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Katell	Posted - 2008.05.17 09:15:00 - [1] For Factional Warfare, flying your race shiptype gives an extra bonus? Would make a wonderful battlefield?
Katell	Posted - 2008.05.17 09:15:00 - [2] For Factional Warfare, flying your race shiptype gives an extra bonus? Would make a wonderful battlefield?
Lord Haur Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.05.17 09:17:00 - [3] erm, i don't know. but if you're fighting in FW, you're RPing anyway, so you would fly your own faction's ship =D Wait for dev response or a new dev blog detailing factional warfare more. --- Sig Starts Here --- Lord Haur - Imperial Academy Logistical Support
cal nereus Koshaku Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.17 09:17:00 - [4] It would be nice. As a matter of fact, I don't see a reason not to do it: except laziness. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Lord Haur Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.05.17 09:17:00 - [5] erm, i don't know. but if you're fighting in FW, you're RPing anyway, so you would fly your own faction's ship =D Wait for dev response or a new dev blog detailing factional warfare more. --- Sig Starts Here --- Lord Haur - Imperial Academy Logistical Support
cal nereus Koshaku Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.17 09:17:00 - [6] It would be nice. As a matter of fact, I don't see a reason not to do it: except laziness. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Liranan	Posted - 2008.05.17 09:37:00 - [7] I'd like to see some missions having to be done in faction ships which are supplied by the factions themselves.
Liranan	Posted - 2008.05.17 09:37:00 - [8] I'd like to see some missions having to be done in faction ships which are supplied by the factions themselves.
4rc4ng3L Gallente Assisted Homicide Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.17 10:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Liranan I'd like to see some missions having to be done in faction ships which are supplied by the factions themselves. I think this is a brilliant idea.... The idea of for the first time having to use a set ship for a selected mission would spice things up and add variety. Would also help provide alot more challange than using your standard 'iwin' BS. ------------------------------------------ - To Jumanji, or not to Jumanji...... -
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.17 10:36:00 - [10] Hmm in Wing Commander I remember flying some Kilrathi ships.... We should not restrict pilots to their race ships only. Otherwise we should not allow folks to train all races ships and change the skill points of folks that have to other skills.
Hugh Ruka Caldari Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.05.17 11:31:00 - [11] erm .. NO ? that would not make sense as your race does not have any effect on which empire you will sign up. --- SIG --- Goumindong for CSM.
Liranan	Posted - 2008.05.17 12:18:00 - [12] Originally by: El'Niaga Hmm in Wing Commander I remember flying some Kilrathi ships.... We should not restrict pilots to their race ships only. Otherwise we should not allow folks to train all races ships and change the skill points of folks that have to other skills. Do you see the Amarr with their superiourity attitude flying any other race? Do you think the Caldari wanted to make blaster ships? Do you think the Minmatar want to use beams and the Gallente flying artillery fitted Vaga's? So while I loved Wing Commander your idea is utterly wrong. Has anyone seen the Russians using US designed or made aircraft carriers and the US Russian made submarines?
Katell	Posted - 2008.05.17 13:00:00 - [13] if you are gallente you should get some gallente bonus when in a gallente ship regardless of faction ? just as an incentive to "stick with/prefer" your race ship--?
Sir Substance	Posted - 2008.05.17 14:02:00 - [14] im down for this, as long as its a SMALL bonus, and not to something that might give a stupid edge in combat. for example, when flying a minni cruser, i could get a bonus to my sensor strength and targeting range, on account of me knowing how to use ladar sensors (growing up using them and such). this bonus might be something like 4 points to the strength and 5km to the range. useful in both PvP and PvE, but hardly unbalancing.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.17 14:16:00 - [15] Racial bonuses to ships is antithetical to the idea of eve. Vote Goumindong for CSM
Marcus Gideon	Posted - 2008.05.17 14:17:00 - [16] As much as everyone is gunning for more bonuses... this doesn't make sense. Being born in the US, you're saying I should drive a Chevy better than I do a Honda or a BMW. Ships aren't manufactured to take the user's genetics into question. They are a machine just like a toaster or a television. And although race determines what skills you started out with initially, that goes out the window the first time you train a skillbook. You mean to say that someone who started out with Gallente Frigate III "just knows it better" than someone who bought the book and trained it up to III. Factional warfare is supposed to be about whose ideals you believe in, not customer loyalty. I kinda got the impression, that if you were Gallente, flying Amarr craft, mounted with Minmatar projectile weapons, and chose to fight for the Caldari... the game wouldn't boot you on principle.
Kitoba Minmatar Legion of Dynamic Discord	Posted - 2008.05.17 14:37:00 - [17] It's all about the faction trying to claim technological superiority over the others. See that Maelstrom there? Fly that instead of your crap and I'll give you N isk plus M lp extra if you bring it home alive. Get it wasted and we'll deny any knowledge of giving it to you.
Deadeye Devie Minmatar	Posted - 2008.05.17 15:01:00 - [18] Edited by: Deadeye Devie on 17/05/2008 15:02:06 personally, i think the idea of being given a small bonus to your racial ship is a great idea. it promotes uniformity and belonging on the battlefield and will help give the FW idea a lil more visual definement, rather than seeing, say, 30 phoons on either side, backed up by sniper rohks and a few ishtars n domis....it makes it more worthwhile for a minnie to use his races ship in a certain situation. The real trick is to balance this bonus so that it isnt overpowering, in so much that a minnie could still cruise into battle flying a Domi or geddon, but could equally take a phoon in and have an ever so slight edge on any other race with identical skill/fit on thier phoon...the whole growing up with this kinda technology giving an almost second nature pre-disposition to stick to your roots!!! it wont mean limiting ur ship selection to only your race....just gives back to your character an essence of belonging to a faction and a style of tech. Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of themself without that law is both.
Slade Hoo Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.17 15:11:00 - [19] Edited by: Slade Hoo on 17/05/2008 15:12:24 i really like your idea.....but if i imagine a fight minmatar vs. amarr with racial resists....could be a very long fight with 90+ EM/Explosive. While others leveled a POS you popped a wolf with some amarrian frigates. Well...this could mean a huge comeback on the inquisitor as a uber frigate for amarr
Katell	Posted - 2008.05.17 15:33:00 - [20] well maybe not tie it to your race then but your faction if you fly for a gallente faction you get a bonus when flying a gallente ship ie. if you fly for amarr you could get a 2.5% cap recharge bonus pr ship level that race you have this way it doesn't matter towards race im thinking just a little bit towards uniformity on the battlefield --
Ezekiel Sulastin Central Research Nexus	Posted - 2008.05.17 16:36:00 - [21] So what you're saying is that restricting players' ability to choose the right tool for the job is a good thing? Heh. It doesn't matter what faction the ship is - what matters is the ideology of the brain behind it. Once you've trained to use said ship, there should not be anything standing in your way of using it optimally. ---- WTB Armor Nerf Hardener II, 10^100 isk OBO
Kitoba Minmatar Legion of Dynamic Discord	Posted - 2008.05.17 16:41:00 - [22] Maybe just boosted leadership bonuses because of +20 morale?
Katell	Posted - 2008.05.17 16:50:00 - [23] Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin So what you're saying is that restricting players' ability to choose the right tool for the job is a good thing? Heh. It doesn't matter what faction the ship is - what matters is the ideology of the brain behind it. Once you've trained to use said ship, there should not be anything standing in your way of using it optimally. what i am saying is for RP caldari ships flying for gallente vs caldari ships flying for caldari looks silly look at the FW website and look how they promote this game, Amarr fights Minmatar Gallente fights Caldari all im saying is consider some incentive for the background role players
Wren Alterana Minmatar The Baros Syndicate Kissaki Republic	Posted - 2008.05.17 16:52:00 - [24] Originally by: Katell well maybe not tie it to your race then but your faction if you fly for a gallente faction you get a bonus when flying a gallente ship ie. if you fly for amarr you could get a 2.5% cap recharge bonus pr ship level that race you have this way it doesn't matter towards race ^ this signed im thinking just a little bit towards uniformity on the battlefield -- _________ Dynamic Maps
Marcus Gideon	Posted - 2008.05.17 21:25:00 - [25] Originally by: Katell what i am saying is for RP caldari ships flying for gallente vs caldari ships flying for caldari looks silly look at the FW website and look how they promote this game, Amarr fights Minmatar Gallente fights Caldari all im saying is consider some incentive for the background role players It wouldn't matter if the Gallente side of the fight were flying battery operated rocking chairs... they'd still show up little red dots to the Caldari. Sure, it may not look right that your own merchandise is being used against you. But there is nothing to support ships getting a boost for being in close proximity to another ship of the same manufacturer. There are however, Leadership skills that boost the pilots, which is where this all needs to take place. Who cares what you fly, so long as you're killing the same enemies I am. Now if you wanted to make a support module that boosts any Caldari or Gallente ship specifically, by boosting their sensors or something... that would be interesting. Especially when you're trying to boost your 100% Caldari fleet, and yet seem to also be boosting a handful of my Caldari-flying Gallente. Since a purely technological influencing module will work for anything stamped "Made by Caldari"...
Altaica Amur	Posted - 2008.05.18 08:14:00 - [26] Personally I really do like this idea just because it changes NPCing that much more from a game of churning isk over to actually getting into the role of working for one side or another, regardless of your background I think that if you're fighting for the gallente they'll be happier to see a trusty Megathron at their side then the dreaded Raven. If NPCing is already one of the most easy to access and profitable activities in the game that dosen't force you into skills that aren't also useful for the more fun part of the game then I really don't see the problem imposing a few arbitrary restrictions on people.
Pliauga Gallente Militek Industries	Posted - 2008.05.18 08:50:00 - [27] Read the dev replies on Empyrean age. They have spoken, there will be no bonuses or drawbacks for flying a racial ship in FW. /thread ---------- DRONE love rulez!! 'mkay?! LONG range/"OUT OF SYSTEM" artillery
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.18 10:07:00 - [28] Originally by: Liranan Originally by: El'Niaga Hmm in Wing Commander I remember flying some Kilrathi ships.... We should not restrict pilots to their race ships only. Otherwise we should not allow folks to train all races ships and change the skill points of folks that have to other skills. Do you see the Amarr with their superiourity attitude flying any other race? Do you think the Caldari wanted to make blaster ships? Do you think the Minmatar want to use beams and the Gallente flying artillery fitted Vaga's? So while I loved Wing Commander your idea is utterly wrong. Has anyone seen the Russians using US designed or made aircraft carriers and the US Russian made submarines? I choose ship based on functionality not on who built it. Thus yes I do willingly fly all four races ships, and I'm decently trained in all four. And yes if the mission required it and they had it available a Russian would fly a US plane and an American would fly a Russian one. (In our world currently they don't necessarily have easy access to one anothers designs though).
Zhilia Mann	Posted - 2008.05.19 03:51:00 - [29] Originally by: El'Niaga Hmm in Wing Commander I remember flying some Kilrathi ships.... Oh god. I suddenly have an uncontrollable desire to pilot a Dralthi in EVE. Please god, make it so. As for the actual idea? Choice is part of the game. Restricting choices isn't. No go.
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.05.19 05:30:00 - [30] Edited by: Jurgen Cartis on 19/05/2008 05:30:36 Originally by: Liranan Do you see the Amarr with their superiourity attitude flying any other race? Do you think the Caldari wanted to make blaster ships? Do you think the Minmatar want to use beams and the Gallente flying artillery fitted Vaga's? So while I loved Wing Commander your idea is utterly wrong. Has anyone seen the Russians using US designed or made aircraft carriers and the US Russian made submarines? Actually, you'll find forces at war quite willing to copy enemy designs that work (provided internal politics don't **** anything up). Much effort goes into capturing enemy equipment and preventing that from happening to you. They usually put their own twist on them, but anything that works WILL be copied. What the heck did you think Operation Paperclip was all about? -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.19 05:53:00 - [31] Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 19/05/2008 05:54:33 Great idea. Since I am human, I fully expect a racial bonus to any human ship I fly. Oh wait, I guess I get a bonus to any ship in the game then Never mind that I can fly any Minnie ship except for Caps and T2 BSs, and can barely fly a caldari cruiser..... Originally by: CCP Wrangler Not it isn't, people should be encouraged to get out in low sec space, but never forced to do so.

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