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Tarren Jade
Claws of the Demon TERRA FIRMA.
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Posted - 2012.03.06 08:15:00 -
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Hi there, I have a tengu and used to use a drake, but I just kinda tagged along with a friend a while back. Now I want to do them again but I am not finding info on them that well. I am currently in a corp that I don't want to leave but I would like to learn the ropes on how to do them so I can start doing them as ops in my corp. Anyways if someone could help me with some info that would be great.
Tarren |

Dilligafmofo
Sandman Plc Laika.
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Posted - 2012.03.06 09:23:00 -
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I doubt anyone will give you a full brief here knowing that your fleet will then come and eat into their profits.
Your best bet is to find an incursion fleet that will take you with them. You can then after a few completed sites, make notes as to the spawn triggers and such.
Good luck. |

Arcan Winter
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.06 09:48:00 -
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You should find te information you need at http://incursionguide.wordpress.com/2011/03/19/incursions-101/. Beside that, join fleets and learn the ropes on the way. |

Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad Chained Reactions
6
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Posted - 2012.03.10 03:07:00 -
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Go join up in some random VG shield fleets with a HAM or HM Tengu. Dnt use a drake, thatw as so 6 months ago. After 10 or so youll get the hang of em...they;re incredibly easy. |

Simi Kusoni
The Synergy Cascade Imminent
289
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Posted - 2012.03.10 03:14:00 -
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If you want to get into incursion fleets just join the channel "btl pub", make sure to let them know go petition blizzard (the corp) sent you and you'll learn a lot about incursions and how they are run. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

Herr Ronin
Nova Cascade
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Posted - 2012.03.12 03:00:00 -
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Eww
Simi Kusoni wrote:If you want to get into incursion fleets just join the channel "btl pub", make sure to let them know go petition blizzard (the corp) sent you and you'll learn a lot about incursions and how they are run.
Even more Eww.
Hey there!
If you are looking for a great incursion community try ISN - Incursion Shiny Network, When you get more with incursions, This community is maybe a choice when you get a pirate faction bs!
Good Luck!
ISN Link: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74543&find=unread
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Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
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Posted - 2012.04.16 07:55:00 -
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Herr Ronin wrote:Eww Simi Kusoni wrote:If you want to get into incursion fleets just join the channel "btl pub", make sure to let them know go petition blizzard (the corp) sent you and you'll learn a lot about incursions and how they are run. Even more Eww. Hey there! If you are looking for a great incursion community try ISN - Incursion Shiny Network, When you get more with incursions, This community is maybe a choice when you get a pirate faction bs! Good Luck! ISN Link: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74543&find=unread
shame on you ronin! giving tengu pilots false hope! |

July Oumis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.16 09:35:00 -
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ISN sending Macha Pilots with 1400 DPS fits on a 3 week waiting list AND giving Drake/ Tengu Pilots a link on the Forums to join up...
nice joke bro... |

Herr Ronin
ISN - Management ISN - Incursion Shiny Network
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:52:00 -
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July Oumis wrote:ISN sending Macha Pilots with 1400 DPS fits on a 3 week waiting list AND giving Drake/ Tengu Pilots a link on the Forums to join up...
nice joke bro...
Are Thy Mad?
If you use your "Brain" somthing you seem to lack, If he reads the forum thread he would see that he would need a Pirate Faction BS, This means he can earn more isk without his tengu.
Why so much hate? <3 |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:54:00 -
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Herr Ronin wrote:July Oumis wrote:ISN sending Macha Pilots with 1400 DPS fits on a 3 week waiting list AND giving Drake/ Tengu Pilots a link on the Forums to join up...
nice joke bro... Are Thy Mad? Holy crap, you actually made a corp/alliance advertising your existence as a bunch of incursion shiny bears 
Should be interesting when the war dec mechanics changes go live.
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Herr Ronin
ISN - Management ISN - Incursion Shiny Network
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Posted - 2012.04.16 12:03:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Herr Ronin wrote:July Oumis wrote:ISN sending Macha Pilots with 1400 DPS fits on a 3 week waiting list AND giving Drake/ Tengu Pilots a link on the Forums to join up...
nice joke bro... Are Thy Mad? Holy crap, you actually made a corp/alliance advertising your existence as a bunch of incursion shiny bears  Should be interesting when the war dec mechanics changes go live.
The new war mechanics will be interesting, Regarding the shiny bears, It makes me laugh when everyone thinks we use our mains to run Incursions, Plus if we get dec'd, Its some free lolz if it isnt a 1 man corp.. ;)
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
614
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Posted - 2012.04.16 13:59:00 -
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Herr Ronin wrote:The new war mechanics will be interesting, Regarding the shiny bears, It makes me laugh when everyone thinks we use our mains to run Incursions, Plus if we get dec'd, Its some free lolz if it isnt a 1 man corp.. ;)
Hehe, true. Still, surely you aren't using NPC corp alts to run incursions?
The new war dec mechanics should have interesting repercussions for shiny incursion corps either way, if they truly do remove dec shield mechanics and reduce the effectiveness of corp hopping then incursions might actually end up being quite a bit of fun 
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Herr Ronin
ISN - Management ISN - Incursion Shiny Network
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Posted - 2012.04.16 14:04:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Herr Ronin wrote:The new war mechanics will be interesting, Regarding the shiny bears, It makes me laugh when everyone thinks we use our mains to run Incursions, Plus if we get dec'd, Its some free lolz if it isnt a 1 man corp.. ;)
Hehe, true. Still, surely you aren't using NPC corp alts to run incursions? The new war dec mechanics should have interesting repercussions for shiny incursion corps either way, if they truly do remove dec shield mechanics and reduce the effectiveness of corp hopping then incursions might actually end up being quite a bit of fun 
Yes it will, Didn't they state the war cost would be totalled by how big the alliance is, If so, Just make tons of trial account/characters and flood your corp.
Wooooop |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
614
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Posted - 2012.04.16 14:19:00 -
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Herr Ronin wrote:Yes it will, Didn't they state the war cost would be totalled by how big the alliance is, If so, Just make tons of trial account/characters and flood your corp.
Wooooop True, but they also claimed it will not count trial accounts. So even if you triple alliance size by forcing all members to use all their character slots the effect would (probably) be negligible. They're also adding a cost to corp hopping, and not allowing players to leave then rejoin during an ongoing war.
I'm just hoping that this forces incursion corps, and other high profile high sec targets, to use mercenaries or the new surrender mechanism rather than just hop corp or dec shield.
If it works out well it might even convince me to come back to HS for a while And if it works really well I wouldn't even mind them toning down the planned incursion nerfs a little, high sec with functional war dec mechanics would certainly qualify as a pretty risky base of operations in my book.
Anyhoo, sorry for derailing thread, just found the concept of an incursion shiny alliance amusing 
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Herr Ronin
ISN - Management ISN - Incursion Shiny Network
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Posted - 2012.04.16 14:50:00 -
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July Oumis wrote:ISN sending Macha Pilots with 1400 DPS fits on a 3 week waiting list AND giving Drake/ Tengu Pilots a link on the Forums to join up...
nice joke bro...
1400 dps?
Cool Story bro. |

Secktar
Hell's Horsemen
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:38:00 -
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Herr Ronin wrote:July Oumis wrote:ISN sending Macha Pilots with 1400 DPS fits on a 3 week waiting list AND giving Drake/ Tengu Pilots a link on the Forums to join up...
nice joke bro... 1400 dps? Cool Story bro.
[Machariel, New Setup 1] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot]
[empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L [empty high slot]
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Ogre II x3 Hammerhead II x2
Closer to 1500 dps then 1400... Go back to those incursions. |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
615
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:41:00 -
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Secktar wrote:Closer to 1500 dps then 1400... Go back to those incursions. Because only real pros use Hail.
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Herr Ronin
ISN - Management ISN - Incursion Shiny Network
25
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:41:00 -
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Secktar wrote:Herr Ronin wrote:July Oumis wrote:ISN sending Macha Pilots with 1400 DPS fits on a 3 week waiting list AND giving Drake/ Tengu Pilots a link on the Forums to join up...
nice joke bro... 1400 dps? Cool Story bro. [Machariel, New Setup 1] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Ogre II x3 Hammerhead II x2 Closer to 1500 dps then 1400... Go back to those incursions.
Yes because the guy you are shooting is going to be rite in your optimal, Your drones are going to be on top of him for the entire fight, In theory you are not doing 1500 dps, Hail? What if he is shield tanked?
Bring that to a OTA i will out "DPS" You with my rail vindi, It makes me sad that people think high DPS wins the day. its how effective you can apply the DPS.
Go back to the drawing board Kido.
Nice try. |

Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
405
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:58:00 -
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And that was when I realized that lurking in ISN's pub chan was time wasted. What a douche. 
Besides, VG fleets are about to become irrelevant after the upcoming nerf. Better to get in with a good HQ community. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |

Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:58:00 -
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Herr Ronin wrote:
Go back to the drawing board Kido.
Nice try.
Hail got a nice buff with crucible and is now at least sometimes useable, even outside optimal range. |
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.04.16 16:03:00 -
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Tenris Anis wrote:Hail got a nice buff with crucible and is now at least sometimes useable, even outside optimal range. Usable, maybe, but a 20km falloff reduction and 0.02 reduction to tracking is rarely going to translate into optimal.
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Secktar
Hell's Horsemen
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Posted - 2012.04.16 16:14:00 -
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Herr Ronin wrote:Secktar wrote:Herr Ronin wrote:July Oumis wrote:ISN sending Macha Pilots with 1400 DPS fits on a 3 week waiting list AND giving Drake/ Tengu Pilots a link on the Forums to join up...
nice joke bro... 1400 dps? Cool Story bro. [Machariel, New Setup 1] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Ogre II x3 Hammerhead II x2 Closer to 1500 dps then 1400... Go back to those incursions. Yes because the guy you are shooting is going to be rite in your optimal, Your drones are going to be on top of him for the entire fight, In theory you are not doing 1500 dps, Hail? What if he is shield tanked? Bring that to a OTA i will out "DPS" You with my rail vindi, It makes me sad that people think high DPS wins the day. its how effective you can apply the DPS. Go back to the drawing board Kido. Nice try.
Ok Douche bag, you told the guy it wasnt possible. Now you know it is. Everything changes depending on the situation. Oh and there is somthing on your chin Kido. |

Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.16 16:41:00 -
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Secktar wrote:Herr Ronin wrote:Secktar wrote:Herr Ronin wrote:July Oumis wrote:ISN sending Macha Pilots with 1400 DPS fits on a 3 week waiting list AND giving Drake/ Tengu Pilots a link on the Forums to join up...
nice joke bro... 1400 dps? Cool Story bro. [Machariel, New Setup 1] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Ogre II x3 Hammerhead II x2 Closer to 1500 dps then 1400... Go back to those incursions. Yes because the guy you are shooting is going to be rite in your optimal, Your drones are going to be on top of him for the entire fight, In theory you are not doing 1500 dps, Hail? What if he is shield tanked? Bring that to a OTA i will out "DPS" You with my rail vindi, It makes me sad that people think high DPS wins the day. its how effective you can apply the DPS. Go back to the drawing board Kido. Nice try. Ok Douche bag, you told the guy it wasnt possible. Now you know it is. Everything changes depending on the situation. Oh and there is somthing on your chin Kido.
The above fit would explain why a 1k4 dps Mach pilot was sent to a waiting list. Everybody can agree on this I believe.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
619
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Posted - 2012.04.16 16:44:00 -
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Secktar wrote:Ok Douche bag, you told the guy it wasnt possible. No he didn't He just said cool story bro, as in "oh wow a 1400 DPS mach, who the hell cares?!".
You can beat 1400 DPS easily with enough officer mods, without even bothering to fit hail. It just isn't that much of an achievement unless it is fitted expensively or cleverly.
Judging from the fact that this guy has been on a waiting list for three weeks I'm going to presume he just loaded up EFT and spent 10 minutes going "HURR, DURR, MOAR DEEPS".
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Herr Ronin
ISN - Management ISN - Incursion Shiny Network
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Posted - 2012.04.16 17:15:00 -
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Can't we all just get along!
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Herr Ronin
ISN - Management ISN - Incursion Shiny Network
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Posted - 2012.04.16 17:16:00 -
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Secktar wrote:Herr Ronin wrote:Secktar wrote:Herr Ronin wrote:July Oumis wrote:ISN sending Macha Pilots with 1400 DPS fits on a 3 week waiting list AND giving Drake/ Tengu Pilots a link on the Forums to join up...
nice joke bro... 1400 dps? Cool Story bro. [Machariel, New Setup 1] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Ogre II x3 Hammerhead II x2 Closer to 1500 dps then 1400... Go back to those incursions. Yes because the guy you are shooting is going to be rite in your optimal, Your drones are going to be on top of him for the entire fight, In theory you are not doing 1500 dps, Hail? What if he is shield tanked? Bring that to a OTA i will out "DPS" You with my rail vindi, It makes me sad that people think high DPS wins the day. its how effective you can apply the DPS. Go back to the drawing board Kido. Nice try. Ok Douche bag, you told the guy it wasnt possible. Now you know it is. Everything changes depending on the situation. Oh and there is somthing on your chin Kido.
Are Thy Mad? |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
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Posted - 2012.04.16 17:57:00 -
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yes hail got buffed, no its not better then RFPP even in NMCs, because projectiles are all based on %falloff RFPP still does more damage :( its sad but true and thats not even taking tracking into account |

Arth Ostus
Tax Shield
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Posted - 2012.04.17 06:20:00 -
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Keith Planck wrote:yes hail got buffed, no its not better then RFPP even in NMCs, because projectiles are all based on %falloff RFPP still does more damage :( its sad but true and thats not even taking tracking into account
I suppose I don't understand why this is the case or what i've missed. I don't run incursions; so I'm not sure what range you're shooting the rats or what tracking them is like. I am pretty good at math though
In the discussed fit above if you were to fit on 3 15/30 optimal/falloff mods via tracking enhancer II's or optimal range scripted tracking computer II's, (which doesn't seem to be completely out of the question) you'd end up with at all V's
hail 1209dps, 4233m optimal, 51,826m falloff rfpp 1083dps 4233m optimal, 69,102m falloff barrage 863dps 8467m optimal, 103,653m falloff
now I've ignored tracking if your chance to hit is x your average dps is approximately expecteddps*((1+x)/2)*x
with that I get Hail doing most DPS until ~30km (full to ~920 dps) RFPP doing best at ~30km-44km ( ~920-764 dps) barrage is the most beyond ~44km ~(764-0 dps) at some point range wise you'd be better off switching to Artllery range wise
Obviously rfpp tracks better. So at a certain point (most likely) less than 30k rfpp will come back around. What point that is depends on what you're shooting, which i'll admit I'm clueless
I'll assume worst case, so I looked up briefly what the orbit range and orbit speed of the frigs were at what their sigs are and I get an average effective angular velocity of 0.44989512 (actual angular * 400 / sig). with a range from 0.303-0.679 which is well out of range for hitting for any of the ammunitions above without some help from webs, target painters, and scripting tracking speed tracking computers. 3 60% webs lower it to 0.05783 which is closer to the range of hittable for all of them but they'll all struggle to get close to full dps
Anything larger than that frig example will be easily tracked if it's webbed or painted by even the hail ammo
it isn't practical to switch ammo a lot in the middle of a fight, so pick the one thats best for your range and target size
if there is something I missed I'd like to know, I want to make better fits.
these are the equations I plugged into a graph to find intercept hail : y=1209*((1+(0.5^(((x-4233)/51826)^2)))/2)*(0.5^(((x-4233)/51826)^2) RFPP: y=1083*((1+(0.5^(((x-4233)/69102)^2)))/2)*(0.5^(((x-4233)/69102)^2) Barrage: y=863*((1+(0.5^(((x-8467)/103653)^2)))/2)*(0.5^(((x-8467)/103653)^2) |

Philderbeast
M.I.M.M.S Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2012.04.17 09:31:00 -
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Arth Ostus wrote:Keith Planck wrote:yes hail got buffed, no its not better then RFPP even in NMCs, because projectiles are all based on %falloff RFPP still does more damage :( its sad but true and thats not even taking tracking into account I suppose I don't understand why this is the case or what i've missed. I don't run incursions; so I'm not sure what range you're shooting the rats or what tracking them is like. I am pretty good at math though In the discussed fit above if you were to fit on 3 15/30 optimal/falloff mods via tracking enhancer II's or optimal range scripted tracking computer II's, (which doesn't seem to be completely out of the question) you'd end up with at all V's hail 1209dps, 4233m optimal, 51,826m falloff rfpp 1083dps 4233m optimal, 69,102m falloff barrage 863dps 8467m optimal, 103,653m falloff now I've ignored tracking if your chance to hit is x your average dps is approximately expecteddps*((1+x)/2)*x with that I get Hail doing most DPS until ~30km (full to ~920 dps) RFPP doing best at ~30km-44km ( ~920-764 dps) barrage is the most beyond ~44km ~(764-0 dps) at some point range wise you'd be better off switching to Artllery range wise Obviously rfpp tracks better. So at a certain point (most likely) less than 30k rfpp will come back around. What point that is depends on what you're shooting, which i'll admit I'm clueless I'll assume worst case, so I looked up briefly what the orbit range and orbit speed of the frigs were at what their sigs are and I get an average effective angular velocity of 0.44989512 (actual angular * 400 / sig). with a range from 0.303-0.679 which is well out of range for hitting for any of the ammunitions above without some help from webs, target painters, and scripting tracking speed tracking computers. 3 60% webs lower it to 0.05783 which is closer to the range of hittable for all of them but they'll all struggle to get close to full dps Anything larger than that frig example will be easily tracked if it's webbed or painted by even the hail ammo it isn't practical to switch ammo a lot in the middle of a fight, so pick the one thats best for your range and target size if there is something I missed I'd like to know, I want to make better fits. these are the equations I plugged into a graph to find intercept hail : y=1209*((1+(0.5^(((x-4233)/51826)^2)))/2)*(0.5^(((x-4233)/51826)^2) RFPP: y=1083*((1+(0.5^(((x-4233)/69102)^2)))/2)*(0.5^(((x-4233)/69102)^2) Barrage: y=863*((1+(0.5^(((x-8467)/103653)^2)))/2)*(0.5^(((x-8467)/103653)^2)
and this is why i fly a vargur rather then a mach ;)
the tracking bonuses on it make hail more then useable up close with webs/tp due to the insane tracking so i can throw out more acctual dps
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Herr Ronin
ISN - Management ISN - Incursion Shiny Network
25
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Posted - 2012.04.17 11:44:00 -
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Philderbeast wrote:Arth Ostus wrote:Keith Planck wrote:yes hail got buffed, no its not better then RFPP even in NMCs, because projectiles are all based on %falloff RFPP still does more damage :( its sad but true and thats not even taking tracking into account I suppose I don't understand why this is the case or what i've missed. I don't run incursions; so I'm not sure what range you're shooting the rats or what tracking them is like. I am pretty good at math though In the discussed fit above if you were to fit on 3 15/30 optimal/falloff mods via tracking enhancer II's or optimal range scripted tracking computer II's, (which doesn't seem to be completely out of the question) you'd end up with at all V's hail 1209dps, 4233m optimal, 51,826m falloff rfpp 1083dps 4233m optimal, 69,102m falloff barrage 863dps 8467m optimal, 103,653m falloff now I've ignored tracking if your chance to hit is x your average dps is approximately expecteddps*((1+x)/2)*x with that I get Hail doing most DPS until ~30km (full to ~920 dps) RFPP doing best at ~30km-44km ( ~920-764 dps) barrage is the most beyond ~44km ~(764-0 dps) at some point range wise you'd be better off switching to Artllery range wise Obviously rfpp tracks better. So at a certain point (most likely) less than 30k rfpp will come back around. What point that is depends on what you're shooting, which i'll admit I'm clueless I'll assume worst case, so I looked up briefly what the orbit range and orbit speed of the frigs were at what their sigs are and I get an average effective angular velocity of 0.44989512 (actual angular * 400 / sig). with a range from 0.303-0.679 which is well out of range for hitting for any of the ammunitions above without some help from webs, target painters, and scripting tracking speed tracking computers. 3 60% webs lower it to 0.05783 which is closer to the range of hittable for all of them but they'll all struggle to get close to full dps Anything larger than that frig example will be easily tracked if it's webbed or painted by even the hail ammo it isn't practical to switch ammo a lot in the middle of a fight, so pick the one thats best for your range and target size if there is something I missed I'd like to know, I want to make better fits. these are the equations I plugged into a graph to find intercept hail : y=1209*((1+(0.5^(((x-4233)/51826)^2)))/2)*(0.5^(((x-4233)/51826)^2) RFPP: y=1083*((1+(0.5^(((x-4233)/69102)^2)))/2)*(0.5^(((x-4233)/69102)^2) Barrage: y=863*((1+(0.5^(((x-8467)/103653)^2)))/2)*(0.5^(((x-8467)/103653)^2) and this is why i fly a vargur rather then a mach ;) the tracking bonuses on it make hail more then useable up close with webs/tp due to the insane tracking so i can throw out more acctual dps
Heard of a bloody tracking computer or tracking enhancers?
Yes cause we will fly a mach without any of them wont we....
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