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Lots of whining, and people showing their lack of ability to read or research the subject they are complaining about.


Personally seeing most of the articles about this it seems like a good plan, as putting a subscription on a console game is a bad idea due to the nature of the way people like to game on consoles (like to not be tied down to a game which a subscription would do)
It also looks like it should not affect people who don't want to put RL money into the game, due to the way paid items can be sold for isk (much like plex in eve)

Also being free you are more likely to get people going "oh I wonder what this is about? oh its free *download*" than if they had to pay a cover fee. Why? because it cost nothing but time. and I already know a few guys who upon reading that it will be free have said "I will have a look at it" and knowing these guys they will most probably spend some cash while playing .. so profit.

eve has been ftp since the introduction of Plex... sure some poor shmuck has to buy the plex in the first place and put up sell order in the first place... but if you dont want to have to pay for eve you dont have to...

CCP has not made it's reputation by being a follower or a copy cat. It steps outside the MMO box and dares to tread where the big boys won't.

The way I read the excerpt is that "we have a few hundred/thousand MT sparklegear items" not "you're gonna have to get the MT gear to be viable"

The way I read the excerpt is that "we have a few hundred/thousand MT sparklegear items" not "you're gonna have to get the MT gear to be viable"

A lot of people getting very confused.

It's no real surprise, because the word "free" is involved, it baffles people like no other word can.
The world has a lot of things that are... "free".

Free minutes on your phone.
Free texts.
Free data.
Free Internet.
Free to play.
Free updates to Eve.

So if everything is Free why are you spending money?

The answer is more simple than you can hope to imagine, so simple in fact you will reject it and call me names.

It's not free. It never was and it never will be.
There will be a cost and a price and it will be met or you will receive nothing.

Just because you cannot see the cost or the price does not mean it's not there, it just means you don't know about it or don't care about it.

Dust will be as free as Eve.
ie, paid for.

How is it P2W? Double SP isn't P2W. P2W is when you can't receive item or service necessary to continue or compete without paying for the service or item. If it is achievable through time investment then it is not P2W. I swear gamers are the cheapest things that crawl the surface of the earth.

If i can pay for some sort of tactical advantage (double sp is a tactical advantage) then it is pay-to-win.

CCP had tossed this idea around last year about eve. it was a part of the fuel behind the Jita Riots. When CCP realized they wouldnt be able to do it in eve, they decided to do it with Dust.

I was born and raised a business man. My dad was, my grandfather was and so on... So I can't blame CCP for doing it.

A lot of people getting very confused.

It's no real surprise, because the word "free" is involved, it baffles people like no other word can.
The world has a lot of things that are... "free".

Free minutes on your phone.
Free texts.
Free data.
Free Internet.
Free to play.
Free updates to Eve.

So if everything is Free why are you spending money?

The answer is more simple than you can hope to imagine, so simple in fact you will reject it and call me names.

It's not free. It never was and it never will be.
There will be a cost and a price and it will be met or you will receive nothing.

Just because you cannot see the cost or the price does not mean it's not there, it just means you don't know about it or don't care about it.

Dust will be as free as Eve.
ie, paid for.

Double skill points mean nothing if you don't know how to use it. Besides, this seems to bear some similarity to the character bazaar in which players buy characters with ISK, which can be acquired through PLEX which is generated by a converted GTC bought with cash. See what I did here?

Even in games like WoT, players who spent money on buffed up tanks were still overwhelmed by the vast number of players who decided to progress without paying.

Indeed. A skill point boost or stat respec is NOT pay-to-win... no more so that buying a PLEX to get some learning implants or a buy a new character. Especially when you can accellerate your training (to a degree) through game play as you can in DUST.

I know you don't mean it as an overly negative point, but people use the term without understanding what it is all the time.

RMT for any type of in-game advantage is pay to win. How would it not be? Just because I am too dumb to take proper advantage of the things I just bought doesnt negate the concept that I was trying to pay-to-win

If I pay for a special silver 1-shot-1-kill bullet, but shoot them all into the ground. that was still P2W, I just failed as a P2W player..

edit: spelling > me

Ah yes.... gotta love the "DUST will work stfu" comments, reminds me of the "INCARNA will work stfu" comments.... wonder what happen to those guys?


What you MMO nerds (DUST will workers) don't get is that you are looking at this from a MMO perspective, and not a instant gratification FPS standpoint. Not even MW3 or Battlefield 3 could do what Dust is about to do..... charge people real money to play on a console AND expecting them to give a damn about what happens in a internet spaceship game they probably never heard of.

And seeing how its just gonna be fights over planets there's not much incentive for EVE players to give damns about the Dust players other then grief them out of the game.


Someone at CCP should just say "Lets stop this idea now, its not gonna work"