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Kersh Marelor Amarr Federal European Industry Science and Research	Posted - 2008.05.19 11:24:00 - [1] So we've been given the Gallente response. Nothing surprising there. To admit the attack was planed would be insanity and it did not seem likely anyways. To try and defend the madman Noir turned out to be would be likewise stupid. Diplomatic response that comes too late. To offer the resources of the Federation now that only the 'mop-up' operation is considered seems to be kind of cynical though. What will come out of the concerns rising about the destruction of Gallente escort is also intriguing - the Caldari had every right to suspect an all-out attack and acted in self defense. Very interesting that unlike some predicted with rising conspiracy theories, the account of events presented by Ishukone and The Scope was accurate.
Kohiko Sun Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.19 11:35:00 - [2] Quote: Meanwhile, the streets of Caldari Prime remain eerily quiet since Otro Gariushi's appeal for calm in the days leading up to the Malkalen Economic Summit, and there have been no additional reports of violence against Gallente expatriates in Caldari space. It is good to see some people are able to remember their faces and respect the wishes of our honored dead. May those of us here in the skies follow their example. This is where I found my sig.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.05.19 11:58:00 - [3] Originally by: Kohiko Sun Quote: Meanwhile, the streets of Caldari Prime remain eerily quiet since Otro Gariushi's appeal for calm in the days leading up to the Malkalen Economic Summit, and there have been no additional reports of violence against Gallente expatriates in Caldari space. It is good to see some people are able to remember their faces and respect the wishes of our honored dead. May those of us here in the skies follow their example. They didn't say the streets were quiet, they said they were eerily quiet. You know what eerie silence means, don't you? There's always eerie silence before a whole pile of people die in the movies.
Kohiko Sun Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.19 12:03:00 - [4] Then, it is good this is no holo, Pilot Shogaatsu. This is where I found my sig.
Karanth Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.19 12:07:00 - [5] Oh, I'm sure SOMEONE will supply us with piles of bodies. Now, let me check my ammo supplies....
Rakk Ashari Gallente Merch Industrial	Posted - 2008.05.19 12:09:00 - [6] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu You know what eerie silence means, don't you? There's always eerie silence before a whole pile of people die in the movies. Gotta say, this is almost certainly true. Most people are likely still in shock from the events. I would imagine that soon enough the conflicts will erupt with yet unseen fury.
Yarod Cool Team JAVELIN Celestial Imperative	Posted - 2008.05.19 12:58:00 - [7] I have a suggestion for President Fouritain, Senator Blaque, and anyone else in the Federation government who might be listening: We should take full responsibility for that Admiral's suicide attack, and pay the entire rescue, recovery, cleanup, and rebuilding costs, and damages to everyone who was hurt or killed in the attack. That was our Admiral who took our mothership and put it into the station, and it's our reputation that's on the line. Not to mention it might be the only thing to stop the warmongers once the shock is over and they start calling for revenge. Yeah, I know it will be an insane amount of ISK, but it's really the only right thing to do now.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.19 13:10:00 - [8] The Federation still has a whole load of questions to answer. Not least among them is: if Noir was really acting alone, why were his criminal tendencies not detected during one of his regular evaluations? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.05.19 13:26:00 - [9] Originally by: Rodj Blake The Federation still has a whole load of questions to answer. Not least among them is: if Noir was really acting alone, why were his criminal tendencies not detected during one of his regular evaluations? Well they let you operate ships in Federation space, don't they? ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Beletre Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.19 13:28:00 - [10] The Federation is based upon the idea of Freedom. The problem with freedom is that sometimes people will use it to do horrible things. My question is how exactly did Noir pull off the manuvering of the Nyx? Such ships don't fly froma solo pilot, the senior crew at least had to be a part of the whole thing. But, for a ship part of an offical delegation, it seems to me there should have been some sort of safety system to prevent such an event.... automated anti-collision systems, emergency over-ride.... something. My bet says there will be some major policy changes on how capital sized ships and larger are piloted.
Janth Felan Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.19 13:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Beletre The Federation is based upon the idea of Freedom. The problem with freedom is that sometimes people will use it to do horrible things. My question is how exactly did Noir pull off the manuvering of the Nyx? Such ships don't fly froma solo pilot, the senior crew at least had to be a part of the whole thing. But, for a ship part of an offical delegation, it seems to me there should have been some sort of safety system to prevent such an event.... automated anti-collision systems, emergency over-ride.... something. My bet says there will be some major policy changes on how capital sized ships and larger are piloted. Although your ideas make sense, i cant see them being implemented, the admiral 'was' held with such high regard, if you cannot trust your most seniour officers, who can you trust. The point im getting at is the admiral was flying the nyx, if anyone had controls or had pre arranged procedures to counteract these things it would probalby be him. This was an isolated incident and could not be prepared for. The question on everyone minds is how things progress frome here. I do find it appauling how people are talking about the Amarr and the Matari relations.
Stitcher Caldari Rin-Ruuka Kyun	Posted - 2008.05.19 16:20:00 - [12] Edited by: Stitcher on 19/05/2008 16:21:13 Well, it was late in coming... but better late than never at all. Originally by: Beletre My question is how exactly did Noir pull off the manuvering of the Nyx? Such ships don't fly from a solo pilot, the senior crew at least had to be a part of the whole thing. Not so: Noir was a capsuleer. The advantage (and in this case, flaw) to the capsule system, as you're well aware, is that it negates the need for a CIC or command officers, even on capital and supercapital-sized vessels. As such, Noir's control over his vessel was absolute. Maybe the Gallente Navy maintain a CIC and command staff for redundancy purposes anyway - but I doubt anybody on board would have had the authority to lock out Noir's control of the vessel... or at least, not quickly enough to avert the collision. As for why.... I have a theory. Alexander Noir was a veteran - the only remaining veteran - of the Gallente-Caldari war. Nobody endures a war unscarred, especially not one as ferocious and bloody as ours was. If you are lucky, the scars are merely physical. If not, the scars run deeper. I very much doubt that Noir's soil was left unmarked by the experience. I suspect that his career, and the actions that led to his being awarded the Aidonis, may have been an attempt on his part to atone for his role in the conflict - an attempt to erase the stain left upon his soul. But for what? Recognition? At the end of the day, the so-called "achievements" he worked on for a century unravelled effectively overnight, with open rioting on Caldari Prime, and dead citizens of both nations, killed by undercurrents of hatred and bigotry that he never erased, not with his entire long career of work. And then one man stood up and achieved, in one speech, more than he himself had managed to accomplish in a hundred and ten years. I think he snapped. Maybe that old wound on Noir's soul was reopened by the rioting, and that Otro Gariushi then, unknowingly, went and rubbed salt in it. Maybe the whole thing was driven by blinding jealousy. Maybe he came to believe that if lifetime of hard work could not bring about peace, then the only way to end the violence was the eradication of one faction, and tried to steer the galaxy onto a course where it could happen. Maybe he found himself in a Caldari system, at the head of a Gallente fleet, surrounded by a Caldari fleet, and had a flashback, a half-lucid hallucination that the war was still on. My theory is that the man simply wasn't himself when he chose to ram the station. Unfortunately, whatever thought it was that drove him to that end died with him. I doubt the people of New Eden will ever receive a satisfactory answer. In the meantime, a friend of mine and I have been discussing how this event, and the warmongering, saber-rattling and jingoism it has prompted, could, in theory, be interpreted as matching the fourth of the Macaper prophecies. Personally, I've never brought into those things, but it made for interesting discussion... - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Redbad Minmatar Tempered Steel Legion	Posted - 2008.05.19 16:24:00 - [13] Edited by: Redbad on 19/05/2008 16:25:12 I find the words of President Souro Foiritan plausible, albeit meager with resolve, in light of the events. RB edit: spelling
Rylech Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.19 17:15:00 - [14] Edited by: Rylech on 19/05/2008 17:16:36 Edited by: Rylech on 19/05/2008 17:16:17 Diplomatically, there is nothing for it--the Federation denies it and therefore per se it is no justification for a formal state of war. Of course this does not negate the copious amounts of other greivances. I anticipate many conspiracy theories, and the Federation is in an impossible situation--even if they do countless official inquiries and amass a mountain of evidence supporting that Admiral Noir did indeed act alone, there will always be those who say, "Yes, but what did you do with the real evidence?" It is like asking an covert agent how he really does his spying. If he told you, would you believe him?
Ewyx Caldari Half-light Labs Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2008.05.19 17:37:00 - [15] Personally, I'm surprised it took so long for him to make a statement. He should have offered the support of the federation at the first moment he knew that the station was hit. Anyway, I hope the president speaks the truth, though deep down inside, I doubt it. Actions such as the one of mr. Noir leave consequences. Let's hope the Gallente will do the right thing, before all hell breaks loose, but with all the foolish pride with everyone around here, not just the Gallente, I don't think the matter will be resolved before it escalates. There's enough things to worry about, and I don't like the idea of having to worry about some Gallente/Minmatar nut, thinking it's a good idea to blast my ship, just because I wasn't born in the same system.
Lhasa Arlen Amarr Trance Guild	Posted - 2008.05.19 17:38:00 - [16] Originally by: Yarod Cool I have a suggestion for President Fouritain, Senator Blaque, and anyone else in the Federation government who might be listening: We should take full responsibility for that Admiral's suicide attack, and pay the entire rescue, recovery, cleanup, and rebuilding costs, and damages to everyone who was hurt or killed in the attack. That was our Admiral who took our mothership and put it into the station, and it's our reputation that's on the line. Not to mention it might be the only thing to stop the warmongers once the shock is over and they start calling for revenge. Yeah, I know it will be an insane amount of ISK, but it's really the only right thing to do now. When you say "we", Mr. Cool, are you referring to Team JAVELIN? Otherwise, I would guess that your advice to the Administration would be unwelcome.
Kudon Astraisx Minmatar 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.19 18:37:00 - [17] The content of the statement is appreciated. The timing is not. --
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.19 18:44:00 - [18] They took an awful long time. Why is that? I say its because they were discussing if they could get away with it or not. Verdict : Guilty Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
Fox Vulcan Gallente LYF Naval Academy	Posted - 2008.05.19 18:58:00 - [19] If you bothered reading, you would see a (I would say plausible) explanation for the lenght of time taken. Given that a lot of diplomats were killed during the crash, it probably took a fair time to actually get anything organised at all. That said, I would agree with the idea to pay reparations. Given the economic boom we were enjoying, it shouldnt be that hard. We can help re-build the station, at the very least, and, although no ammount of ISK will bring back those who are lost, at least we can try and do something for those who lost friends and family. Its far from perfect, but, after such a time, what is? **************************** "For Honour and Glory."
Kersh Marelor Amarr Federal European Industry Science and Research	Posted - 2008.05.19 19:30:00 - [20] Originally by: Fox Vulcan If you bothered reading, you would see a (I would say plausible) explanation for the lenght of time taken. Given that a lot of diplomats were killed during the crash, it probably took a fair time to actually get anything organised at all. The explanation provided is as far as I am concerned ridiculous. The "exhaustive and ongoing investigation" into Noir's actions and a search for any clues that might have provided advanced warning of such as attack may have been carried out together with supporting the relief operations when they were still active. And for sure they could have managed a simple - 'we don't have a bloody idea why this guy did it, but we're looking into it'. Seems that Gallente government just can't manage more than one action at once. Hope you keep them breathing somehow. But then maybe you shouldn't.
Dionisius Gallente The Circle STYX.	Posted - 2008.05.19 19:44:00 - [21] Location: Malkalen Aboard the FN Deliverance... < GALLNET COMS ONLINE > Great Ancestors... the station is a complete wreck. Image fragments from live feed. FEED1 FEED2 FEED3 FEED4 FEED5 Let us wait for Noir's awake in his new clone, there are alot of questions that need to answered. < GALNET COMMS DISCONNECTED > _____________________________________ I am the destroyer of worlds and the also the cokie thief.
Zapp Brenigan Caldari Terran Resurrection	Posted - 2008.05.19 23:41:00 - [22] Words are cheap President Foiritan. As stated so eloquently previously in this thread, maybe the Gallente Government should be paying reparations, cleanup, rebuilding and medical costs/bereavement to Ishukone and the victims. He did offer "the full resources of his nation" to assist to those in need. Lets see the Gallente make good on that promise.
Kudon Astraisx Minmatar 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.20 01:16:00 - [23] Originally by: Fox Vulcan If you bothered reading, you would see a (I would say plausible) explanation for the lenght of time taken. Given that a lot of diplomats were killed during the crash, it probably took a fair time to actually get anything organised at all. Clearly we have different thresholds for plausibility. --
Rychter Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.20 12:20:00 - [24] The slowness of response explained by the fact that government is stupidity sent to college. So a tragedy stikes and instead of regarding the plight of the suffering, officials think, "How does this affect US?" So they navel-gaze for days on end coming up with a perfect critique-proof repsonse. And of course everyone jumps on them for taking so long. Braugh!
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2008.05.20 16:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Rychter The slowness of response explained by the fact that government is stupidity sent to college. So a tragedy stikes and instead of regarding the plight of the suffering, officials think, "How does this affect US?" So they navel-gaze for days on end coming up with a perfect critique-proof repsonse. And of course everyone jumps on them for taking so long. Braugh! I haven't seen any help offered from the Amarr or the Minmatar... So, after having one of the admirals going rogue, having the whole escort destroyed, the Federation finally accepted facts, blamed no one not feed hatred between people. If it was not the Federation, I guess war would be already here, can the Amarr stand still after such an insult to their fleet? Wouldn't the tribes raise and call for vengeance after those that destroyed the escort? Think about it, everyone isn't kind as the actual Gallente president, he opened the way for peace, it's now up to everyone to take this path or rush into bloody hatred against the Gallente people when only a little group (Admiral Noir and his officers onboard of the Nyx, I guess they could have stopped him) commited a crime. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Assault Frigates MK II
Kersh Marelor Amarr Federal European Industry Science and Research	Posted - 2008.05.20 17:25:00 - [26] Edited by: Kersh Marelor on 20/05/2008 17:26:44 Originally by: Eleana Tomelac I haven't seen any help offered from the Amarr or the Minmatar... For it was neither Empire's nor Republic's responsibility. It was Federation's Nyx commanded by Federation's Admiral. And the Federation takes responsibility for that - no matter whether the man was sane or not. As the big FNS right in front of the name Wandering Saint suggests it was Federation's responsibility. The fact that the federation allowed a crypto-maniac to fly one of its motherships... well, pinacle of irresponsibility. EDIT: Also one thing I forgot to add. The Theology Council was quicker to call for mourning than the Gallente president to say it was not Federation acting but Noir alone. That is preposterous. Originally by: Eleana Tomelac Think about it, everyone isn't kind as the actual Gallente president, he opened the way for peace, it's now up to everyone to take this path or rush into bloody hatred against the Gallente people when only a little group (Admiral Noir and his officers onboard of the Nyx, I guess they could have stopped him) commited a crime. That sounds like an attempt to find some great good where there is very little. What other options did your president have? Maybe saying it was jolly good fun to watch the station burn? That it was some sort of conspiracy, when we all could see not a single Federation vessel came to investigate the site? It was not heroic leap for peace but really the only reasonable thing to be done.
Hori To NorCorp Security eXceed.	Posted - 2008.05.20 21:37:00 - [27] since the man was a podder, he'll have a clone somewhere.
SolusLunes Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.05.20 23:08:00 - [28] Originally by: Hori To since the man was a podder, he'll have a clone somewhere. Quite right. Now the question is, where? If it is in the Gallente Navy's controlled systems, then there is the possibility that this was a "mistake". I use that term in the loosest possible manner- e.g. flashback, snapping and going crazy, heat of the moment sort of things. As such, I would expect him disciplined and removed from command, if not incarcerated/terminated. If he is not incarcerated/terminated, that can be interpreted (quite easily, I might add) as Gallente-sponsored and condoned slaughter. If that is the case, let retribution be swift and painful for the Federation's underhanded tactics. But the second possibility (and in all honesty, the one I see as more likely) is that if he wakes up in non-empire space one day, then we can assume that this was preplanned. By him alone or by the Federation itself, that would be unclear. But he would become kill-on-sight for just about everyone (with the exception of Gallente/Minmatar extremists that support his action. They must exist, there are always extremist groups. One may say that an entire faction is based off of the extremist group model.) But if he DOES wake up in non-empire space, then it is possible that it was merely preplanned by him and maybe a few co-conspirators. For which the Federation does not deserve the vengeful wrath of the dead. As such, I would like to see cooler heads prevail. Let us see where he wakes up and what the Federation's response to that is. I can hardly imagine the Federation unplugging his clones, as such actions would not support President Foiritan's statements of an "exhaustive and ongoing investigation", and would, in fact, fall more under the category of "destroying the evidence". Which would point rather conclusively toward Federation complicity. Let us see where and how he wakes up. This may be all the answer we need, without the necessity of wasting ammunition and blood. -------- Real men are not born, rather, created in tubes.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.21 00:18:00 - [29] This is hearsay, but ... I was told a couple of days ago that Admiral Noir evidently shut down his capsule's consciousness relay system shortly before impact. If true, this would render him permanently dead by his own hand, and beyond the reach of either our vengeance or our ability to question him. His last broadcast certainly seemed to suggest that he meant to die. Ghost Festival is recruiting!
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.21 02:06:00 - [30] This travesty is made even worse by the complete lack of responsibility shown by the Federation in taking responsibility for their Admirals actions. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS

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