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Esna Pitoojee Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.21 01:18:00 - [1] So, it seems that someone has been blowing up Amarrian transport vessels. I'm honestly not suprised, but what did suprise me was another use of identifacation removal technology. The first use of this technology, if you remember, was the abduction of Kammas Grayli from a Republic Customs Service station. Now we find the same technology being used against the Amarr! Either this tech is getting around very fast (in which case, how much would it cost me to get one?) or whoever is using them has a vested interest in playing the Amarr and Minmatar against each other. I hate to stir up fearmongering, but I can't help but wonder if some Rogue Drones have finally developed a sense of strategy. After all, they have had a lot of human subjects to study lately... Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you. My statments do not represent the opinions, views, or actions of my corp.
Karanth Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.21 01:28:00 - [2] I vote Angels plot, using stolen Jove tech, to force them into war with each other, so that the Angel Cartel can pick up the pieces. What's my prize?
END GRAVE Caldari Federation Of Space Loonies NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.05.21 01:33:00 - [3] Gallente terrorists trying to help the Minmitar but doinging it so the Amarr are to foucesd on the minmitar to help the caldari fight the gallante
Madrosynth Synthesis Deep Salvage	Posted - 2008.05.21 02:02:00 - [4] Edited by: Madrosynth on 21/05/2008 02:06:05 Edited by: Madrosynth on 21/05/2008 02:02:41 Isn't it rather obvious who is responsible? Just read GalNet for God's sake. This place is is a veritable hive of froth-mouthed extremists who openly boast about killing peaceful Amarrian vessels. Hell, there was even a thread not too long ago where one of these "freedom fighters" expressed interest in acquiring this new "identification removal technology". Connect the dots people. I'm no master sleuth, but... Madrosynth takes a quick huff of Mindflood I ahhh... Madrosynth laughs as he cuts the Com [SDEEP]
Parsor Evarkis Minmatar Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.21 02:45:00 - [5] Edited by: Parsor Evarkis on 21/05/2008 02:45:56 I like many of my brothers have been blowing up Amarrian transport vessels, freeing our enslaved peoples, we have no need to hide our identities. However, I do not know who would be so deceptive about it.
END GRAVE Caldari Federation Of Space Loonies NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.05.21 02:47:00 - [6] Pretty bold statement
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.21 02:51:00 - [7] I have personally destroyed large numbers of Amarrian transport vessels, and will continue to do so. These vessels routinely carry slaves in violation of Republic law, and with the current administration unwilling to enforce these laws I'm pleased to note there are those of us willing to take up the slack. Assuming the (former) slaves were given proper treatment, I commend the actions of these unknown law enforcers. -- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today!
Madrosynth Synthesis Deep Salvage	Posted - 2008.05.21 03:08:00 - [8] I rest my case. [SDEEP]
Shern Minmatar Delictum 23216 San Matari.	Posted - 2008.05.21 06:14:00 - [9] It does look like tribal 'vigilantes' who want to tip tribal state, Empire and Mandate into open war. It's very disturbing.
Rainrix Deathwish Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.21 08:04:00 - [10] Many Matari pilots (And not forgetting pilots of other races that also choose to align with the Republic) have faced illegal slave traders. I personally have also, The fact of the matter is though that our agents and networks have 100% fully managed to mark these as slave trading fleets. I believe our agencies are very careful not to attack innocent Amarr vessels... And don't forget that carrying slaves as cargo in Republic space is also ILLEGAL. This fleet of cargo ships, from what i've read so far, DIDN'T have any evidence on them that they were smuggling slaves. Don't forget also that many many many capsuleer corporations inside any empire space lose industrials and freighters every day to insane kamikaze pirates... Maybe they were, Maybe they weren't, I have no clue to be honest. I trust my agents and when they say these transport ships i'm about to intercept are carrying slaves, They are. Plus they have usually been escorted by what atleast appears to be Amarr Navy vessels... Not unknown vessels that haven't got an I.D. tag. Some unknown force is trying to goad us into war I believe, Admiral Noir suddenly going insane and ramming his Nyx into a station? And now unmarked ships on the edge of Republic space engaging and destroying Amarrian transport ships..? After other unmarked ships kidnaped a prisoner from one of our own prison compounds to later lead to the death of a major suspect in a criminal investigation... Something really isn't right here... Where was CONCORD this time..? ------------------------------------- Anti-Slavery doesn't mean Anti-Amarr!

Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.21 08:35:00 - [11] I am reminded of events around eighteen months ago. Then, there were two organisations attacking Amarrian transports on the grounds that they have been involved in slave raids in the Republic. Like now, the attackers could not supply any evidence to back up their claims. Those two groups were Electus Matari and the Wolves of Pator. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Major Death Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.21 09:51:00 - [12] Edited by: Major Death on 21/05/2008 09:53:57 The Amarrian news networks would be better employed covering the ongoing destruction of Slave transports in the Amarr system Or maybe they don't want to spread panic? After all the fact that the Amarr Pirate State is now so weak that it cannot protect ships in its capital system speaks volumes for its chances in any future war. Even more pathetic is that the only groups able to mount any defense of the Amarr system are the very Loyalist Alliances that the Pirate State government has turned its back on. No honor amoung thieves as the saying goes. My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;) CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!'
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.21 10:09:00 - [13] Originally by: Major Death Edited by: Major Death on 21/05/2008 09:53:57 The Amarrian news networks would be better employed covering the ongoing destruction of Slave transports in the Amarr system Or maybe they don't want to spread panic? After all the fact that the Amarr Pirate State is now so weak that it cannot protect ships in its capital system speaks volumes for its chances in any future war. Even more pathetic is that the only groups able to mount any defense of the Amarr system are the very Loyalist Alliances that the Pirate State government has turned its back on. No honor amoung thieves as the saying goes. Aaah, the Ushra'Khan propaganda machine - as deluded and devoid of factual accuracy as ever. I'm sure that if the great and noble Amarr Empire had turned its back on any loyalist groups we'd have heard about it by now. But as things stand, many loyalist capsuleers are still operating under direct orders from the 7th Fleet, and doing so rather successfully. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Redbad Minmatar Tempered Steel Legion	Posted - 2008.05.21 11:12:00 - [14] Somehow I'm always worried when PIE reacts to such insignificant news. RB
Rainrix Deathwish Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.21 11:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Redbad Somehow I'm always worried when PIE reacts to such insignificant news. I'm confused as to what is "insignificant" about this news..? What needs to happen before it's news then..? The fact that yet another unmarked group of ships has struck and the odd fact CONCORD were nowhere to be seen again isn't news? The fact they seem to also have this technology to get rid of their I.D's? Even Angels, Guristas, Sansha, Blood Raiders, EoM... ...Wait... EoM??? Could they be capable of all this? ------------------------------------- Anti-Slavery doesn't mean Anti-Amarr!
Grr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.05.21 12:21:00 - [16] All this talk of war disturbs me as a enforcer of the peace. I very much doubt despite all the doomsayers that war is coming to the Empire. If I am wrong I have no doubt that any war against the weak republic will not last long. I believe that the recent news of Amarr transports being destroyed is just the work of terrorists and pirates. I seriously doubt the republic would risk war and think rogue elements are at work here. Epitoth Fleetyards is Recruiting
Karanth Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.21 12:28:00 - [17] Just looking for clarification here, but, by definition, isn't the whole Republic "pirates and terrorists" according to the Empire and it's leaders? If I'm wrong, forgive the question.
Zapp Brenigan Terran Resurrection	Posted - 2008.05.21 14:27:00 - [18] Originally by: Karanth I vote Angels plot, using stolen Jove tech, to force them into war with each other, so that the Angel Cartel can pick up the pieces. What's my prize? I vote Gallente Black Ops trying to divert Amarrian attention away from the Federation so that they won't open a second front against the Federation when the Gallente thugs (i.e. Karanth) attack into Caldari space. What's my prize?
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.05.21 14:28:00 - [19] Who cares? They're only Amarrians. They don't feel pain. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
AltBier Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.05.21 14:43:00 - [20] Originally by: Rainrix Deathwish The fact that yet another unmarked group of ships has struck ... There are many independent anti-slavery activists.

Karanth Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.21 14:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Zapp Brenigan Originally by: Karanth I vote Angels plot, using stolen Jove tech, to force them into war with each other, so that the Angel Cartel can pick up the pieces. What's my prize? I vote Gallente Black Ops trying to divert Amarrian attention away from the Federation so that they won't open a second front against the Federation when the Gallente thugs (i.e. Karanth) attack into Caldari space. What's my prize? For lacking any sort of real question, except a vague insinuation that I am a thug? No prize, except the warm comfort of knowing that you'll be seeing me, real soon.
Zapp Brenigan Terran Resurrection	Posted - 2008.05.21 14:59:00 - [22] Edited by: Zapp Brenigan on 21/05/2008 15:01:42 Originally by: Karanth Originally by: Zapp Brenigan Originally by: Karanth I vote Angels plot, using stolen Jove tech, to force them into war with each other, so that the Angel Cartel can pick up the pieces. What's my prize? I vote Gallente Black Ops trying to divert Amarrian attention away from the Federation so that they won't open a second front against the Federation when the Gallente thugs (i.e. Karanth) attack into Caldari space. What's my prize? For lacking any sort of real question, except a vague insinuation that I am a thug? No prize, except the warm comfort of knowing that you'll be seeing me, real soon. I'm not insinuating anything. You label yourself a thug by your own words. My prize will be seeing your Fleet decimated after it tries to invade our space. I think the only thing we'll be seeing of you is your tail between your legs fleeing back to Gallente Prime after the Caldari Navy is through with the Federation Navy. I stand by my postulation of the Black Ops, it is the perfect opportunity to tie up the Amarr.
Hori To NorCorp Security eXceed.	Posted - 2008.05.21 17:07:00 - [23] Minmatar republic : doesn't have the guts ( my opinion) U'K and similar minded podder groups : doesn't really care who knows what they're doing. If anything, they tend to announce what they're doing. Republic loyalists (Electus Matari etc) : I doubt they had anything to do with it. I'd have to agree with OP, rogue drones did it. (evidence suggests that as much as anything else)
Esna Pitoojee	Posted - 2008.05.21 20:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Rainrix Deathwish EoM??? Could they be capable of all this? Actually, I am inclined to believe the this possibility. I had not considered the terrorist group known as Equilibrium of Mankind at first; they hold no territory, lack the assets of larger pirate organizations, and when they strike, they rarely do damage. However, underestimation can be a truly fatal error, and EoM has the motivation to play the empires against each other - a catastrophic, inter-empire war would leave survivors with considerably less defense against their plans. Originally by: Rainrix Deathwish The fact that yet another unmarked group of ships has struck and the odd fact CONCORD were nowhere to be seen again isn't news? The fact they seem to also have this technology to get rid of their I.D's? Here's something else Mr. Deathwish pointed out that I hadn't originally considered: A connection between an ID hiding device and CONCORD response. I have often wondered how CONCORD manages to respond so quickly, one of my theories was that targeting information from one's ship was sent to CONCORD vessels along with ID, where a computer filtered out illegal engagements and alerted the CONCORD crews. So, with the ID transmitters removed, the computer is unable to determine whether the engagement is illegal and CONCORD does not respond. What do you think? Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you. My statments do not represent the opinions, views, or actions of my corp.
Merdaneth PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.21 22:02:00 - [25] Originally by: Esna Pitoojee So, it seems that someone has been blowing up Amarrian transport vessels. I'm honestly not suprised, but what did suprise me was another use of identifacation removal technology. The first use of this technology, if you remember, was the abduction of Kammas Grayli from a Republic Customs Service station. Now we find the same technology being used against the Amarr! Either this tech is getting around very fast (in which case, how much would it cost me to get one?) or whoever is using them has a vested interest in playing the Amarr and Minmatar against each other.. Many pirate factions turn of their ship transponders to evade Concord retribution. It imposes some limits, like needing to stay in-system (or use your own secret stargates), but gives plenty of benefits. The inability to provide protection in high-sec space to civilian ships by the Republic forces does not surprise me. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Merdaneth PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.21 22:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Major Death The Amarrian news networks would be better employed covering the ongoing destruction of Slave transports in the Amarr system Or maybe they don't want to spread panic? After all the fact that the Amarr Pirate State is now so weak that it cannot protect ships in its capital system speaks volumes for its chances in any future war. Even more pathetic is that the only groups able to mount any defense of the Amarr system are the very Loyalist Alliances that the Pirate State government has turned its back on. No honor amoung thieves as the saying goes. Terrorists are dying to my guns daily. I sense the level of fright and panic rise among them as they days pass. God is on our side, you cannot win.
Darina Rea Naqam	Posted - 2008.05.21 23:01:00 - [27] Yeah yeah, God is right behind you. Not doing anything but cheering you on while you die I bet. The technology is interesting however. Identification removal coupled with black ops ships? It's a recipe for alot of deaths. _________ Time is on our side.
Karanth Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.22 01:01:00 - [28] Originally by: Zapp Brenigan Edited by: Zapp Brenigan on 21/05/2008 15:01:42 Originally by: Karanth Originally by: Zapp Brenigan Originally by: Karanth I vote Angels plot, using stolen Jove tech, to force them into war with each other, so that the Angel Cartel can pick up the pieces. What's my prize? I vote Gallente Black Ops trying to divert Amarrian attention away from the Federation so that they won't open a second front against the Federation when the Gallente thugs (i.e. Karanth) attack into Caldari space. What's my prize? For lacking any sort of real question, except a vague insinuation that I am a thug? No prize, except the warm comfort of knowing that you'll be seeing me, real soon. I'm not insinuating anything. You label yourself a thug by your own words. My prize will be seeing your Fleet decimated after it tries to invade our space. I think the only thing we'll be seeing of you is your tail between your legs fleeing back to Gallente Prime after the Caldari Navy is through with the Federation Navy. I stand by my postulation of the Black Ops, it is the perfect opportunity to tie up the Amarr. I'd like to think I have more class than a common thug, but a peon of the State wouldn't know much of any class, aside from being on the bottom. My words simply tell of how I will ensure that, when I am done, the State will cease to exist as it does now. It might be an impossible goal, but I have time, and as many lives to give as needed. And I'm not alone.


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