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Haakon Jarl Caldari direkte	Posted - 2008.05.19 18:24:00 - [1] Ammatar, can they be trusted? I hope my Amarrian friends may find forgiveness in their hearts for this question, but I was thinking what I would do if I was an angry Minmatar who wanted revenge more than anything else. Minmatars have already proven themselves capable of killing their own civilians in cold blood, so why not play traitors for an amount of years to gain the trust of those they want to destroy. What would you do? In it for the state
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris Magna Ordo	Posted - 2008.05.20 02:05:00 - [2] We trust them. The Amarr have trusted those that have undergone the long perils of purification through slavery. And to prove that, I am here talking to you today, instead of working the fields like my grand-grandfather. So we trust them. That is the path God set before the Empire. Our mission. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Bad Harlequin Minmatar Chiroptera Factor	Posted - 2008.05.20 02:57:00 - [3] Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 20/05/2008 02:58:05 You should probably look up the origins of the Ammatar. Our founders were active collaborators, not converted conquerees. When the Republic managed to assert its borders due to the Amarr biting off a Jovian-sized chunk it couldn't chew, the collaborators fled along with their Amarr masters / partners / saviours. Something you have to understand about my former home's leadership and privileged upper class, is that they (mostly) really believe in their own salvation through the Amarrian diety and culture. They also seem to like the perks, of course. For the rest of them, being an underclass in the Mandate sucks as much as it does anywhere else. Zleip > very, and this is more or less a post of humor that seriousness =)
Wren Alterana Minmatar The Baros Syndicate Kissaki Republic	Posted - 2008.05.20 03:36:00 - [4] Originally by: Sepherim The Amarr have trusted those that have undergone the long perils of purification through slavery. no you don't! you're constantly staring daggers across our borders with only Concord and the Gallente holding you back. have we not suffered our quota? Am I missing something in your hypocritical religious doctrine? _________ Dynamic Maps
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.20 05:28:00 - [5] Well, in their book, Ms. Alterana, the Minmatar turned their backs on purification, and instead selected rebellion against God's will. They're talking about the Ammatar. Basically, the way they see the situation, the Ammatar stayed in the metaphorical shower to be cleansed. The Minmatar, however, bounded howling out the front door, stark naked and covered in soap suds. It's part of the whole "but it's for you're own good!" assertion that bothers me so much. Ghost Festival is recruiting!
Esna Pitoojee Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.20 11:08:00 - [6] I'm willing to trust anyone who shows an interest in an alliance and proves that they are willing to support that alliance. Call me gullible, but whether it's another capsuleer that I know, a Corperation or Alliance of capsuleers, or an entire faction, such as the Ammatar Mandate, this methodology has served me well thus far. The Ammatar have certainly paid in blood for thier alliance, and so I consider them proven allies. Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you. My statments do not represent the opinions, views, or actions of my corp.
Khan Rodak Amarr Manu Dei Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.05.20 11:20:00 - [7] Originally by: Sepherim We trust them. We?!!! Whom do you represent Sepherim? For whom do you speak? Originally by: Sepherim The Amarr have trusted those that have undergone the long perils of purification through slavery. (...) So we trust them. That is the path God set before the Empire. Our mission. Long perils? The ammatar? shrugs The path God set on us? I think its time for you to stop questioning everyone and start answering yourself. What do you follow? Teh Scriptures made canon or dubious teachings? Who do you serve? God, by following the Scriptures as they were given to us or you're going to play the monkey to anyone who bend the divine word of God due to temporary circunstances? New Seminarium open
Haverloth Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.05.20 11:39:00 - [8] Edited by: Haverloth on 20/05/2008 11:39:36 Officially the Ammatar have risen to a position of trust within certain sectors of the Empire, to the extent that an Ammatar wing has been founded under the auspices of the Vigilia Valeria and the Imperial Navy. I have flown alongside Ammatar pilots several times now and believe them to be worthy charges, and I do trust in them almost as much as I would trust a fellow Praetorian. If I may quote some wisdom from Consul Tharrn here: Originally by: Tharrn The addition of the Ammatar wing to the VV Charter has been pushed by me personally from the beginning. The mandate has pledged allegiance to the Empire, which is much more than can be said about certain other factions that still owe the Empire a Titan, a region and with whom we still cooperate hoping to achieve a reunification into one great Empire under one Emperor. The Ammatar do not share the benefits of Amarrian citizenship. They are still under close observation and still need to prove that they fully deserve the trust we are placing in them. They have not ever betrayed the Empire (which cannot be said about every other faction again) and stayed true to the path outlined by the scriptures and the Empire. Putting the Ammatar on one level with the Minmatar is thus not only shortsighted but also an invalid oversimplification. They may not deserve the full citizenship yet but they do deserve our trust as soldiers willing to put their lives on the line for the Empire. VV, after all, is a paramilitary and not a religious organization. I for one will gladly welcome those Ammatar, who are willing to adhere to the strict rules we are putting on them, into the Vigilia. As an aside, more information on the Legio Ammatar, the -VV-'s Ammatar wing, may be found here: Legio Ammatar ____________________ http://1pg.vigilia-valeria.org
Rainrix Deathwish Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.20 12:02:00 - [9] I'm sorry but I cannot resist... "Commence operation: Hide behind the Ammatar!" Ablative armour certainly has its uses... ------------------------------------- Anti-Slavery doesn't mean Anti-Amarr!
Khan Rodak Amarr Manu Dei Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.05.20 12:31:00 - [10] And to add some clarification, mainly regarding an ammatar wing with VV, I shall state an overall view on amatar issues: "The Nefantar had been resettled to a reservation, under amarrian supervision, where they were meant to act as a bufferzone. This is an ongoing experiment." And, shall I point you all to the precise words of Agrikaan, the commander of said wing commenting the above vision: Originally by: Agrikaan This wing, created solely to cater for Ammatars, is exactly the same but on a smaller scale. They are reserved to one wing, they are supervised by Amarrian commanders, and it is an experiment. It can be cancelled within 24 hours, if that order comes. This will give you an idea of the trust we put on them. New Seminarium open
Shern Minmatar Delictum 23216 San Matari.	Posted - 2008.05.20 18:13:00 - [11] We Ammatar can be trusted. We've paid a heavy price for our loyalty to the empire. We're sneered at by the other nations, told we're weak-willed traitors and spineless servants. Some amarr tell us we're not godly enough yet to serve well and our cousins in the tribal republic are told that we're all scum who are better off dead. To those people who stretch out the hand of friendship to us, we give them our total, utter support and love. It's hard to be friendless in the universe. At least we know some of the amarr appreciate our dedication. My lost kinsman Bad Harlequin is right about one thing, though - it does suck to be an underclass, anywhere.
Ooyama Caldari Rastana CMP	Posted - 2008.05.20 21:00:00 - [12] Originally by: Shern We Ammatar can be trusted. To those people who stretch out the hand of friendship to us, we give them our total, utter support and love. Indeed true words,, as i learned after recently moving to the Mandate. Nowhere else have i been greeted so warmly, and been met with such helpfullnes. I whould trust an Ammatar over any Gallente or Republic "Minnie" anyday! Ooyama.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.05.21 00:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Rainrix Deathwish I'm sorry but I cannot resist... "Commence operation: Get behind the Ammatar!" that Galente satirical cartoon comedy aside what better tactic towards unity than a multi-national conglomeration of peoples? Take the best off all, reclaim that which is most potent, and work it towards your goals. tactically speaking working with the Ammatar is brilliant.
Scourge Drakonis Minmatar Legio Decimus Inc	Posted - 2008.05.21 02:40:00 - [14] It seems rather odd, not to mention foolish, to cast disdain upon a people who have been loyal to the Empire; especially when war is on the horizon... The Mandate is a loyal part of the Empire. That loyalty has never been in doubt, except perhaps by some xenophobic elements of the Amarrian elite. I might add that if the Empire were to spit upon the Ammatar people now, at a time when we should be standing shoulder to shoulder, that it could have catastrophic consequences. "Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts. Only the Heir to the throne of the Kingdom of Idiots fights a war on 12 fronts!" -Londo Mallari, Centuari Ambassador
Parsor Evarkis Minmatar Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.21 02:49:00 - [15] You would trust those who would sell their own people into slavery? Trust them at your own peril, they have already shown they are untrustworthy traitors.
Madrosynth Synthesis Deep Salvage	Posted - 2008.05.21 03:13:00 - [16] Originally by: Parsor Evarkis You would trust those who would sell their own people into slavery? Trust them at your own peril, they have already shown they are untrustworthy traitors. I suppose the same warning should apply to those who fly around killing their own people while waving a flag with a big red fist on it. [SDEEP]
Rainrix Deathwish Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.21 07:53:00 - [17] I agree that the Amarr are atleast wise enough to forge as much in the way of trusted military forces as possible... Considering the times we're currently living in it is common sense. Not that i'm happy about it. ------------------------------------- Anti-Slavery doesn't mean Anti-Amarr!
Sepherim Ordo Quaesitoris Magna Ordo	Posted - 2008.05.22 02:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Khan Rodak We?!!! Whom do you represent Sepherim? For whom do you speak? Well, I believe the answer to that is pretty obvious, Lord Rodak. Me, being Keter of the Ordo Quaesitoris as I am, speak for that said Ordo. Quote: Long perils? The ammatar? shrugs The path God set on us? Yes, indeed, Lord Rodak. The slavery of the Minmatarr race has been quite long already, and like all slavery (like the one us Ni-Kunni suffered too) it comes with not a small amount of perils. As for the path, well, I believe it is pretty obvious that God sent us into the Cluster to bring all heathens into his flock. To Illuminate them. That is the meaning of slavery afterall. Quote: I think its time for you to stop questioning everyone and start answering yourself. Questions are what leads you to answers, and answers bring new questions. You can't break that cicle Lord Rodak. Only God can. Quote: What do you follow? Teh Scriptures made canon or dubious teachings? Who do you serve? God, by following the Scriptures as they were given to us or you're going to play the monkey to anyone who bend the divine word of God due to temporary circunstances? We have our answers to that, Lord Rodak. Of course. You will have to find your own. Our duty is to create Questions, not to answer them for others. But there is more to the Scriptures than war and carnage, and slavery. There is a purpose. A goal.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.22 08:21:00 - [19] Originally by: Madrosynth Originally by: Parsor Evarkis You would trust those who would sell their own people into slavery? Trust them at your own peril, they have already shown they are untrustworthy traitors. I suppose the same warning should apply to those who fly around killing their own people while waving a flag with a big red fist on it. You are deeply confused. The Nefanter chose to betray us and make themsleves not only ilin and outcast. They went the step further to become blood enemy to the Minmatar people. After selling the tribes out to the Amarr to save your own skins your kind even tried to sell Pator to a Caldari strip mining consortium. We do not kill our people, you ceased being our people generations ago.

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