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Sq7	Posted - 2008.05.19 16:00:00 - [31] Originally by: Kehmor This scam isn't really a problem as anyone likely to be targetted has been laying long enough to know better and has also been playing long enough that they shouldn't be *** footing it around in high sec anyway.[/quote Originally by:** Kehmor This scam isn't really a problem as anyone likely to be targetted has been laying long enough to know better and has also been playing long enough that they shouldn't be *** footing it around in high sec anyway. If you are a decent enough PVPer you should be able to hack it in 0.7 or 0.0 no problem. That probably accounts for the majority of the solar systems on the map. Why should 100% of the map be your domain? Or are you out on a holy crusade to persuade all that they they are missing out on your way of doing things? Why don't you just print a few quasi-religious pamphlets while you are at it? The plain fact of the matter is that scammers are the only real *** footers it in high sec. if you read a guide or two it's virtually risk free and most probably they don't have what it takes to go into decent PvP territory. Everybody else is doing some actual work. And they mean business. In high sec the rules are all bent to allow for corruption. They call it realism. What irritates me is that if CCP made just a single thing safer in 0.0 then there would be an ongodly outrage. Why should the same be true in high-sec? Why is there an outcry (from some) when I argue that a single thing (the fleet functionality) should be made safe there? Sandbox-order, order-sandbox. To opposites with enough fans on both sides. I was mentioning realism earlier: Here are some realistic consideration I think might make for a nice change... -Secure cans bigger than a portable toilet. (Wat use a toilet with a state of the art security system anyway?) -How about just marking a criminal as a criminal for half an hour or so, so that they can't dock, can't leave the system and have to dodge the PvEers for a while. Then we'd see what a mission ship can do. Then you could even say it takes skill to be a scammer. You know some carebears even collect ships just for the fun of it. Some of the toys would make most 0.0 PvPers green with envy. Imagine a 1 bil salvager. Imagine the perfect webber/jammer/scrammer... A 5 bil BS. The list goes on. The players in some systems if given some rights would make concorde look like a bunch of cheerleaders. The fact of the matter is that 4 average honest players can take out 2 average criminal players just as easily as they could take out one honest player. Gankers certainly do not give their victims much room for manuevering. Why should they then just be allowed to cruise on and have a chuckle about it while they go do a quick mission to test the new kit they got? It's unreal! :O -A working bounty system that is actually worth something, because at the moment it's nothing but another mechanism to get money from high sec to low sec and beyond where you can actually pawn these players. -Criminals who actually have to tread lightly. (This one is my favourite.) How about a reality bite from them apples? If these kind of rules could apply then I would say: Bring on the crime! :) Invent new ones! Please! I like good honest PvPing as much as the next guy...]
Sq7	Posted - 2008.05.19 16:09:00 - [32] And no. I've never been caught this way or any way which involves a gang. I was able to notice that the gang functionality is half-baked at best.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.05.19 16:21:00 - [33] Originally by: Sq7 How about just marking a criminal as a criminal for half an hour or so, so that they can't dock, can't leave the system and have to dodge the PvEers for a while. Then we'd see what a mission ship can do. Um..yeah, probably dock up, smack in local, and make a thread. Originally by: Sq7 Then you could even say it takes skill to be a scammer. It does, its called social skill Originally by: Sq7 You know some carebears even collect ships just for the fun of it. Some of the toys would make most 0.0 PvPers green with envy. Imagine a 1 bil salvager. Imagine the perfect webber/jammer/scrammer... A 5 bil BS. Most pvp'rs I know are rather wealthy. Flying around in faction deadspace fit BS is not as rare as you think. And they are being used for what they were intended...pvp. Not to farm missions. Originally by: Sq7 The fact of the matter is that 4 average honest players can take out 2 average criminal players just as easily as they could take out one honest player. The fact is they tend to panic and run, leaving their friends to die. It's very easy to chain kill carebears. They pile in with no comms, no tactics, no experience or sense.
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.05.19 18:51:00 - [34] Originally by: Sq7 And no. I've never been caught this way or any way which involves a gang. I was able to notice that the gang functionality is half-baked at best. So your ONLY posted loss that wasn't in 0.0, which is also the largest, most expensive ship you've ever lost (that was posted, at least), wasn't due to a Lofty? I'm talking about the faction fitted, rigged Megathron with railguns (instead of the PvP standard blasters) and Gist C-type Afterburner (note, not an MWD, 'cause MWD doesn't work in missions), and with all the high-level drone loot (alloys) in the cargo hold? And the Hive Mind CPU - that one? Wasn't a Lofty? Anyone who wants to see it will easily find it, so I won't bother posting a link. Darn, too late. According to Battleclinic's kb, almost every loss your corp has taken has been in 0.0, so even though I'm not in-game right now to look and see if you're involved in any current wardecs, it certainly LOOKS like you got Lofty'd. And as you say you petitioned it and the GMs told you it's NOT an exploit (which you disagreed with so much that you argued about it and were told to take it to the forums), the time frame (4-25-08) matches up nicely... we all know that ship reimbursement petitions take forever and three days, so before you say "that was a long time ago, it has nothing to do with this post," let me assure you - C&P knows better. Also, it doesn't make sense that anybody would just happen to 'notice' this without having had an experience with it (whether by doing it to someone or having it done to them, and by your posting, it's safe to assume you don't do this to people as you think it's an omgexploitshouldbanstickpeopleomg). And even if you DID just happen to 'notice' that this could be done, why would you petition a GM to ask IF it were an exploit, and upon being told it wasn't, argue and escalate it until they finally just told you to shut up and post it on the forum for the rest of EVE to tell you that it's not an exploit, but in fact a game feature that's been there forever? Most of us don't mind the crying, so much... we're used to reading stuff like this. I, personally, have a pet peeve with lies when the only purpose of the lie is to save face. Take your lumps, learn your lesson and carry on. Or you could always just quit, I guess. You seem to think 'sandbox' means 'pvp instance' or 'battleground'. The term hearkens back to sandboxes on playgrounds, where children interacted with each other. Socially. Sometimes kids would fight, and somebody would get their nose bloodies, but they'd also get a smack on the behind for being naughty. All of EVE is a 'sandbox' - not just 0.0 and lowsec. You said: Originally by: Sq7 Then there's high sec. Which one would think is a place for those who don't want to bother with all the PVPing (maybe just for a while). The only thing is that it is not. There are even ways to steal in high sec without fear. Dude... can you take a HINT? They've set the game up so that CONCORD police spawn AFTER a criminal act of aggression, not immediately upon the act, but AFTER it. They've made it so that CONCORD doesn't spawn for instances of theft AT ALL. High sec is NOT a place for those who don't want to bother with "all the PVPing". It's just a place with one of three sets of rules. You're not SUPPOSED to be safe ANYWHERE in New Eden. Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.05.19 20:22:00 - [35] What a craptastical Megathron setup. T1 guns, faction gear, passive hardeners? Hey at least you managed to get a 100MN AB and not a 1MN... That setup, this thread and you Sq7 are just lulz. Quit your crying.
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.19 21:20:00 - [36] 族---族 Latest Video : Relentless
Orar Ironfist Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2008.05.20 01:23:00 - [37] Originally by: lofty29 Come out with a new vid already Ive beenn waiittinnggg Pirate for Life(no matter my sec)
Taedrin Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.05.20 02:12:00 - [38] /facepalm at OP At least you now know not to trust anyone in this game. Not even your allies and corp mates.
Avaricia The Accursed	Posted - 2008.05.20 02:27:00 - [39] some ******* wants you to join their fleet, do you accept? No one in this fleet is in a corporation that is currently at war. However, be aware that if fellow fleet members' corporations go to war with other corporations you become vulnerable to attack by members of those corporations. You do not have the right to attack those parties unless they attack you first. NOTE: Attacking members of your fleet is not a CONCORD sanctioned activity and may result in security status loss and police response. i'll admit it's a little crude in its wording, but it does indicate you can/will be shoosted at if someone at war joins the gang. reign of terror griefmatic
Kahrek Laume Gallente Atropos Asylum	Posted - 2008.05.20 04:34:00 - [40] You know i like my solution to this problem, go red then you know you're at war with everybody, crossing -5.0 is like being a born again virgin. except there's no more awkward moments :-)
Dihania Gallente Mucho Dolor	Posted - 2008.05.20 09:03:00 - [41] As far as I know you get a warning for entering a gang that says some stuff. You than click ok or no. Clicked ok ? Risk taken. And don't argue with GM's on this one, since you lack eve support aswell. . I need isk! Accepting donations :)
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2008.05.20 14:03:00 - [42] Originally by: Sq7 A fellow corp member paid a bounty of 300mil isk just earlier today. Was it me, I ransomed a CNR the other day for 300m. I was gonna kill him too, but his mods werent worth the hassle, and I kinda felt pity (sic) for him. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars??? Your signature
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2008.05.20 14:05:00 - [43] -How about just marking a criminal as a criminal for half an hour or so, so that they can't dock, can't leave the system and have to dodge the PvEers for a while. Then we'd see what a mission ship can do. Haha, after the ransom, I sat in the safespot for at least the 15m for the timer to end. So he had ample time to kill me. After losing 300+mil, not many are up to losing more haha. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars??? Your signature
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2008.05.20 15:29:00 - [44] Originally by: Sq7 Ugh! GMs are useless. Anyway... I was pointed here so I will try. Lofty's scam is a de facto, ligua franca exploit of game mechanics. Yet the GMs tell me it is not. You invite a target to a gang. No warning. You gang jump to a safe spot. <then while you jump....> You invite another guy. And another guy who is at war with the the second guy. All hell is allowed to break loose. (or something like this. it is all a bit involved for my taste) THAT is an exploit of game mechanics. Mission ships. We all know how much people tend to invest in their mission ships. The ransoms are rediculous and invariably paid when possible. If not paid you lose your pride and joy. A fellow corp member paid a bounty of 300mil isk just earlier today. It is fair to say that you should never join fleet with anybody you do not know. This is the truth as things stand. But it is not good. I want to know what the point of high sec is. You've got a 0.0 sandbox where everything goes. Then you've got the low-sec badlands where the rules can be bent. Then there's high sec. Which one would think is a place for those who don't want to bother with all the PVPing (maybe just for a while). The only thing is that it is not. There are even ways to steal in high sec without fear. But the stealing aside. I would honestly rather just see war deccing go than to invalidate the usefulness of the function where you can form fleets with random strangers. Eve would be a better game if random fleets in high sec were safe. With faction war there will be little bits of sandbox strewn all over the place for those who crave it. Plenty of space for piracy there. I'm looking forward to it myself. Darn it's way past my bed time. Best way to avoid this is don't join gangs. You can do all the missions on your own, you don't need a gang. So don't join one or if you have to, make sure it's a gang you can trust.
TerrorBaBy Caldari Universal-Corp The Nexus Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.20 15:44:00 - [45] Originally by: Constance Harme There's always a risk when joining a gang. It's like willfully getting into a car full of strangers and then being driven out to the woods and being shot. You know the risks, so dont get into the car.. gang whatever. I BURST out laughing when I read this; thankyou . So true. Going in my signature. _______________ Originally by: Constance Harme It's like willfully getting into a car full of strangers and then being driven out to the woods and being shot.quote]
Sq7	Posted - 2008.05.20 20:44:00 - [46] What we have here is a failure to communicate. Yes. if you are clever enough to be able to get stuff from people in funky ways then so be it, but the fleet functionality is broken! At least it seems that way to me. It stinks of collateral effect. And pretty much everybody in here is wasting my time. I had a disagreement with a GM and I wanted to get my point to the developers' attention. No word from any authorative source yet (might be because some op stuck it in crime and punishment), but I say what I want so quit giving me grief. It's my thread. Think about the scam and tell me what you think. If you think CCP designed it that way that's your right and I don't mind if you say so. But please stick to the point. There's been several people who have agreed with me (mostly eloquently in good english. A sure sign of good old down to earth neural activity I might add.) - so I'm at peace.
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.05.20 20:57:00 - [47] Originally by: Sq7 THIS R MY THRED STOP FLAMEING MEH!!!! Heh. Tell you what, I'll actually help you. Type www.eve-search.com into your browser, and search Lofty. This is not an exploit, it's a game feature, devs have already replied on this topic. Your thread doesn't carry anything new or special to deserve a new dev reply. The only thing especially entertaining so far, imo, was you claiming to have never fallen victim to the Lofty scam and then the kill where you DID fall victim to it being posted here, and then Lofty29 himself posting in your thread (you should feel honored tbh). Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
Demitria Fernir Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.05.20 21:37:00 - [48] wish there was some kind of whine regulation, since thread like this are not original nor funny anymore, they become useless and repetitive: the perfect habitat for young trolls. help reducing the troll on the forum: stop doing useless whine threads. [/flame] now, to serious buisness the so called "game mechanic exploit" is not. various reason, in wich we find: GM's said so. you're an idiot. empire != safe, empire== safer. <Random Cool Guy with an IQ of at least 110> said so. It has been posted in C&P, it must be true. knowning this basic things, we can now use magic, internet and math to demostrate over every troll that all your whine is completely useless, and therefor not necessary. BUT, since we're in C&P, i can say that YOU MUST NOT ACCEPT GANGS. joinin a gang is the most dangerous action you can do in high sec, just after jumping to low-sec and just before jumping into jita. if you want to solve the problem: DO NOT ACCEPT GANGS, THEY TURN YOU INTO A PINK WARTARGET. also beware gnomes. 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101001 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101001
Sq7	Posted - 2008.05.20 21:58:00 - [49] I also want to add that thinking that people in safe space is playing the same game as people in low sec and 0 sec is unrealistic. Empire has primarily RPG content. And the aim of players generally is to make isk as fast as possible within this environment. Problems of the PvP kind seldom arise. Thus you do not get much experience in the ways of PvPing. So you fit your ship for missions. And then you mission. Or you get a barge and then you mine. And of course you don't really train skills needed for PvP. It's a whole different game. It's the same way that most PvP setups and skill sets would suck in missions. Why would you want to scram an NPC? Cloaking? Jamming? Scanning? You only nos if you can't fit your ship properly and neutralizing NPCs is just a waste of hardpoints. And of course you cannot mine in one either. I'd laugh if I actually saw somebody doing ninja style mining in high sec. That would be funny as hell with the type of roids and all. Woot! I grabbed 2300 scordite! More! More! Haha :) You also tend to solo a lot, because players don't have to rely on cooperation as much as in low and zero sec. It helps of course. You can amass truly fabulous wealth in empire through cooperation. I think the corp I am in is a good example. Anyway... So you might actually poke your nose out of a station several times a day all by your self! And I'm sure this happens a lot in 0.0 too, but I don't think in the type of ships that can successfully solo a difficult lvl4 mission. Every single thing you do and what is on your ship is thus determined by the content. Call it your environment. It's only natural. I've jumped to 0.0 a few times to join in an alliance op here and there and it is a lot of fun. I've even climbed into shuttles and sneaked my way past some pretty nasty gate camps just for the fun of it. Exilirating. I agree. I'm actually altering my future plans (skills primarily) to allow me to do it more. It is therefore after all has been said and done the content's fault that all the players who have not had any exposure to 0.0 look at it as a brick wall, they don't know how good it is yes. And I suppose it's a form of tough love to want to beat them till they come out and play. But as I have been saying the difference between a character trained up for PvE is miles from what is needed for PvP. Again.. It is basically two different games. The content is CCP's responsibility. And I think it is only fair to say that we all pay the same amount for each of our characters. Obviously factional warfare is coming in to remedy the devide that the current content is causing. I believe they've even said so several times. I hope it is a big success. The fact remains that it's unrealistic to expect players in Empire to be able to deal with PvPers. This lofty scam obviously just leaves a gap that should not be there. I don't have any problem with financial scams. I think it's probably even healthy. Finally... I lost my megathron after I lost my temper after being can-flipped. I laughed about losing the ship afterwards. I knew it was stupid. You have to be prepared to lose it right?.. :)
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.05.20 22:13:00 - [50] Originally by: Sq7 I also want to add that thinking that people in safe space is playing the same game as people in low sec and 0 sec is unrealistic. Empire has primarily RPG content. And the aim of players generally is to make isk as fast as possible within this environment. Problems of the PvP kind seldom arise. Thus you do not get much experience in the ways of PvPing. So you fit your ship for missions. And then you mission. Or you get a barge and then you mine. And of course you don't really train skills needed for PvP. It's a whole different game. If you run missions, you train combat skills. Gunnery is gunnery, whether you're PvE or PvP. Originally by: Sq7 It is therefore after all has been said and done the players' fault that all the players who have not had any exposure to 0.0 look at it as a brick wall Fixed. Quote: factional warfare is coming in to remedy the devide that the current content is causing. I believe they've even said so several times. I hope it is a big success. I hope so too, but as I said in another thread in General Discussion, unless the make a soft fluffy safety net so that you can't get ganked in lowsec while playing FW, you're still going to get ganked when you go into lowsec, so really... what's the difference? The fact that now there's new missions involved in it? Which makes it different from what we have now how? Originally by: Sq7 The fact remains that it's unrealistic to expect players in Empire to be able to deal with PvPers. This lofty scam obviously just leaves a gap that should not be there. I don't have any problem with financial scams. I think it's probably even healthy. Knowledgebase Originally by: Sq7 Finally... I lost my megathron after I lost my temper after being can-flipped. I laughed about losing the ship afterwards. I knew it was stupid. You have to be prepared to lose it right?.. :) That's even worse. The terrible and expensive fit was less silly when it was believed to have been lost to a lofty scam. That you brought that fit to intentionally pvp is just... lol Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
Sq7	Posted - 2008.05.20 22:33:00 - [51] Originally by: Demitria Fernir wish there was some kind of whine regulation, since thread like this are not original nor funny anymore, they become useless and repetitive: the perfect habitat for young trolls. help reducing the troll on the forum: stop doing useless whine threads. [/flame] now, to serious buisness the so called "game mechanic exploit" is not. various reason, in wich we find: GM's said so. you're an idiot. empire != safe, empire== safer. <Random Cool Guy with an IQ of at least 110> said so. It has been posted in C&P, it must be true. knowning this basic things, we can now use magic, internet and math to demostrate over every troll that all your whine is completely useless, and therefor not necessary. BUT, since we're in C&P, i can say that YOU MUST NOT ACCEPT GANGS. joinin a gang is the most dangerous action you can do in high sec, just after jumping to low-sec and just before jumping into jita. if you want to solve the problem: DO NOT ACCEPT GANGS, THEY TURN YOU INTO A PINK WARTARGET. also beware gnomes. Well put! Although a bit insulting. I like your zest though. I also like pina coladas and long walks in the rain. (Saying !=) <> 42. Wanna ^? Good for your eyes... Newsflash! It's a game. The rules of which are subject to little itty bitty pieces of coding. I honestly don't give a crap if my objection to something changes nothing. GMs don't scare me. I've argued with scientists lol (those guys ar staunch) C&P? Bringit! All quasi-cranial jokes and insults aside. I'll object to anything I please, erm... lady? The rules are always open for debate. Don't get huffy - Won't help. It's my last post in this thread. (clap hands/sigh a sigh of relief/touch yourself/head butt a kitten/do whatever makes you feel better about reading this thread. You wanted to.) Wind and sun at your back - Not in your eyes. hummmmm <scratches ass>
Sq7	Posted - 2008.05.20 23:11:00 - [52] I lied. Thanks for the link Havohej. Did I spell that right? In the official hints and rules book of Eve they say this about the whole gangs and wardec thing. " Aiding a player whoÆs corporation is at war Player A aids Player B who's corporation is at war with another corporation = Player A gets aggression flagged towards all players that are involved in warfare with Player B. " This implies of course things like remote armor/shield repping, etc... normally anyway. and... " Gang aggression When a character joins a gang which includes a pilot which is a member of Corporation A, which is at war with Corporation B, the newly joined character in the gang is considered to be aiding those in Corporation A, and thus may be freely attacked by any members of Corporation B. Note that the character is not a part of the war per-se, as the character cannot freely attack members of Corporation B, but the character can still be attacked by members of Corporation B without any consequences. *Due to this gang-corporation-war feature, there is a confirmation message when joining a gang* that has a member at war with another corporation, informing you of the consequences of joining the gang. " There is not one mention of how you can get into soup through circumstances such as those surrounding the lofty scam. They say that you should get a warning. The lofty neatly exploits the fact that only the corrupt creator of the fleet gets a warning. Is the fact that the fleet leader is putting his wingmen in danger like this not an offense in itself? They go on to say: "Cargo containers and wrecks are considered valid property just like drones and ships. If you damage a container/wreck, you are initiating aggression on its owner and should be ready for a security hit and Concord intervention. This is also true if you attack a gangmember's cargo container or wreck. Being in a gang does not allow you to destroy his container/wreck or his ship." I assume that if the victem of a lofty drops a container and then after the scammers have podded him they shoot at his container then concorde will fly in and pawn them. Almost a contradiction in terms. Is my container and it's contents not originally of my own ship? I say equal rights for ships and containers! I doubt reason will prevail, but... At the very least they should put the scenario in this "lofty" tome of knowledge I was referred to if they want to say that it's not against the rules. I'm going to bookmark that page and check up every now and again just for my own pleasure. Not holding my breath of course.
Kaleeb Gods Unwanted	Posted - 2008.05.20 23:16:00 - [53] /me shakes fist at Lofty... Damn Pirate
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.05.21 00:03:00 - [54] Edited by: Lady Karma on 21/05/2008 00:10:42 Sq7, the game is about shooting players, not farming missions. The quicker you learn that, the better off you will be. (This pvp, also includes market warfare, undercutting, producing rigs and T2 modules cheaper than your competitor. If you were looking for a free ride, you chose the wrong game) Originally by: Sq7 GMs don't scare me. I've argued with scientists lol (those guys ar staunch) C&P? Bringit! I somehow doubt that your subjective ranting, absent of any fact, won over many arguments with them either
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2008.05.21 04:30:00 - [55] haha this was me =] Im a happy panda =P UberBS > why? [ 2008.05.18 19:43:21 ] UberBS > i worked my ass off for this ship [ 2008.05.18 19:43:22 ] Bryg Philomena > money [ 2008.05.18 19:43:42 ] UberBS > i own50mil [ 2008.05.18 19:43:47 ] UberBS > thats it [ 2008.05.18 19:43:57 ] Bryg Philomena > that wont be enough [ 2008.05.18 19:44:07 ] Bryg Philomena > 300m and you live another day [ 2008.05.18 19:44:18 ] UberBS > i dont have that kinda isk [ 2008.05.18 19:44:29 ] UberBS > i did an hour ago until i soend it all [ 2008.05.18 19:44:37 ] Bryg Philomena > went it where? [ 2008.05.18 19:44:52 ] UberBS > come on man, i dcant afford another ship - please! [ 2008.05.18 19:45:16 ] Bryg Philomena > how about this, eject, and I will give you all your mods back [ 2008.05.18 19:45:28 ] Bryg Philomena > pirates honour [ 2008.05.18 19:45:47 ] Bryg Philomena > (they didnt let me in the scouts [ 2008.05.18 19:45:52 ] Bryg Philomena > ) [ 2008.05.18 19:45:57 ] UberBS > i dont think u r telling the truth [ 2008.05.18 19:46:14 ] Bryg Philomena > if I didnt tell the truth, how would I keep making money [ 2008.05.18 19:46:27 ] Bryg Philomena > you have 30 seconds to decide [ 2008.05.18 19:46:56 ] Bryg Philomena > 5s [ 2008.05.18 19:46:59 ] Bryg Philomena > 4 [ 2008.05.18 19:47:02 ] Bryg Philomena > 3 [ 2008.05.18 19:47:05 ] Bryg Philomena > 2 [ 2008.05.18 19:47:10 ] Bryg Philomena > 1 [ 2008.05.18 19:47:16 ] UberBS > i have your money! [ 2008.05.18 19:47:22 ] UberBS > wait [ 2008.05.18 19:47:31 ] UberBS > stop [ 2008.05.18 19:47:49 ] Bryg Philomena > hurry [ 2008.05.18 19:47:58 ] UberBS > primise i wil get my shjip! [ 2008.05.18 19:48:03 ] Bryg Philomena > promise [ 2008.05.18 19:48:15 ] UberBS > there [ 2008.05.18 19:48:22 ] Bryg Philomena > see ya =] [ 2008.05.18 19:48:51 ] Bryg Philomena > fly safe [ 2008.05.18 19:48:58 ] UberBS > ur an *****, btw Originally by:** CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars??? Your signature
Callthetruth Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.21 04:38:00 - [56] when they tell u youre an ass u shoot em
Sq7	Posted - 2008.06.10 21:43:00 - [57] MWAHAHAHAHA! They fixed the exploit!!! DORKS!!!! Wannabe freaking PVP in high sec empire wuss bags I can't wait till the first one gets pawned by Concorde :}}}} (dances the irish jig) Who's your daddy? Me -> B) I
oilio State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.10 22:00:00 - [58] Carebear whining is fun to hear, but for REAL amusement, only piebear tears will do. Piebears lost an easy exploit... I drool at their frustration If people want to fight in high sec, then there are wardecs and suicide ganks. I would hate to see these removed from high sec, but lofty was a cheap exploit and effectively prevented anyone from co-operating in a gang with anyone they didn't know well. I doubt that was helpful to the game overall. Anyway, whether it's better for the game or not, it frustrates the cheap players who used this tactic and that's great. It's a defeat for them for sure - they will have to use stand-up-and-fight tactics more now. They'll hate that. Maybe none of them will care, but I really really hope (fingers crossed) that it upsets some of them. If it just makes one of them miserable, it will be worth it. Joyous day!
Mac Caylen Sub-Genius inc	Posted - 2008.06.10 22:23:00 - [59] i'm jsut amazed people are still falling for this.
Praxis1452 Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.10 22:34:00 - [60] Originally by: Sq7 MWAHAHAHAHA! They fixed the exploit!!! DORKS!!!! Wannabe freaking PVP in high sec empire wuss bags I can't wait till the first one gets pawned by Concorde :}}}} (dances the irish jig) Who's your daddy? Me -> B) I It was fixed because of FW, not because it was an exploit. -------------------------------------------- ôHe who must expend his life to prolong life cannot enjoy it, and he who is still seeking for his life does not have it and can as little enjoy it"

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