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Carbis Gallente Aristotle Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.16 18:20:00 - [1] It's a conspiracy! I have reviewed this so-called footage over and over for the past 24 hours and I have come up with one, undeniable, piece of evidence that totally disproves this "travesty." After watching the footage of couple times you should be able to see it. The clip starts with the reporter setting the stage, telling us that there has been a mothership setting course for an impact on the station, with clips of all sorts of ships rapidly evacuating as fast as they can, and within the 50 seconds, the Nyx makes contact. You still don't see it? Open your eyes. Do any of you know of any super capital that is capable at flying that fast? Look at that distance that is covered within 49 seconds! Coupled with the fact that there were no actual pod pilots to witness this and that the only "footage" comes from media sources, I say this is a farce! The Caldari State is trying to incite war by manipulating the media, by manipulating its citizens, and, what much, much worse, is the fact that it's willing to kill tens of thousands of its own people to do so! Do not fall for this, my friends! Keep your eyes open! Keep your mind sharp! We will not be manipulated! We will not forget!
Druadan Aristotle Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.16 18:29:00 - [2] Edited by: Druadan on 16/05/2008 18:29:22 Additionally, can we really believe that the Caldari State allowed a Federation supercapital to jump into its space? I have requested capital movement rights in Caldari space, for my fleet's carriers, every week for a year and I've been met with nothing but rebuffs due to the security concerns of the State. But the Federation, which still holds Caldari Prime in its space, is allowed to move supercapitals through? I highly doubt it. This was a set up. The Gallente would not waste the lives and firepower of a supercapital and its crew on picking a fight with a lesser enemy. My fleet is ready to assist the Federation in war. If you want Caldari Prime back, come and get it. Druadan Strategos, Aristotle Enterprises Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Arria Periclee Gallente Aristotle Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.16 19:23:00 - [3] Guys, let's not get heated here and jump on conclusions. History teaches us lessons. Newsflashes are only there to raise questions. My loyalty goes to the Empire, and to a certain extend, to the Federation Navy. The Federation Navy is still silent about the event. I'm waiting to see what they have to say about it. This might simply be the act of a madman who decided that he knew "the ultimate truth". This could be a manipulation to favor war. But it won't pay any respect to the victims, amongst which Gallente citizen stood, should we remind people who are prone to point fingers, to turn this into a masquerade of conspiracies and political implications. But this caution speaking on my behalf. I must admit having a hard time believing that a Gallentean of such reknown and unscathed reputation could commit such an act. To end it with a quote : "... and further, it is part [of the nature of tyranny] to strive to see that all the affairs of the tyrant are secret, but that nothing is kept hidden of what any subject says or does, rather everywhere he will be spied upon... Also it is part of these tyrannical measures to impoverish the nation so as to bolster the funds available for military defense, and so that the common citizens will be occupied with earning their livelihood and will have neither leisure nor opportunity to engage in conspiratorial acts... Thus, the tyrant is inclined constantly to foment wars in order to preserve his own monopoly of power." Now, to find where the tyrant stands is another matter.
Remus Navillum LEGION OF DEATHADDERS	Posted - 2008.05.16 19:47:00 - [4] Timing aside, the circumstances of this supposed attack simply don't make sense. It's abundantly clear that the Federation didn't sanction the action, because I doubt they would have been willing to sacrifice 15 billion ISK worth of ship and personnel just for the symbolic significance of plowing a ship shaped like Rouvenor's scepter into a Caldari station. It would have made much more sense if they docked a hauler stuffed to the top with explosives and detonated it within the station. And even then, the prospect of Admiral Noir being behind all this seems garishly unlikely. This man was one of the most honored spokesmen of peaceful Gallente-Caldari relations in the whole cluster. I mean... he won the Aidonis for it... the AIDONIS. The thought that he of all people -- someone with the temperance and skill to be propelled into the highest echelons of the Federation Navy -- would suddenly snap and plow his ship with a crew of over 10,000 right into Ishukone headquarters over some seething grudge he held against the Caldari and kept secret his entire life seems utterly difficult, if not impossible to swallow. There are many possibilities as to how this tragedy occurred, but I have to say that the story that we get at face value simply doesn't add up.
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui	Posted - 2008.05.16 20:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Carbis It's a conspiracy! I have reviewed this so-called footage over and over for the past 24 hours and I have come up with one, undeniable, piece of evidence that totally disproves this "travesty." After watching the footage of couple times you should be able to see it. The clip starts with the reporter setting the stage, telling us that there has been a mothership setting course for an impact on the station, with clips of all sorts of ships rapidly evacuating as fast as they can, and within the 50 seconds, the Nyx makes contact. You still don't see it? Open your eyes. Do any of you know of any super capital that is capable at flying that fast? Look at that distance that is covered within 49 seconds! Coupled with the fact that there were no actual pod pilots to witness this and that the only "footage" comes from media sources, I say this is a farce! The Caldari State is trying to incite war by manipulating the media, by manipulating its citizens, and, what much, much worse, is the fact that it's willing to kill tens of thousands of its own people to do so! Do not fall for this, my friends! Keep your eyes open! Keep your mind sharp! We will not be manipulated! We will not forget! One small flaw in this theory: "The Scope" is a Gallente news network. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Carbis Gallente Aristotle Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.16 20:48:00 - [6] Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: Carbis It's a conspiracy! I have reviewed this so-called footage over and over for the past 24 hours and I have come up with one, undeniable, piece of evidence that totally disproves this "travesty." After watching the footage of couple times you should be able to see it. The clip starts with the reporter setting the stage, telling us that there has been a mothership setting course for an impact on the station, with clips of all sorts of ships rapidly evacuating as fast as they can, and within the 50 seconds, the Nyx makes contact. You still don't see it? Open your eyes. Do any of you know of any super capital that is capable at flying that fast? Look at that distance that is covered within 49 seconds! Coupled with the fact that there were no actual pod pilots to witness this and that the only "footage" comes from media sources, I say this is a farce! The Caldari State is trying to incite war by manipulating the media, by manipulating its citizens, and, what much, much worse, is the fact that it's willing to kill tens of thousands of its own people to do so! Do not fall for this, my friends! Keep your eyes open! Keep your mind sharp! We will not be manipulated! We will not forget! One small flaw in this theory: "The Scope" is a Gallente news network. Well, then, allow me to retort... You believe that just because The Scope is Gallente-owned doesn't mean that a couple "bad seeds" are not able to perpetrate something as dastardly as this? It's not as if every single news story has to be signed out by the CEO of the media conglomerate, no! All it takes is a few key people, with a few key pieces, to be in a few key positions, and everything comes crashing down. The footage was manufactured. Plain and simple.
Dr Wellesley Burden of Mars	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:09:00 - [7] A Nyx crashes into a station with eye-witnesses present to report what happened immediately afterwards, and you suggest that the footage was faked? I don't disagree that the Caldari are behind this attack, but to suggest that the Nyx didn't hit the station is ridiculous. //--< We like trees. We like trees. They're so green and ... BRANCHY!
Arria Periclee Gallente Aristotle Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:45:00 - [8] Originally by: Dr Wellesley A Nyx crashes into a station with eye-witnesses present to report what happened immediately afterwards, and you suggest that the footage was faked? I don't disagree that the Caldari are behind this attack, but to suggest that the Nyx didn't hit the station is ridiculous. Eye-witnesses that had no way of seeing the pilot commanding the Nyx. Ishukone have been the only official voice confirming that the pilot was Alexander Noir. Their reliability can legitimately be disputed.
Kira Agarn	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:53:00 - [9] Originally by: Arria Periclee Originally by: Dr Wellesley A Nyx crashes into a station with eye-witnesses present to report what happened immediately afterwards, and you suggest that the footage was faked? I don't disagree that the Caldari are behind this attack, but to suggest that the Nyx didn't hit the station is ridiculous. Eye-witnesses that had no way of seeing the pilot commanding the Nyx. Ishukone have been the only official voice confirming that the pilot was Alexander Noir. Their reliability can legitimately be disputed. Then why hasnt the Federation done anything? Why hasn't the Federation Told us who was flying the Nyx? Why hasn't the Federation Apologized, or If Alexander Noir wasn't flying the ship, why hasn't he come out and said something. It's glaringly obvious that they planned it. The enemy always goes silent when they are about to strike.
Arria Periclee Gallente Aristotle Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:57:00 - [10] It might be because the revelation would wage war as certainly as the current official truth. But here I am jumping on the same conclusions I condemned earlier.
Major Death Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.16 22:00:00 - [11] Maybe 'they' took remote control of the ship and rammed it into the station. 'They' could have blocked communications from the ship, and faked any apparent transmissions. Perhaps the the crew of the ship were just as much the victims of this attack as those on the station. Of course what faction would have the ability to pull of such a scheme? Who could so control a ships onboard computer systems as to turn it into a missile? Perhaps someone should do a scan for rogue drone activity in the system? My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;) CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!'
Dr Wellesley Burden of Mars	Posted - 2008.05.16 22:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Arria Periclee Originally by: Dr Wellesley A Nyx crashes into a station with eye-witnesses present to report what happened immediately afterwards, and you suggest that the footage was faked? I don't disagree that the Caldari are behind this attack, but to suggest that the Nyx didn't hit the station is ridiculous. Eye-witnesses that had no way of seeing the pilot commanding the Nyx. Ishukone have been the only official voice confirming that the pilot was Alexander Noir. Their reliability can legitimately be disputed. Absolutely. Like I say, I believe the Caldari were behind the whole thing, but Mr. Carbis is making out that the Nyx was never there, that the footage was faked. //--< We like trees. We like trees. They're so green and ... BRANCHY!
Fox Vulcan Gallente LYF Naval Academy	Posted - 2008.05.16 22:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Kira Agarn Originally by: Arria Periclee Originally by: Dr Wellesley A Nyx crashes into a station with eye-witnesses present to report what happened immediately afterwards, and you suggest that the footage was faked? I don't disagree that the Caldari are behind this attack, but to suggest that the Nyx didn't hit the station is ridiculous. Eye-witnesses that had no way of seeing the pilot commanding the Nyx. Ishukone have been the only official voice confirming that the pilot was Alexander Noir. Their reliability can legitimately be disputed. Then why hasnt the Federation done anything? Why hasn't the Federation Told us who was flying the Nyx? Why hasn't the Federation Apologized, or If Alexander Noir wasn't flying the ship, why hasn't he come out and said something. It's glaringly obvious that they planned it. The enemy always goes silent when they are about to strike. Captain Agarn...Kira...I know why you have a heated view on this. But instantly damning the Federation is only damning more poeple, more innoncents and more families. Like I said before, I think most people are still reeling from what has happened. And, given the sluggish nature of politics on a normal day, its hardly unexpected. Besides, if Admiral Noir wasnt flying the ship, it would be because someone had replaced him. In such circumstances, it would hardly be likely that he would be able to get in touch with anyone to plead his innoncence. I do not yet know wether it was a set up or a freak disaster. All I ask is that everyone hold their fire, both metaphorically and literally, until some valid truth is uncovered. **************************** "For Honour and Glory."
Carbis Gallente Aristotle Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.16 22:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Fox Vulcan Originally by: Kira Agarn Originally by: Arria Periclee Originally by: Dr Wellesley A Nyx crashes into a station with eye-witnesses present to report what happened immediately afterwards, and you suggest that the footage was faked? I don't disagree that the Caldari are behind this attack, but to suggest that the Nyx didn't hit the station is ridiculous. Eye-witnesses that had no way of seeing the pilot commanding the Nyx. Ishukone have been the only official voice confirming that the pilot was Alexander Noir. Their reliability can legitimately be disputed. Then why hasnt the Federation done anything? Why hasn't the Federation Told us who was flying the Nyx? Why hasn't the Federation Apologized, or If Alexander Noir wasn't flying the ship, why hasn't he come out and said something. It's glaringly obvious that they planned it. The enemy always goes silent when they are about to strike. Captain Agarn...Kira...I know why you have a heated view on this. But instantly damning the Federation is only damning more poeple, more innoncents and more families. Like I said before, I think most people are still reeling from what has happened. And, given the sluggish nature of politics on a normal day, its hardly unexpected. Besides, if Admiral Noir wasnt flying the ship, it would be because someone had replaced him. In such circumstances, it would hardly be likely that he would be able to get in touch with anyone to plead his innoncence. I do not yet know wether it was a set up or a freak disaster. All I ask is that everyone hold their fire, both metaphorically and literally, until some valid truth is uncovered. Yes, hold your fire. Look the other way. And wait for the government to tell us that everything is okay, and that we can go back to our lives, continue to purchase goods and services, spend money. I'm not about to start shooting anyone but I'm not about to be blindfolded and backed against a wall all because I wasn't willing to see the truth. Think for yourself. Question authority.
Fox Vulcan Gallente LYF Naval Academy	Posted - 2008.05.16 22:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Carbis Originally by: Fox Vulcan Originally by: Kira Agarn Originally by: Arria Periclee Originally by: Dr Wellesley A Nyx crashes into a station with eye-witnesses present to report what happened immediately afterwards, and you suggest that the footage was faked? I don't disagree that the Caldari are behind this attack, but to suggest that the Nyx didn't hit the station is ridiculous. Eye-witnesses that had no way of seeing the pilot commanding the Nyx. Ishukone have been the only official voice confirming that the pilot was Alexander Noir. Their reliability can legitimately be disputed. Then why hasnt the Federation done anything? Why hasn't the Federation Told us who was flying the Nyx? Why hasn't the Federation Apologized, or If Alexander Noir wasn't flying the ship, why hasn't he come out and said something. It's glaringly obvious that they planned it. The enemy always goes silent when they are about to strike. Captain Agarn...Kira...I know why you have a heated view on this. But instantly damning the Federation is only damning more poeple, more innoncents and more families. Like I said before, I think most people are still reeling from what has happened. And, given the sluggish nature of politics on a normal day, its hardly unexpected. Besides, if Admiral Noir wasnt flying the ship, it would be because someone had replaced him. In such circumstances, it would hardly be likely that he would be able to get in touch with anyone to plead his innoncence. I do not yet know wether it was a set up or a freak disaster. All I ask is that everyone hold their fire, both metaphorically and literally, until some valid truth is uncovered. Yes, hold your fire. Look the other way. And wait for the government to tell us that everything is okay, and that we can go back to our lives, continue to purchase goods and services, spend money. I'm not about to start shooting anyone but I'm not about to be blindfolded and backed against a wall all because I wasn't willing to see the truth. Think for yourself. Question authority. Im perfectly capable of thinking more myself, and im starting to think the whole galaxy has gone blind and mad! So many call for blood, so many point fingers and rail against others, so willing to spill the blood of others.... So quickly all thought and humanity vanishes... **************************** "For Honour and Glory."
Carbis Gallente Aristotle Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.16 22:56:00 - [16] Edited by: Carbis on 16/05/2008 23:02:07 Quote: Im perfectly capable of thinking more myself, and im starting to think the whole galaxy has gone blind and mad! So many call for blood, so many point fingers and rail against others, so willing to spill the blood of others.... So quickly all thought and humanity vanishes... You think I am a warmonger? You think I am going for blood? You are certainly wrong. I am merely trying to open the eyes of the blind and those who have been led astray by so-called "shepherds." I may come across as being jaded... sure, I should be in mourning for the thousands upon thousands who have perished... but I am scarred from the atrocities committed by mankind. This shouldn't have happened. Whether it was the self righteous, delusional act of an egomaniac (cleverly disguised as one of the largest peace advocates) or the proverbial "evil government plot," this shouldn't have happened!
Fox Vulcan Gallente LYF Naval Academy	Posted - 2008.05.16 22:58:00 - [17] I know... Its all gone mad... Im starting to lose the last vestiges of faith in humanity. **************************** "For Honour and Glory."
Dr Wellesley Burden of Mars	Posted - 2008.05.16 23:02:00 - [18] Mr. Carbis, who is 'the Government'? I think we both agree that the Caldari State was behind this incident, but you seem to think that the Gallente are the ones pulling the wool over our eyes. You are Gallente, right? You're talking like the Caldari are your government. They are the liars in this. They're the deceivers. You're sounding more and more like you were sent here to make the conspiracy theories look too ridiculous to be believed. To muddy the waters. //--< We like trees. We like trees. They're so green and ... BRANCHY!
Carbis Gallente Aristotle Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.16 23:17:00 - [19] Edited by: Carbis on 16/05/2008 23:19:15 Actually, I don't remember actually ever saying who "the government" was in any of my posts; furthermore, I'm under the impression that there wasn't any one side wholly responsible. In one of my previous posts I mention something about key pieces, did I not? It only takes a few people, in the right positions, to do whatever they want. The right reporter can take just the right footage, a crew member on board a massive ship of thousands taking out a well respected Admiral, at just the right time of already brewing racial tension, to light the powder keg. Yes, I am of the Gallente Federation, and I'm proud of it, but mankind is so much more than under what banner you are just so happened born under.
Dr Wellesley Burden of Mars	Posted - 2008.05.16 23:37:00 - [20] Edited by: Dr Wellesley on 16/05/2008 23:37:45 It was your cynical phrase regarding piping down and waiting for "the government" to tell us that everything is okay so that we can go back into some false consumerist dystopia. To insinuate that the Gallente Federation would be the origin of that is a sizeable tangent to go off on in this discussion, bordering on irrelevence or accusation for the sake of accusation, so I must that you consider the Caldari your government. No small amount of persons can be in the right place at the right time on a mothership to take out the captain by sending it careening into a station. This isn't a holoreel movie, this is real life... it just doesn't happen like that. As for a reporter being able to take 'just the right footage', that makes no sense considering your accusation is that the Nyx was never there and it was all a setup. You can't make it look like there's a Nyx there via optical illusion or perspective. Stop the ambiguous pseudo-epic rhetoric, stop spreading outrageous conspiracy theories to make the truth look ridiculous. You are not being as subtle as you think. You've blown your cover. The Burden of Mars will hunt down those who seek to defame the reputations of the Federation or the Republic. //--< We like trees. We like trees. They're so green and ... BRANCHY!
Carbis Gallente Aristotle Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.17 00:20:00 - [21] Ooh, now we see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help, I'm being repressed! You think you can bully me into silence? You think you can march your puppies on hand to silence me from speaking what I believe to be the truth? I may be a crazy, ranting lunatic but I will never back down with any amount of intimidation! So, I say hunt me down like the guard dogs you have revealed yourself to be and I'll be waiting with a rolled up newspaper to smack you on the nose.
Arria Periclee Gallente Aristotle Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.17 00:55:00 - [22] Carbis... I believe you should call it. Now.
Carbis Gallente Aristotle Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.17 01:11:00 - [23] Yeah... called.
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui	Posted - 2008.05.17 11:35:00 - [24] Conspiracy theories are a glitch in human reasoning, and they're as common as muck. I fully agree with you that there are layers in intrigue and uncertainty surrounding this which most of us will never glimpse into, but there comes a point where you have to stop and say "no. that's a little far-fetched." That footage is fine. It was a major international peace conference, of course there were going to be press teams there, complete with camera drones. The mothership's moving fast? The damn things do sixty meters per second flat out, which is pretty bloody fast for a multi-million ton starship... and that's with the warp core online. Turn it off and suddenly they start obeying ordinary acceleration physics, which means they can do any speed they damn well please, provided they keep accelerating. what about all the crew members in both the Caldari and Gallente Navies who witnessed the event, and the ensuing battle? What about all the witnesses aboard evacuation ships? What about the fact that I have personally spent the last two days aboard that wrecked station as part of the search and rescue effort, and have constantly found bits of Nyx-class mothership embedded within it? If it's a hoax, it's a bloody convincing one. Right down to the cubic kilometers of crystalline carbonide armour plating buried in the hull. Sorry. None of your "evidence" stands up - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Cpt Lysander Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.17 13:48:00 - [25] It was a nanonyx with t2 polycarbs!
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.05.17 15:04:00 - [26] Would the Caldari Mega-corporations really command the death of one of their own, Otro Gariushi, just so they could incinuate war against the Gallente. I think not. It is a waste and would prove to be a useless effort. _____________________________ OMG I GOT A KILL GUYZ!!?>!>
D'ceet Shadows of the Dead R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.17 20:13:00 - [27] i shall wait for more evidence to either prove or disprove that it was indeed a Federation issued assault on Caldari space, if it proves to be false and it is the work of a lone Admiral hellbent on the destruction of the state, then i will send only aid to the system. if it proves to be the federation, well lets say CSS Blitzkrieg will be ready to deploy halfway across the galaxy to right many wrongs. Official D'ceet CSM Page.
Vesir Atu Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.05.17 23:37:00 - [28] Oh btw the admiral was a sleeper agent.
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.18 03:19:00 - [29] I understand the theories blaming the Caldari. Certainly there are elements in the Caldari State, like the radical Patriots, who would enjoy seeing a war. But I doubt they COULD do such a thing. To tell the truth, I don't know. Something happened on that Nyx. Something very wrong. Maybe someone hijacked it. Maybe Alexander Noir went insane. I don't know. What I do know, is that this will not end well. Though I will hope otherwise, this will probably lead to war. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom My v
Tyber Raine Caldari Gladiators of Rage DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.05.18 03:40:00 - [30] Interesting, I decided to scan through a new archive of the headlines leading up to the attack and I found one that stood out to me. While I had long held that although Tibus Heth did hate Ishukone and the Gallente he made a very contradictory statement about the Economic Summit. Tibus Heth Response to Economic Summit This statement makes me now very suspicious of Heth as it is too much of a turnabout and coincidence that he could now have a perfect excuse as to why he can not be blame. He can simply point to his comments. Now there are many plot holes and short comings to directly link Heth what has happened namely Admiral Noir's involvement but this statement makes me very suspicious. The timing is too perfect. I don't trust Heth one bit anymore. The problem for the Federation would be their indecisiveness in forming a response and it is the same lack of conviction that led to Nouvelle Rouvenor. I fear that the Federation has doomed itself if it truly had nothing to do with this heinous crime. Of course this is assuming Heth was responsible as this is simply speculation. I still think the Federation has some explaining to do even if Heth is responsible and reparations must be made although I fear as things are headed it will be in blood.

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