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Oedus Caro Caldari Cross Roads Ouroboros Cross Combine	Posted - 2008.05.19 21:36:00 - [1] Edited by: Oedus Caro on 19/05/2008 21:52:29 Some weeks ago, some of my corporation's most prominent leaders made off with several billion ISK from the corp wallet and most of the contents of our primary hangar bays. After searching the forums and checking this thread, I have failed to find any record of their criminal proclivities. Thus, I am creating this thread to alert recruiters to the probable danger of giving these people positions of responsibility within their respective organizations. The names of the perpetrators are as follows: "Zazza Rik" --- a.k.a. "HolyKaiser", others unknown --- GMT +1 "Tappits" --- a.k.a. "Tsunami Dream", a.k.a. "Gale Dream" --- GMT
Archon T'orn	Posted - 2008.05.19 22:11:00 - [2]
Stonie Bandit Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.20 02:38:00 - [3] The list of thieves get longer......... Who looks at them? Who cares.................. Maybe read up on the 'try to prevent robbing" threads. Security in your corp has failed. Fix it and move on I have doubts of proof since it is free for editing before posting as "proof"
Oedus Caro Caldari Cross Roads Ouroboros Cross Combine	Posted - 2008.05.20 04:59:00 - [4] Edited by: Oedus Caro on 20/05/2008 05:00:37 Well, most any kind of "proof" in an internet game can be faked, one way or another. Admittedly it is more easily done with chat logs than with other forms of evidence, but it's the best record I could recover from the corp. Take it or leave it, I guess.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.20 05:30:00 - [5] Don't give anyone access to corp hangers, make people pay collateral before giving them something, no problem... you have no one to blame but yourself and I wish I could find a CEO as dumb as you () () (â;..;)â (")(")
Rach NiKunni	Posted - 2008.05.20 06:02:00 - [6] Originally by: Stonie Bandit The list of thieves get longer......... Who looks at them? Who cares.................. Well actually I appreciate that people take the time to post this stuff. Before someone gets in our corp we always screen them several ways and this kind of information will pop up. We're not very vulnerable to thieves but we like to have players with good integrity. If something like this shows up to make me question that then they won't get in. So yeah, people do actually use this information.
Oedus Caro Caldari Cross Roads Ouroboros Cross Combine	Posted - 2008.05.20 07:48:00 - [7] Originally by: Rach NiKunni Originally by: Stonie Bandit The list of thieves get longer......... Who looks at them? Who cares.................. Well actually I appreciate that people take the time to post this stuff. Before someone gets in our corp we always screen them several ways and this kind of information will pop up. We're not very vulnerable to thieves but we like to have players with good integrity. If something like this shows up to make me question that then they won't get in. So yeah, people do actually use this information. Glad it's useful to someone, Rach. Also, for the record 1) I am not the CEO of Cross Roads 2) Zazza Rik was actually our alliance CEO. I don't expect you to be something you aren't, Plunder, but you might at least save your **** for those who actually deserve it.
Ralara Caldari D00M.	Posted - 2008.05.20 08:08:00 - [8] I dunno if that chat log wasn't working for anyone else (it had no line breaks) so thanks to the wonders of Microsoft Word, I present you with: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0805/chatlog_candp.txt --
Dihania Gallente Mucho Dolor	Posted - 2008.05.20 08:55:00 - [9] One thief on the boards, than another, than another. People get informed. Than again people have many alts. . I need isk! Accepting donations :)
Majuan Shuo Vigilante inc.	Posted - 2008.05.20 09:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Oedus Caro Edited by: Oedus Caro on 19/05/2008 22:14:27 Some weeks ago, some of my corporation's most prominent leaders made off with several billion ISK from the corp wallet and most of the contents of our primary hangar bays. After searching the forums and checking this thread, I have failed to find any record of their criminal proclivities. Thus, I am creating this thread to alert recruiters to the probable danger of giving these people positions of responsibility within their respective organizations. The names of the perpetrators are as follows: "Zazza Rik" --- a.k.a. "HolyKaiser", others unknown --- GMT +1 "Tappits" --- a.k.a. "Tsunami Dream", a.k.a. "Gale Dream" --- GMT Public admission of guilt is recorded in this chat log. well boy i sure am glad we got out of that alliance b4 this happened i voted out because i thought that "alliance tax" was a load of **** q-"WELL WHAT ABOUT THE PIRATE CODE!?" a-"well actually... they're more like guidelines.."
Mendolus Aurelius Federation	Posted - 2008.05.20 20:32:00 - [11] Originally by: Oedus Caro Edited by: Oedus Caro on 19/05/2008 22:14:27 Some weeks ago, some of my corporation's most prominent leaders made off with several billion ISK from the corp wallet and most of the contents of our primary hangar bays. After searching the forums and checking this thread, I have failed to find any record of their criminal proclivities. Thus, I am creating this thread to alert recruiters to the probable danger of giving these people positions of responsibility within their respective organizations. The names of the perpetrators are as follows: "Zazza Rik" --- a.k.a. "HolyKaiser", others unknown --- GMT +1 "Tappits" --- a.k.a. "Tsunami Dream", a.k.a. "Gale Dream" --- GMT Public admission of guilt is recorded in this chat log. I know it's not really any consolation... but take twisted pleasure in the fact that most of these people would not last five minutes in the real world when they were put in a position of self or group governance. They'd end up on a pike somewhere with Vlad cackling from a window high upon the parapet. I dunno, I guess I'm a little ... unusual, as these kinds of ideas give me pleasure when I see people run rampant with little sense of conscience or an inkling of notion that just because they CAN get away with it, does not mean they should. It's the principle of the thing, IMO. {...and they will respect a line drawn in the sand more than forgiveness}
Oedus Caro Caldari Cross Roads Ouroboros Cross Combine	Posted - 2008.05.20 22:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Mendolus I know it's not really any consolation... but take twisted pleasure in the fact that most of these people would not last five minutes in the real world when they were put in a position of self or group governance. They'd end up on a pike somewhere with Vlad cackling from a window high upon the parapet. I dunno, I guess I'm a little ... unusual, as these kinds of ideas give me pleasure when I see people run rampant with little sense of conscience or an inkling of notion that just because they CAN get away with it, does not mean they should. It's the principle of the thing, IMO. Oddly enough your thoughts resemble my own, even from before this incident.
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2008.05.21 00:23:00 - [13] Edited by: Kehmor on 21/05/2008 00:23:08 The best defence against theives is to have nothing worth stealing. Seems to me all he did was up your security. - Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes.
Gunless	Posted - 2008.05.21 21:53:00 - [14] The log you have posted as evidence only shows one of the people you say stole from your corp. Also you have 0 proof that the accounts are linked as you say and you also have 0 proof that the original owners of these characters (one ones that allegedly stole all the stuff) still have there accounts. You also have 0 proof that these people DID take the stuff as there are no real (non ghay local chat) logs or you would have posted them. Just because some of your members emoquit and wardect you a few days after the theft does not mean they did it. Maybe we will never know why these people wardect your corp but that does not mean they all stole what you said was stole. Until you show real logs and can some how prove that these accounts are linked and are still under the control of the original owners I will believe this to be BS.
Oedus Caro Cross Roads Ouroboros Cross Combine	Posted - 2008.05.22 03:26:00 - [15] Originally by: Gunless The log you have posted as evidence only shows one of the people you say stole from your corp. Also you have 0 proof that the accounts are linked as you say and you also have 0 proof that the original owners of these characters (one ones that allegedly stole all the stuff) still have there accounts. You also have 0 proof that these people DID take the stuff as there are no real (non ghay local chat) logs or you would have posted them. Just because some of your members emoquit and wardect you a few days after the theft does not mean they did it. Maybe we will never know why these people wardect your corp but that does not mean they all stole what you said was stole. Until you show real logs and can some how prove that these accounts are linked and are still under the control of the original owners I will believe this to be BS. I recognize our proof is far short of rock-solid, but as I said earlier, it's the best material I could recover from the corp (I was away when the incident happened). Believe it to be rubbish if you will, I don't particularly care. As long as the evidence we have is enough to convince some people of their guilt (and it would seem it is), the thread is justified. Regarding the log showing only one of the people who stole from our corp: Zazza states quite plainly that Tappits had far more of the stolen ISK than he. Do you really imagine Zazza stole the ISK alone and decided on a whim to forward the lion's share to someone else - someone who, were he genuinely not involved, would probably have returned the funds to the corp wallet? If instead you question the truthfulness of his statement, then please explain why he would lie, giving particular consideration for the fact that he formed a corporation with Tappits following their ejection from our own. I mean, lying about such a thing is slander, which I believe is a thing generally reserved for enemies; working closely with an individual in a small corporation at war, on the other hand, is not. This defense is incomplete, but frankly I think I've gotten a bit carried away as it is. As I think I've said before, take it or leave it.
Saint Lazarus Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.05.22 03:30:00 - [16] Corp theivery, god where will the injusticeyness of it all end.
Oedus Caro Cross Roads Ouroboros Cross Combine	Posted - 2008.05.22 03:34:00 - [17] Yeah, but I wouldn't have it differently, to be honest. It sucks for my corp right now, but in the bigger picture it's part of what makes EVE special. I like that the sandbox can filter the population, separating the good guys from the bad.
Heikki Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.05.22 11:52:00 - [18] Originally by: Stonie Bandit Who cares .. read up on the 'try to prevent robbing" threads Would bet more than one of those threads say 'eve-search for the player and his alts before accepting him into corp. And now for the bonus question: how to get people to post about thieves on such searchable places (hint, it involves encouraging the said posters)? So to the OP: thanks for the info. Should I be responsible handling application from this char one day, then I would ponder upon the proof presented by the OP. -Lasse
Darth Jaais Vigilante inc.	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:33:00 - [19] hm, goooo Tappits... he said that they got like 15bn or something
Mortifer S0mnium	Posted - 2008.05.24 18:35:00 - [20] Edited by: Mortifer S0mnium on 24/05/2008 18:38:23 14.7 bill and a Freighter BPO a BS BPO and a T2 BPO + 2 Faction Towers and some other Stuff thatÆs not been sold yet. + I Got over 35bil for the 3 accounts (that cost just under 20bill) that were used in the operation so not a bad nights work if you ask me.

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