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Daron Arnise
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Posted - 2004.05.02 21:20:00 -
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Many times have I thought by myself, that I was not welcomed in the Gallente Federation though it is, on the paper, my home. I am a citizen of the Federation but I, and my people, are a minority. We are the Intakis, and we are proud of it. But we are not respected, not even by our companions in the Federation. This lack of respect can be seen in the fact that our beloved homeworld have been categorized as a 0.1 system. With other words, the gallentians do not care about the safety of our homeworld, our culture or the very Intakis living on our beloved planet. Is this a fair treatment of the people who gave up their soveignity to the idea of democracy. In my opinion, no.
This is why I, after hundreds of years of Intaki patience and passiveness, raises the question, Do the Intaki people belong in the Federation? Again, in my opinion, no.
It is true that the Federation is a democracy, but it does not have room for minorities, therefor we, the Intakis, are not represented politically. This fact is not acceptable, we have nothing to say in this democracy! Some would say that I am lying, and say that the Intakis do have representives in the government, the Senate and so on. This is true, but it is also true that these representives does not represent us, as a whole, but their parties of whom their wages are paid.
To solve this problem of the intakis I can not see any other possibility than Intaki independence. We would be enslaved by the Amarrians, if we were to move into their lands. The Caldari would look upon us as they look upon any other Gallentian. The Matar are too selffocused, which is understandable looking at their 'Young' Republic. There are simply no other way out of this than to become independent.
And are we not allowed to leave? We did after all join a Federation of democracy. It shouldn't be problem leaving it. But again, the old war showed us that leaving will not be respected. Is war the price to pay for leaving a democratic Federation? Is war the price we must pay for our freedom from political slavery?
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Daron Arnise
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Chaos Warlock
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Posted - 2004.05.02 22:31:00 -
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Freedom is not possible when the few are subject to the tyranny of the many, or the many subject to the whim of the few. True Freedom lies beyond the grasp of the average man. True freedom requires an iron will to do terrible things...to claim your independence.
Those with power do not willingly relinquish it. Such is the way of the world.
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Xavier Cardde
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Posted - 2004.05.02 23:00:00 -
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I prefer eating Intakis
*Xavier Cardde the mad Caldari Intaki eater*
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Steiner
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Posted - 2004.05.02 23:35:00 -
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Well I say you can come to us here in the State, or maybe ask Mordus Legion if they can protect you and make a new home.
But I personally think that you can come to us here in the State, you came here before, many of you served well in the C-G War as you can see from Mordu.
You are not after all Gallente, just obey the rules and everything will be OK.
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Angry Dan
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Posted - 2004.05.02 23:51:00 -
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Best quote ever
Any man who swaps freedom for security deserves neither.
If your people want to be freed from Gallente tyranny, than learn from our example.
Oh, and by our ships. They don't look like Ron Jeremy's Transformer. And there a lot ahrder in a fight
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olyyy
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Posted - 2004.05.03 01:06:00 -
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I'm intaki myself and in fact I don't feel opressed at all by the federation. I have the same rights as any Gallentean.
We live in a democracy, the only true democracy. Opened to all. What is better? Being an amarr slave? Being some Caldiari corporation's muppet? Or being free as we currently are?
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Jera
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Posted - 2004.05.03 05:36:00 -
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Edited by: Jera on 03/05/2004 05:38:03
By opening your eyes on what they call your freedom relies, you just discovered how long is the path that can give your people back his honour and independence. Yet others have successfully walked this path in the past, and that were much harder times, when the Federation was then ruled by right-winded war mongerers, and where none would be here to give a helping hand.
You should definitvly get in contact with the Mordu's Legion, or if you mind is set for such a duty, join the Caldari Forein Legion.
Discuss loyalty to the State issues on the 'Caldari' channel
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Burga Galti
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Posted - 2004.05.03 08:37:00 -
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Edited by: Burga Galti on 03/05/2004 08:39:57
 Originally by: Chaos Warlock
Freedom is not possible when the few are subject to the tyranny of the many, or the many subject to the whim of the few. True Freedom lies beyond the grasp of the average man. True freedom requires an iron will to do terrible things...to claim your independence.
Those with power do not willingly relinquish it. Such is the way of the world.
My fellows,
The question of the Intaki is raised once more. I note there have been many supportive posts and I thank you for that. You are of course correct Mr Warlock, that true will lies beyond the grasp of the average man. However none of us here on these forums are average. We have all managed to follow our dreams to the stars and become pilots of starships. Perhaps freedom is within our grasp, if we are willing.
Olyyy, you say you are already free. I draw attention once more to your status as a pilot. You are free to escape our homeworld and see life away from our planet. Though since think we are free I would ask you to take a flight to Intaki yourself. Go visit one of our asteroid belts perhaps? There are those there who would wish to take your freedom from you, but does the Federation protect us from this? Does CONCORD?
And how can the Federation claim to be a democracy and hence valuing equality when we, and the Mannar, are quite obviously treated as lesser peoples?
Whilst many of our people did serve well with the Caldari state, we are no more Caldari than we are Gallente. There is already a state of our people, why should our homeworld not join them and join the protection that being a member of the Intaki Syndicate brings?
Finally, I would like to point all Intaki, and those others who support our cause, to the communications channel 'Intaki'. There we can discuss how we should claim our independance.
(edited for typos)
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2004.05.03 09:53:00 -
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Thanks to my fellow Intaki for bringing up this crucial question once more. Those who speak against this injustice are largely uneducated and unaware of the true gravity of the situation. A closer inspection of history would be helpful for them.
This is a link to an old thread with much of the information.
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Reloaded INC
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Posted - 2004.05.03 11:27:00 -
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my grand father served with mordues legion one of the few caladari with open minds to outsiders, if u wish toseek the help of the caladari state and people we shall raly to your cause.
true we will fight concord but those meddlesome fools have long enough held back the enbetterment of our state.
I am the bad guy the kriptonite the green cronic.
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Miriel Arkonis
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Posted - 2004.05.03 13:18:00 -
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Ok, let me get this straight:
You want Intaki to be indepenant from the Federation because you are having problems with Intaki who are independant from the Federation. 
Maybe you could just ask your relatives to not visit as often? That might raise the security status a bit. By the way, its Concord that sets security status not the Federation. Maybe you should lobby Concord to raise the SS and patrol there more often? But then again, if they did that they might end up killing some of your friends and relatives. Bit of a dilema isn't it?
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Jamil Classeene
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Posted - 2004.05.03 15:15:00 -
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Ms Arkonis,
I think you will find, if you ever visit, that the Intaki system is plagued by the Serpentis Corporation. And as everyone knows Salvador Sarpati is a Caldari. Though that of course has no reflection on the Caldari State as he has long since abandoned them.
Alas, if it were a case of our own kin life would be much easier.
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Miriel Arkonis
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Posted - 2004.05.04 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: Miriel Arkonis on 04/05/2004 00:58:22
Actually, Salvidor Sarpati is Gallente. However, most of his "employees" are from the Intaki Syndicate. Most of the Serpentis are based out of the Syndicate as well.
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Burga Galti
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Posted - 2004.05.04 08:15:00 -
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Edited by: Burga Galti on 04/05/2004 08:17:21
Originally by: Miriel Arkonis
Edited by: Miriel Arkonis on 04/05/2004 00:58:22
Actually, Salvidor Sarpati is Gallente. However, most of his "employees" are from the Intaki Syndicate. Most of the Serpentis are based out of the Syndicate as well.
This seems to be an issue of much confusion, as is usual with the Gallente Federation. Whilst Sarpati is Gallente, he is of the Deteis bloodline.
As to their employees being mostly from the Syndicate I am afraid you are attempting to manipulate the truth. The corporation is well known to be 'cosmopoltian' and employees people of all the races in eve.
Finally, I suggest you check your map. The Serpentis corporation has many bases in Curse, and a few in the Fountain region. Their ships may fly through Syndicate space, but then what group is not represented in Syndicate space?
However, this is not about the origins of Serpentis but the fate of Intaki. As it stands our system is attacked by members of this corporation on a regular basis. I myself lost a ship just last night to the threat.
It is a fact that CONCORD does not patrol, but merely places sentry guns in our system. The Gallente Federation is either unwilling, or unable, to defend us. So as Daron said, what choice do we have?
To this effect the Intaki Seperatists have been formed. The group seeks protection and justice for the people of Intaki, and is open to applications from supporters of all walks of life. For more information join the communications channel 'Intaki'.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2004.05.04 21:22:00 -
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While I'm not a big fan of nationalist movements, I've got to admit that I'm pleased that this particular movement is getting off to a start that doesn't include random acts of terrorism. That said, I'm curious why you are not promoting a stronger Syndicate? As an independant state it is perhaps not powerful or influential, but it is a sovereign Intaki nation encompassing an entire region of space...
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Daron Arnise
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Posted - 2004.05.07 00:02:00 -
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The reason we're not promoting a stronger Syndicate is, first of all, because we have yet to start our 'propaganda' campaign, and secondly because we're not convinced that a merge with the Syndicate is the wish of our people. But this can change, and I urge you to keep an eye open for the propaganda campaign comming up shortly.
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Daron Arnise
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Van Halen
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Posted - 2004.06.23 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Van Halen on 23/06/2004 22:59:17
 I could personally care less about where I am situated in the ever changing racial grouping of people. I only do what benefits me, my fiends, corp members and allies. I am not a pirate, i am a freelancer, I could care less about the Amarrian fanactics of god, I could care less about the Gallente-Caldari war, except if my Corporation or any allies were drawn into it, then i'd be by their side fighting, even if it meant against the Gallente Federation, the point is do what benefits you and your mates, not what racial group you happen to belong to
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Joe Blob
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Posted - 2004.06.23 23:45:00 -
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It is always a welcome sight for Intaki's wishing to remove themselves from Gallente rule. I applaud that, and also applaud the Intaki assistance during the Caldari-Gallente war.
It is a shame, however, that some of your number are so intergrated to Gallente society, that they may as well be full blooded Gallente.
The same works both ways, as I have seen far too often the disgusting sight of a Caldari feeding from the palm of a Gallente. You know who you are, and you will be exterminated.
We (RNGD) will happily help any Intaki fight for freedom from Gallente rule. If, following in the tradition of Mordu's legion, wish to integrate to Caldari state, or if you wish a state of your own, you have the support of many Caldari.
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Kyogen Steiner
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Posted - 2004.06.25 05:26:00 -
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Alot of Caldari will support your cause Daron. Both military and politically. The Caldari has been where you are thus we know how you feel. The Caldari and Intaki have several bonds of friendship. Mordus legion being one of them, Intaki supporting the Caldari liberation from the Gallente another.
I for one would wellcome you into the state, or as an idependent region, will full support of the Caldari economically and military depending on how your citizens wish.
The matter of Citizenship needs to be discussed within the Caldari State though. The Intaki safety should be a obvious priority that the Gallente federation has neglected, and its people looked down on.
Do realize however that the "democratic" Gallente "federation" will not let the intakis go even if a majority of its people wish it. Thus anyone that can should support the Intakis in their fight for freedom. Many Caldari corps have allready set examples for this. The Gallente Navy might be spineless but without propper security for the intaki homeworld, a new orbital bombardment might not unrealistic.
The Gallentes seem to favor fighting inocent civilians.
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Haratu
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Posted - 2004.06.26 06:45:00 -
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I would suggest you aim at allying with the Caldari. The Caldari would appreciate a group of people that live on the other side of the gallante space and enjoy the strategic advantage it will bring. I am sure this will cause the Caldari to further secure Intaki space and deter pirates more than the Gallenteans do.
Good luck.
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Amin
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Posted - 2004.06.26 12:47:00 -
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The "Intaki Issue" has been raised on many occasions, but each time Gallente dismiss the problem with arrogance.
The State understands the problems faced by the Intaki as we too we're once in that situation. If the Intaki people need an example of the successes of independance look at how powerful the Caldari State has become. Being able to set your own security, fiscal policies and trade agreements are paramount to any society's success.
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Kyogen Steiner
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Posted - 2004.06.26 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Kyogen Steiner on 26/06/2004 13:44:03
Agreed Citizen Amin
The Caldari navy provides solid defence to the state and its people. I find it suprising that the wealthy Gallente do not. Where is the rich and "powerful" Gallente navy in syndicate region? Is it the Gallente navy or freelancers and smaller unpaid Corps that should be defending the Intaki homeworld and its surroundings? The people the "intigrated" so many years ago promising freedom and security under the Federations wing.
The "Federation", built on many laws of freedom and equality is not what it claims to be... and has never been. Its corrupt. Why would the Intaki want to stay if they are bleed dry economically and without protection? If they are looked down on as being less worth?
The Caldari state will not aid the Intaki liberation until they ask us to. Merely, becase The Caldari state does not want to have their ships where they are not wanted. If the Intaki people make a stand, The state will stand with it along with the Caldari loyalist cooporations and individuals ready to fight for the Intaki freedom as the Intaki fought for ours.
I really dont care if Gallente claim that "having a election" to break free of the Gallente "federation" would solve the problem. It would never have been a problem if the Gallentes had not misstreated them, and you have had hundreds of years to place Navy warships to defend them, but you have not. Intaki people die by the thousands to pirates and roam freely.
They ask for your protection: Have you failed? YES!
The Federation had no right to subjugate the Intaki people, nor did they have the right to deny the Caldari people their freedom. The Gallenteans are tyrants, and live wealthy on the resouces stolen from the Intaki.
Its up to the Intaki syndicate to declare independence but rest asure that Caldari warships will support your case if you wish it.
Free Yourselves. Join the intaki separatists and make your people aware that they deserve better and independence is theirs if they fight for it.
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Kyogen Steiner
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Posted - 2004.06.26 13:53:00 -
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Also, as a last thing.
The Gallente Union states that their goal is: "To campaign against all forms of discrimination against Gallenteans "
But forbidding stripmining in Empire space seems to be further up on their list than the discrimination of the Intaki people and the lack of security of its citizens in their own homes.
Does the Gallente Union (except Daron Arnise) acutally care about the defenceless Intaki worlds?
Does the Gallente navy feel that its a waist of resources to defend the intaki people?
If yes, why does not the Gallente goverment provide the intakis with money and blueprints to create their own navy to defend themselves? Are they afraid of someting?
Alas are the Intaki not trusted by the Federation?
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Matt Ivresse
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Posted - 2004.06.26 14:17:00 -
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Erm, if you bothered to follow it, the Gallente Union (which I'm not part of btw) decided not to go for the ban of strip mining in Gallente space...so that kind of puts your whole argument out of the window, doesn't it?
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Kyogen Steiner
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Posted - 2004.06.26 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kyogen Steiner on 26/06/2004 14:38:51
My dear Matt
I am well aware that they canned the proposal to ban stripmining, it got canned after massive protests from the local population and cooporations and they seemed to have no way to enforce it without attacking their own citizens, Nothing else.
I however fail to see how that ended up as their top priority. And no, it does nothing to my argument, they Intaki are still neglected, or has the GU stated anything about helping them as first priority(as it should be)?
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Kyogen Steiner
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Posted - 2004.06.26 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Kyogen Steiner on 26/06/2004 14:38:06
oh i just read this:
Recent goals:
'To stop slave trade and free the Minmatar from the Amarr'
'To help the Intaki people gain their independence'
So... The GU stands united with the Intaki separatists? Is this the will of the Gallente "Federation" or something the Gallente union will do on its own? in that case, how will the Gallente "federation" react to this?
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2004.06.26 23:11:00 -
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I believe that persons within the separatist movement have indeed been in contact with the GU, to discuss the future of our race. I too have been surprised to see them list that as one of their objectives.
I will remain skeptical and in anticipation of results.
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Haratu
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Posted - 2004.06.27 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kyogen Steiner
oh i just read this:
Recent goals:
'To stop slave trade and free the Minmatar from the Amarr'
'To help the Intaki people gain their independence'
So... The GU stands united with the Intaki separatists? Is this the will of the Gallente "Federation" or something the Gallente union will do on its own? in that case, how will the Gallente "federation" react to this?
It is interesting that the gallente union have placed intaki independance alongside amarr slavery... just an observation.
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Kyogen Steiner
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Posted - 2004.06.27 04:38:00 -
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GoGo Yubari i agree. Whatever the Gallente Union does its not sanctioned by the Gallente "federation". The "Federation" itself has had hundreds of years to make due for their worthless protection of the Intakis, i doubt they would do much now.
Witch leaves the question of how much the Gallente Union actually represents the Gallente people. I am however glad to see an intaki representative in the Union. As you said however, ill wait for the results.
Haratu: It makes you wonder how far the Gallente Union will go to "free the slaves". If they actively support the Minmatar freedomfighters it would no doubt mean a declaration of war from the Imperial Amarr loyalists defending Amarr space.
An interesting observation indeed.
What supprises me is how few Gallente actually care to discuss the intakis or even try to argue that the Intaki separatists/Caldari are wrong. It makes me wonder if the Caldari Care more about the Intaki than the Gallenteans do.
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Crausaum
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Posted - 2004.06.27 08:32:00 -
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Just though I should bring you all up to speed on the current happenings inside the GU. In intersts of simplicity I'm not going to try to RP much here (not going to spell check much either  )
-Our current goal (to my knowledge) is not to help the Intaki constelations seperate but help them get the attention they need so very badly. So far it's mostly words about what we could do to help that fly about. Hopefully in the near future (a month? soonÖ?) we'll have ships in the place of words  . Not many at first but some is better than none.
-Daron Arnise is currently a voting member of the GU and the CIA (Caldari Intaki Alliance). This has started a big debate over a "conflict of interests" since he basically votes on two councils opposed to eachother. I don't really care what happens with this as long as it forces the GU to start moving on the Intaki issue.
-I'm tired of typing in these forums.... think I'll go play some actual Eve....
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