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Issaqua Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.15 21:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Amastat Edited by: Amastat on 15/05/2008 21:39:31 Edited by: Amastat on 15/05/2008 21:33:58 My only true concern is if it destroys 0.0 life and warfare - I would hope it does not and I trust CCP doesn't make it where everyone lives in high-low sec. It would get boring real quick and not to mention laggy. Carebears would also set course for 0.0 because its pretty much abandoned by PvP alliances. I think that if too many people leave 0.0 - there would be fleets of hulk pilots heading for 0.0. If too little 0.0 pilots do faction warfare, the carebears will still stay in high-sec. There will be a balance I'm sure, set by the players and what is the best thing to do. The only way it could create a serious balance issue between 0.0 and boarder-sec is if most of the PvP'ers are morons and they let the carebears go to 0.0 without any issue We'd then literally have a reversal between high sec and 0.0 in terms of who lives and works there. I strongly doubt the 0.0 population will want to move to empire to fight even laggier battles than they are already. They are rich enough already, and probably wouldn't gain a huge amount from doing so. I wouldn't be surprised if they dipped their toes in the lowsec side of things, but unless they can claim that space for themselves it's not really worth it. I think the main purpose of this is to cut down on the thousands of mission runners who run PVE all the time, something I don't think CCP intended to happen (in quite such numbers anyway). Even miners & production characters have to compete economically -a form of pvp, which is what eve is all about.

CCP Hammer	Posted - 2008.05.15 21:55:00 - [32] Originally by: Zeknichov That site with the features list only worries me more. Factional Militias Okay so you can join whichever side you have the faction with. Sounds good. Ranks Sounds like battlegrounds. But this is war and ranks are welcome, but do ranks mean I can use LP to buy new faction ships? It's starting to sound like grounds for a WoW BG scheme. Factional Warfare Agents Excellent, an attempt to get the mission runners into the action. Sounds good. Statistics Good System Occupancy Okay... WAIT WTF WAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT ONE MINUTE HERE. contested complexes INSTANCES. INSTANCES. INSTANCES WTF. INSTANCES DO NOT BELONG IN THIS GAME GTFO. When a militia accumulates a certain number of victories for its faction, it is authorized to assault the star's System Control Bunker within 24 hours. Should the bunker fall to the attacking militia, a cease-fire is called in the system's Factional Warfare Complexes, and that faction gains occupancy of the solar system. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IT'S BGs ALL OVER AGAIN. ** YOU WOW AND ** YOU CCP. Combat Zones More ******* instances and designated PvP areas. Where's the sandbox now? I guess that means we can be expecting Jove race as hero classes now? Factional Warfare Complexes Such a disappointment World Shaping More like word shaping. World shaping happens when you shape the existing world, not create a segregated area designed specifically so world shaping does not happen. EVE was the only MMOG different, the only MMOG to not go down the path WoW has taken, and now it has finally succumb. It is a sad day. I just want to nip this one in the bud before the rabble gets out of control. There are no "instances" or closed off "battlegrounds". The only restriction on anything at all is the acceleration gates which limit ship class. The combat zones are where the action is focused but there are no restrictions. There is a map view for it. Agents will be sending you into enemy territory. There will be capture points in the combat zones to take or defend. This is essentially a subsection of low sec space but the war is everywhere.

Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.15 21:57:00 - [33] Edited by: Amastat on 15/05/2008 21:58:45 Originally by: In4r4 Originally by: Zeknichov That site with the features list only worries me more. Factional Militias Okay so you can join whichever side you have the faction with. Sounds good. Ranks Sounds like battlegrounds. But this is war and ranks are welcome, but do ranks mean I can use LP to buy new faction ships? It's starting to sound like grounds for a WoW BG scheme. Factional Warfare Agents Excellent, an attempt to get the mission runners into the action. Sounds good. Statistics Good System Occupancy Okay... WAIT WTF WAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT ONE MINUTE HERE. contested complexes INSTANCES. INSTANCES. INSTANCES WTF. INSTANCES DO NOT BELONG IN THIS GAME GTFO. When a militia accumulates a certain number of victories for its faction, it is authorized to assault the star's System Control Bunker within 24 hours. Should the bunker fall to the attacking militia, a cease-fire is called in the system's Factional Warfare Complexes, and that faction gains occupancy of the solar system. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IT'S BGs ALL OVER AGAIN. ** YOU WOW AND ** YOU CCP. Combat Zones More ******* instances and designated PvP areas. Where's the sandbox now? I guess that means we can be expecting Jove race as hero classes now? Factional Warfare Complexes Such a disappointment World Shaping More like word shaping. World shaping happens when you shape the existing world, not create a segregated area designed specifically so world shaping does not happen. EVE was the only MMOG different, the only MMOG to not go down the path WoW has taken, and now it has finally succumb. It is a sad day. You need to learn what an instance is before whining, these are not wow instances here , when one fills up another instance is created etc, these are the same as whats currently ingame, with no restrictions on getting in other than ship class I agree but disagree with some things. Factional Militias: Yes - freedom to choose. No complaints. Ranks: Ranks are used by many MMORPG's, WoW was NOT the first - it was the battlegrounds they epically screwed up with and soiled the whole concept of Ranks; this is why its a turnoff for everyone to hear this. This is all perfectly fine SO LONG there isn't a crap BG system partnered with this. Factional Warfare Agents: Yes - Kickass. System Occupancy: I disagree to call contested complex's as BG's - the closest BG to compare it to is morelike Alterac Valley on WoW, which was the only one I could actually tolerate after the 100th without ripping my hair out - can't say that for all the rest. These complexes seem more like a king-of-the-hill style of play - control the tower. It's all not instanced because you can come and go when you please, you don't have a set team the match starts with and your stuck with it, and this is going on over tons of star systems - you'll never anything like it on World of Failcraft. I would not be surprised if blizzard went, "hmm" and stole these ideas from CCP. Combat Zones: Same thing, it's more accurate to call them warzones - they are way too different from instances to be called that. Factional Warfare Complex: see System Occupancy above World Shaping: More like adding a new region to lubricate the system between Gallente and Caldari. It would be wiser to wait and see what happens, I'm nervous a little myself I admit and I'm really hoping it's what CCP is saying it will be; thought I trust CCP is not going to allow such a sell out. I'm reserving the right to be ****ed off until I go on SiSi and see if it's like World of Instancecraft or not. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
Zeknichov Life. Universe. Everything.	Posted - 2008.05.15 21:58:00 - [34] Okay excellent, I'm starting to get a better grasp for how things will be. This is starting to sound like a clever scheme to get mission runners into PvP rather then a WoW BG copy. I kind of like that.
VinkNut Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.15 21:58:00 - [35] The whole thing sounds aload of tosh tbh..
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:00:00 - [36] Originally by: Zeknichov Okay excellent, I'm starting to get a better grasp for how things will be. This is starting to sound like a clever scheme to get mission runners into PvP rather then a WoW BG copy. I kind of like that. Exactly - that's the short way to say it. They also wanted to use this to create a form of PvP for people to just dive right into it rather then roaming for 2-3 hours trying to find something a pop. This is in a way a relief for the pirates who never find anymore carebears to pop anymore, and a way to encourage carebears to get popped for once ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
Major Death Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:00:00 - [37] At the moment its just a kick in the teeth for the RP alliances. FW is out, and all the RP stuff will now be FW. Nice move. My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;) CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!'
Cailais Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:01:00 - [38] Originally by: VinkNut The whole thing sounds aload of tosh tbh.. Unfortunately for you if its any good the .0 Alliances will see players leaving in their hundreds because, when all is said and done, it sounds a heck of a lot better than cap blob fights and Alliance e-peens going off the scale in CAOD. C. A new look at Local - IDEA
Allanon Wren Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:02:00 - [39] My main worry is that it's going to end up like most warfare in eve, nano gangs everywhere thanks to allowing mwd's in deadspace. All those dreams I had of easily accessible close range battleship slugfest's went down the toilet when they mentioned that. :(
VinkNut Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:03:00 - [40] Originally by: Major Death At the moment its just a kick in the teeth for the RP alliances. FW is out, and all the RP stuff will now be FW. Nice move. I dont even RP and I agree, it sucks... CCP haven't though this through and are pandering to the wow kids. Just force people out of empire and we can have our own factional warfare in lowsec and 0.0. Eve is not about "fair" fights etc and never has been.
Zeknichov Life. Universe. Everything.	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:03:00 - [41] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: VinkNut The whole thing sounds aload of tosh tbh.. Unfortunately for you if its any good the .0 Alliances will see players leaving in their hundreds because, when all is said and done, it sounds a heck of a lot better than cap blob fights and Alliance e-peens going off the scale in CAOD. C. That's actually fortunate for them. It's a form of getting rid of their weak players that are just leeching off the profits of 0.0. The reason to be in 0.0 is for the profits, not for the PvP.
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:06:00 - [42] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: VinkNut The whole thing sounds aload of tosh tbh.. Unfortunately for you if its any good the .0 Alliances will see players leaving in their hundreds because, when all is said and done, it sounds a heck of a lot better than cap blob fights and Alliance e-peens going off the scale in CAOD. C. I would hope not, though 0.0 alliances may have to try a little harder to maintain their fleets. Maybe they will have to start creating wages for pilots who fight and die for them It would suck of 0.0 lifestyle was killed, it would create such a stupid offset and empire would become so laggy - however I think Yin and Yang will keep this from happening. The entire Carebear community would have safe 0.0 ore to mine 24-7 if that happened. I would hate to see what impacts that could have on the markets, and it would be pretty boring if we went from 0.0, high sec, and faction warfare - to just faction warfare. I like variety - Blizzard failed to see this and figured the masses would not mind having to do mostly BG's for the rest of their natural lives. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:33:00 - [43] Question, could I, as a non-aligned player go into these areas and shoot the hell out of everyone there?
Asestorian Domination. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:35:00 - [44] Originally by: Malachon Draco Question, could I, as a non-aligned player go into these areas and shoot the hell out of everyone there? Well, as far as I can tell a lot of this will be low sec so it's most likely that you can simply act as a pirate does now. --- Quote: Welcome to EVE, a PvP game where people are - shockingly - allowed to PvP as much as they like.
Jecob	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:54:00 - [45] Originally by: Asestorian Originally by: Malachon Draco Question, could I, as a non-aligned player go into these areas and shoot the hell out of everyone there? Well, as far as I can tell a lot of this will be low sec so it's most likely that you can simply act as a pirate does now. What information are you basing that on?
Mioelnir Minmatar KULT Production Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.16 08:41:00 - [46] Originally by: Jecob What information are you basing that on? (a) CCPs constant mentioning that it is "still lowsec" and therefor ofc even your own gangmate could shoot you (b) the newsitem for the sisi test asked for mission runners, factional warfare pvp'ers and specifically for "pirates running around shooting everyone"

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