on 30/04/2004 06:25:11 Anyone that usually drives a dominix can share their thoughts here aboud whats good/bad on them,¦¦It looks like a shoe upside down,it looks like dog poo etc`` dont count as bad things on it,I mean technically.I dont think the dom looks that bad,its just ¦¦odd``. Also anyone that got some experience with them can share their pvp setups? And post a picture of them actually on flight? Dont think I got to close to one of them since I dont really see them that often,but I know they exist!. What about armor tanking on them?
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.04.30 06:42:00 - [2] Edited by: Alowishus on 30/04/2004 06:44:21 This is the best PvP setup I have ever seen for a Dom: Quote: 6 Limited Mega Ions 1 XL C5-L Emergency Shield Overload 1 EM "Ward" 2 Shield Amplifiers 1 Quad LIF MWD 4 Magnetic Stabilizer IIs Power Mods to fit your skills to the equipment 23 Heavy drones. I run 10 Praetors at a time, and it makes a serious dent. Credit goes to Madcap Magician, from this thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=75814&page=1 I'd personally replace a shield amp with a warp scrambler but I have no direct experience doing so. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
fras	Posted - 2004.04.30 09:31:00 - [3] Edited by: fras on 30/04/2004 09:55:39 Edited by: fras on 30/04/2004 09:54:53 6x Dual heavy ion mwd, 2x medium cap booster, web, scramble 1 Large armour repair, 3 hardner, 2 Damage mod, 1 power diag. 2 medium cap boosters are better than 1 large over time and they save alot of grid compared to a Heavy. Using 1 medium cap booster and a cap recharger/extra web/scramble will let u switch the power diag for an extra damage mod. Edit: btw I don't like the setup posted above. It might work for some ppl but having no cap boosting equipment, an mwd, XL shield booster, cap sucking ions and nothing to lock your opponent down with doesn't seem like a good mix to me, it might work on Chaos ok I guess
dalman	Posted - 2004.04.30 11:05:00 - [4] Originally by: fras Edited by: fras on 30/04/2004 09:55:39 Edited by: fras on 30/04/2004 09:54:53 6x Dual heavy ion mwd, 2x medium cap booster, web, scramble 1 Large armour repair, 3 hardner, 2 Damage mod, 1 power diag. 2 medium cap boosters are better than 1 large over time and they save alot of grid compared to a Heavy. Using 1 medium cap booster and a cap recharger/extra web/scramble will let u switch the power diag for an extra damage mod. Edit: btw I don't like the setup posted above. It might work for some ppl but having no cap boosting equipment, an mwd, XL shield booster, cap sucking ions and nothing to lock your opponent down with doesn't seem like a good mix to me, it might work on Chaos ok I guess This is pretty much the way to fit it. To fit 6 dual heavy ions as weapons is a must. To use blasters rquire MWD, webbifier and scrambler. Which means you run out of both cap and slots for shield tanking. Hence you must armor tank. But with 2 medslots, 7 lowslots, and quite alot CPU and Powergrid left, you can get a very good armor tank. And with each gun holding 200 rounds of ammo, this means you hardly have to bring anything in your cargohold -> you can use it all for cap charges. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
darth solo	Posted - 2004.04.30 11:26:00 - [5] darn, didnt know the dom had 7 low slots:(.... leiteri uses that ship to devastating effect, now i know why... cant believe we dont see more of them, as they cost so little.
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.04.30 12:27:00 - [6] Originally by: darth solo cant believe we dont see more of them, as they cost so little. Didn't you get the memo, Gallente Battleships are crap! Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
dalman	Posted - 2004.04.30 14:09:00 - [7] Originally by: darth solo darn, didnt know the dom had 7 low slots:(.... leiteri uses that ship to devastating effect, now i know why... cant believe we dont see more of them, as they cost so little. The answer is simple. With 5 meds and 7 lows, the dominix is the ship in the game with the best med/low combo. With 6 dual heavy ions and 9 heavy drones, it can deal very good damage. It's a "kick ass ship" for a bargain to price. The only reason players don't use it is because only a fraction of the playerbase has the balls to take it into close-range fighting. Say a player enters 10 fights. And he gets to choose between these 2 outcomes: * In 7 of the fights, the enemy dies. In 2 fights the player himself dies. In 1 fight one of the ships manage to run. * In 2 of the fights, the enemy dies. In 1 of the fights, the player himself dies. In 7 fights, one ship manage to run. Despite the much better result in case 1, a vast majority of the EVE players would still choose case 2 where he only looses 1 ship himself. Case 1 would be with a short-range setup. Case 2 with a long-range setup. And it's simply impossible to fit long-range weapons on the dominix with it's small grid. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.04.30 14:44:00 - [8] I'd fly a Dom. I'm a close range kind of guy. It's more fun. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
Kaylona Tso	Posted - 2004.04.30 14:55:00 - [9] Ok great... this reminds me when people got the memo that typhoon was a pretty damn good ship after months of neglect. The Dom is simply one of the better pvp BSs in the game. Its all in the mids and lows... not highs. Thats why I have owned more Domi's than any and only lost one ( my first ) due to combo of lack of skill and NPC hunting after a patch back in October 2003. -----
Raeff	Posted - 2004.04.30 15:12:00 - [10] dom can be a very nice close range pvp ship, but its drawbacks are the lack of launchers and easily jammed by a scorp .. thats why i got a Typhoon for my pvp'n needs although i still might take the dom out but only in groups
Renox	Posted - 2004.04.30 15:18:00 - [11] Originally by: darth solo darn, didnt know the dom had 7 low slots:(.... leiteri uses that ship to devastating effect, now i know why... cant believe we dont see more of them, as they cost so little. Now see why I stuck with the dom for so long even with you guys taking pot shots at me? " While Celestial Apoc is filled with smack talking, safespot hugging, gate cudling, empire war exploiting
darth solo	Posted - 2004.04.30 15:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Renox Originally by: darth solo darn, didnt know the dom had 7 low slots:(.... leiteri uses that ship to devastating effect, now i know why... cant believe we dont see more of them, as they cost so little. Now see why I stuck with the dom for so long even with you guys taking pot shots at me? yeah, after u taking down more lvl 2 BS in the dom, than iv had hot dinners, i should have taken more notice:)...
dalman	Posted - 2004.04.30 15:29:00 - [13] Edited by: dalman on 30/04/2004 17:56:30 Originally by: Raeff dom can be a very nice close range pvp ship, but its drawbacks are the lack of launchers and easily jammed by a scorp .. thats why i got a Typhoon for my pvp'n needs although i still might take the dom out but only in groups The scorp vs dom statement you did there isn't true at all. Situation 1: the dom doesn't have ECCM: The dominix is then tanked enough to withstand the low damage output from a scorp for a very long time. If the scorp uses enough slots to jam, scramble and web (since you can run with your MWD) you, it will have VERY bad defence. 9 heavy drones will hurt him bad. And you can carry 24 heavy drones and thereby always have 9 drones launched. Such an engagement will force the scorpion to run. Situation 2: the dom has ECCM: The scorp dies very fast. Simple as that. edit Had wrote ECM instead of ECCM, hehe. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.04.30 15:51:00 - [14] Dalman, can't you run 10 heavy drones at a time with Drones Level 5 and Drone Interfacing Level 5? Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.04.30 15:54:00 - [15] Originally by: Alowishus Dalman, can't you run 10 heavy drones at a time with Drones Level 5 and Drone Interfacing Level 5? Ehm yes but drone interfacing lvl 5 is a serious pain to train ( and with so little gain ). Dom is a nice ship stat wise and slot wise, if it wasn't so damn ugly I'd use one, but I really can't stand the look of thing. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Lentia	Posted - 2004.04.30 16:33:00 - [16] Least the Dom has better res than the Mega. No one is using neutrons anymore, but I like a combo of 3 L Neutron and 3 M Modals on the Dom, helps with the cruisers and frigates, but they do suck cap. I switch between ions and neutrons, there are advantages with both. Lentia Military Officer http://www.staf.online-guild.com/
Kaylona Tso	Posted - 2004.04.30 16:53:00 - [17] Originally by: dalman Originally by: Raeff dom can be a very nice close range pvp ship, but its drawbacks are the lack of launchers and easily jammed by a scorp .. thats why i got a Typhoon for my pvp'n needs although i still might take the dom out but only in groups The scorp vs dom statement you did there isn't true at all. Situation 1: the dom doesn't have ECM: The dominix is then tanked enough to withstand the low damage output from a scorp for a very long time. If the scorp uses enough slots to jam, scramble and web (since you can run with your MWD) you, it will have VERY bad defence. 9 heavy drones will hurt him bad. And you can carry 24 heavy drones and thereby always have 9 drones launched. Such an engagement will force the scorpion to run. Situation 2: the dom has ECM: The scorp dies very fast. Simple as that. Couldn't have stated it better than myself. People think Scorpion and BBs are end all PvP ships for their class... but they aren't and easily countered. -----
Raeff	Posted - 2004.04.30 21:18:00 - [18] Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 30/04/2004 17:56:30 Originally by: Raeff dom can be a very nice close range pvp ship, but its drawbacks are the lack of launchers and easily jammed by a scorp .. thats why i got a Typhoon for my pvp'n needs although i still might take the dom out but only in groups The scorp vs dom statement you did there isn't true at all. Situation 1: the dom doesn't have ECCM: The dominix is then tanked enough to withstand the low damage output from a scorp for a very long time. If the scorp uses enough slots to jam, scramble and web (since you can run with your MWD) you, it will have VERY bad defence. 9 heavy drones will hurt him bad. And you can carry 24 heavy drones and thereby always have 9 drones launched. Such an engagement will force the scorpion to run. Situation 2: the dom has ECCM: The scorp dies very fast. Simple as that. edit Had wrote ECM instead of ECCM, hehe. only takes a few torps to kill the drones .. might not be able to kill the dom but whats the dom captain gonna do, moon the scorp pilot or stand in the window givin him the finger?
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2004.04.30 23:50:00 - [19] Originally by: Raeff Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 30/04/2004 17:56:30 Originally by: Raeff dom can be a very nice close range pvp ship, but its drawbacks are the lack of launchers and easily jammed by a scorp .. thats why i got a Typhoon for my pvp'n needs although i still might take the dom out but only in groups The scorp vs dom statement you did there isn't true at all. Situation 1: the dom doesn't have ECCM: The dominix is then tanked enough to withstand the low damage output from a scorp for a very long time. If the scorp uses enough slots to jam, scramble and web (since you can run with your MWD) you, it will have VERY bad defence. 9 heavy drones will hurt him bad. And you can carry 24 heavy drones and thereby always have 9 drones launched. Such an engagement will force the scorpion to run. Situation 2: the dom has ECCM: The scorp dies very fast. Simple as that. edit Had wrote ECM instead of ECCM, hehe. only takes a few torps to kill the drones .. might not be able to kill the dom but whats the dom captain gonna do, moon the scorp pilot or stand in the window givin him the finger? 1) Easier said than done. 2) You fly them in wings of several not putting eggs into 1 basket. 3) Dealing with 6 Ion/Neutrons is hectic enuff. 4) Timing of drone release. 5) The ability to use combo of heavies and medium scouts = more wings. 6) While your torps kill drones if you actually do... you still gotta worry about Domi's Guns -------------------- The Nest
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.05.01 00:29:00 - [20] I think you would be better off with smartbombs rather than torps against this particular Dom setup. And of course there is a way to counter every setup. Just because a setup can be beaten by another setup does not mean it's bad or that the other setup is better. The only crappy setups are the ones where people try to plan for every scenario. Then they have a setup that instead of being really awesome at one or two things and not good at a few others, is mediocre at everything. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
dalman	Posted - 2004.05.01 02:43:00 - [21] So true, Alowishus. "Trying to be good at everything will rather make you suck at everything" "Know yourself and your enemy, and you will never be in trouble" M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
xemous	Posted - 2004.05.01 05:10:00 - [22] Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 30/04/2004 17:56:30 Originally by: Raeff dom can be a very nice close range pvp ship, but its drawbacks are the lack of launchers and easily jammed by a scorp .. thats why i got a Typhoon for my pvp'n needs although i still might take the dom out but only in groups The scorp vs dom statement you did there isn't true at all. Situation 1: the dom doesn't have ECCM: The dominix is then tanked enough to withstand the low damage output from a scorp for a very long time. If the scorp uses enough slots to jam, scramble and web (since you can run with your MWD) you, it will have VERY bad defence. 9 heavy drones will hurt him bad. And you can carry 24 heavy drones and thereby always have 9 drones launched. Such an engagement will force the scorpion to run. Situation 2: the dom has ECCM: The scorp dies very fast. Simple as that. edit Had wrote ECM instead of ECCM, hehe. what if the scorp is using 2 large smart bombs
Melochus	Posted - 2004.05.01 06:53:00 - [23] Why would a scorp equip 2 large smartbombs? What other setups does this defeat? I know the setup to defeat all. Call in more ships.
Quagmire	Posted - 2004.05.01 07:47:00 - [24] Originally by: Melochus Why would a scorp equip 2 large smartbombs? What other setups does this defeat? I know the setup to defeat all. Call in more ships. Exactly. Whether or not you win at 1v1 PVP is going to be mostly based on luck. If you have the setup to defeat them, great. But because you don't know what the other person's carrying, how can you equip to beat them? You have to pick a sensible setup and hope it's enough. Getting more ships on your side than the enemy has is really the only guaranteed way to ensure a win. -- Security Director, Draconis Industries.
Sebiestor Jackal	Posted - 2004.05.01 11:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Sardau Kar Edited by: Sardau Kar on 30/04/2004 06:25:11 Anyone that usually drives a dominix can share their thoughts here aboud whats good/bad on them,¦¦It looks like a shoe upside down,it looks like dog poo etc`` dont count as bad things on it,I mean technically.I dont think the dom looks that bad,its just ¦¦odd``. Also anyone that got some experience with them can share their pvp setups? And post a picture of them actually on flight? Dont think I got to close to one of them since I dont really see them that often,but I know they exist!. What about armor tanking on them? very good set-up but once the L 300mm dual rails transfer from Chaos to tranquility i think everyone will be looking at the Dom as more of a powerhouse. They work very well on Chaos with 2 Mag Stab II's. ------------------------------------------------ Free My People All Amarrians MUST DIE!!
dalman	Posted - 2004.05.01 12:15:00 - [26] Edited by: dalman on 01/05/2004 12:18:17 Originally by: Quagmire Getting more ships on your side than the enemy has is really the only guaranteed way to ensure a win. No guarante in that. As for the smartbombs, running 2 large smartbombs, target jammers, scramblers and webbifier uses a very large ammount of cap. And they destroy your own missiles. With 4 blasters and 2 smartbombs, maybe, but it will drain the scorps cap very fast. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Ithildin	Posted - 2004.05.01 12:59:00 - [27] Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 30/04/2004 17:56:30 Originally by: Raeff dom can be a very nice close range pvp ship, but its drawbacks are the lack of launchers and easily jammed by a scorp .. thats why i got a Typhoon for my pvp'n needs although i still might take the dom out but only in groups The scorp vs dom statement you did there isn't true at all. Situation 1: the dom doesn't have ECCM: The dominix is then tanked enough to withstand the low damage output from a scorp for a very long time. If the scorp uses enough slots to jam, scramble and web (since you can run with your MWD) you, it will have VERY bad defence. 9 heavy drones will hurt him bad. And you can carry 24 heavy drones and thereby always have 9 drones launched. Such an engagement will force the scorpion to run. Situation 2: the dom has ECCM: The scorp dies very fast. Simple as that. edit Had wrote ECM instead of ECCM, hehe. Situation 2 argument is flawed. It takes the Dom 2 low slot modules to get out of the 4 multi-spectral jamming that is so common. Also consider that the scorp might be prepared and is using 3 or 4 Magnetometric jammers? It's also intresting how hard it is to fit any decent amount of firepower on a Dominix. The mere fact that a Scorpion can almost get as much firepower, if not more, as the Dominix on the ship say a lot. They both have as much Powergrid, you know. Least amount among all battleships. This added to that Scorp has launchers (not anywhere near as powergrid intensive) Anyways, 1v1 is not a good comparison at all. -- If TC causes you discomfort that you feel is unwarranted or may be outside TC's current contract - contact me, please.
dalman	Posted - 2004.05.01 13:41:00 - [28] Originally by: Ithildin It's also intresting how hard it is to fit any decent amount of firepower on a Dominix. The mere fact that a Scorpion can almost get as much firepower, if not more, as the Dominix on the ship say a lot. LOLLERSKATES? A dominix deals about TWICE as much damage per second as a scorpion does. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Neil Crow	Posted - 2004.05.01 14:15:00 - [29] Dom has 13 sensor strength, 13+4 > 16, so you don't need 2 lowslots at all.
Lentia	Posted - 2004.05.03 18:16:00 - [30] Originally by: Melochus Why would a scorp equip 2 large smartbombs? What other setups does this defeat? I know the setup to defeat all. Call in more ships. Well, I actually wish I had 2 Large Smartbombs yesterday because a little frickin interceptor kept on buggin me, trying to warp scramb me so his buddies could come and gank me. He never really figuered out I had 3 stabs on, oh well..... Lentia Military Officer http://www.staf.online-guild.com/

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