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Digital Anarchist	Posted - 2008.05.22 16:19:00 - [1] Bailing out rich bankers and bankrolling genocide in the ME is one thing. But when Eve is getting more expensive, it all hits close to home. Too close. Not fair. /end rant ------------------------ This space for rent
Zurrar Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2008.05.22 16:42:00 - [2] it only went up a short amount... like 2-3 bucks. your getting 2 months instead of one month... stop CRYING
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.05.22 16:44:00 - [3] isn't the existence of a managerial body like the federal reserve counterproductive to the fulfillment of free market capitalism ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Divi	Posted - 2008.05.22 16:59:00 - [4] Originally by: Zurrar it only went up a short amount... like 2-3 bucks. your getting 2 months instead of one month... stop CRYING The GTC went up just $2-3, but you loose a whole month. 60 day cards vs 90 day cards. This also means that the monthly credit card charge will most likely go up in the near future. The cards have always been cheaper to buy than the monthly subscriptions. Why buy 60 day cards when a monthly subscription is less? This is a bad move on the part of CCP with two big game releases in the near future you want to become the highest monthly subscription game out there. I used to have allot of respect for the people at CCP but this is just a bad move. The basic math... It will cost 33% more to play eve in the near future. I don't think there would be much complaining about a dollar or two increase.
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:31:00 - [5] Edited by: NeoTheo on 22/05/2008 17:31:22 its not CCP's fault that the dollor is basically worth fek all in todays global market. blame wallstreet. Neotheo Dark Materials Linkage
KapnKaboom School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:35:00 - [6] Originally by: NeoTheo Edited by: NeoTheo on 22/05/2008 17:31:22 its not CCP's fault that the dollor is basically worth fek all in todays global market. blame wallstreet. It's not just the dollar. All fiat currencies are pretty much only worth the value of the paper they are printed on. (which isn't much) When people finally realize this, instead of blindly trusting their banker's word that the pieces of paper are worth something, the world economy will experience a healthy collapse and the mess all this monopoly money created will finally start to unwind.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:52:00 - [7] Originally by: KapnKaboom It's not just the dollar. All fiat currencies are pretty much only worth the value of the paper they are printed on. (which isn't much) When people finally realize this, instead of blindly trusting their banker's word that the pieces of paper are worth something, the world economy will experience a healthy collapse and the mess all this monopoly money created will finally start to unwind. What? We should go back to the days of barter? So a 1 month subscription to EVE will cost you one sheep or 100 loaves of bread? -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Ezekiel Sulastin Central Research Nexus	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:07:00 - [8] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: KapnKaboom It's not just the dollar. All fiat currencies are pretty much only worth the value of the paper they are printed on. (which isn't much) When people finally realize this, instead of blindly trusting their banker's word that the pieces of paper are worth something, the world economy will experience a healthy collapse and the mess all this monopoly money created will finally start to unwind. What? We should go back to the days of barter? So a 1 month subscription to EVE will cost you one sheep or 100 loaves of bread? I think he means a return to a precious metal standard where each note is worth xxx gold/silver/etc. ---- WTB Armor Nerf Hardener II, 10^100 isk OBO
Bimjo SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:11:00 - [9] Originally by: Zurrar it only went up a short amount... like 2-3 bucks. your getting 2 months instead of one month... stop CRYING good god, I hope you're not in charge of logistics in your corp
KapnKaboom School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:12:00 - [10] Edited by: KapnKaboom on 22/05/2008 18:12:45 Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin I think he means a return to a precious metal standard where each note is worth xxx gold/silver/etc. Yeah, that's more what I was thinking. Might be hard to arrange to ship a couple goats overseas in exhange for a year's gametime.
Khrillian Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:13:00 - [11] Originally by: KapnKaboom Originally by: NeoTheo Edited by: NeoTheo on 22/05/2008 17:31:22 its not CCP's fault that the dollor is basically worth fek all in todays global market. blame wallstreet. It's not just the dollar. All fiat currencies are pretty much only worth the value of the paper they are printed on. (which isn't much) When people finally realize this, instead of blindly trusting their banker's word that the pieces of paper are worth something, the world economy will experience a healthy collapse and the mess all this monopoly money created will finally start to unwind. If you think paper money is only worth the paper, I'll take all of your cash please, since after all you think its worthless. Paper currency value comes from the belief that the US government or EU or any other fiat currency government (pretty much EVERYWHERE) will remain somewhat stable over time. I wouldn't call it "healthy" to have some kind of massive nuclear war or anything serious like that which would undermine people's belief in stability so much...
Taua Roqa Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:13:00 - [12] Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: KapnKaboom It's not just the dollar. All fiat currencies are pretty much only worth the value of the paper they are printed on. (which isn't much) When people finally realize this, instead of blindly trusting their banker's word that the pieces of paper are worth something, the world economy will experience a healthy collapse and the mess all this monopoly money created will finally start to unwind. What? We should go back to the days of barter? So a 1 month subscription to EVE will cost you one sheep or 100 loaves of bread? I think he means a return to a precious metal standard where each note is worth xxx gold/silver/etc. please no! here in england our worthless labour government sold most of our gold to the chinese for a quarter of what it was worth. -------------------------------------------- [IMAGE REMOVED] Threads are stacking-nerfed; the more posts you add the less effective those posts are. My I/Q Ration!!!11
Cergorach The Helix Foundation	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:19:00 - [13] Originally by: KapnKaboom Yeah, that's more what I was thinking. Might be hard to arrange to ship a couple goats overseas in exhange for a year's gametime. Yeah, but what would they do with the goats... Keep in mind the folks that work at CCP... And the pictures of a drunken Ovuer in a swimming pool... ;-)
KapnKaboom School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:19:00 - [14] Originally by: Khrillian If you think paper money is only worth the paper, I'll take all of your cash please, since after all you think its worthless. Unfortunately for you, I don't have any free paper cash on hand. I tend to convert my excess into something tangible of value (ie: gold, silver, oil, food, etc) as soon as possible to guard against loss of value due to inflation. Then, if I need something, I can easily convert it back to paper to exchange it for what I need, often getting back more paper than what I originally had to exhange for it. (as long as commodity prices keep rising anyways)
Zareph Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:22:00 - [15] Originally by: Zurrar it only went up a short amount... like 2-3 bucks. your getting 2 months instead of one month... stop CRYING yeah and if you slowly heat the water a frog will sit in a pot until the water is boiling and it's dead. you can be nibbled to death by cats too. you can die from 1000 papercuts too. While all answers are replies, not all replies are answers.
Gone'Postal Scoopex The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Zareph Originally by: Zurrar it only went up a short amount... like 2-3 bucks. your getting 2 months instead of one month... stop CRYING yeah and if you slowly heat the water a frog will sit in a pot until the water is boiling and it's dead. you can be nibbled to death by cats too. you can die from 1000 papercuts too. if your stupid enough to stick around and get Boiled, Nibbled and cut to death Don't like it.. make a post and quit. Questions, Comments, Problems, Please address them to the CSM.. Now CCP Never have to visit the forum. -V8I-
Nariana Verex Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:38:00 - [17] Originally by: Gone'Postal Originally by: Zareph Originally by: Zurrar it only went up a short amount... like 2-3 bucks. your getting 2 months instead of one month... stop CRYING yeah and if you slowly heat the water a frog will sit in a pot until the water is boiling and it's dead. you can be nibbled to death by cats too. you can die from 1000 papercuts too. if your stupid enough to stick around and get Boiled, Nibbled and cut to death Don't like it.. make a post and quit. People are smarter than rice; Put a grain of rice in boiling water, and then your hand. If you were smart enough to take your hand out of the boiling water... ;) Do the right thing. Don't leave shuttles in space.
Digital Anarchist	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:51:00 - [18] It seems the thread went a wee bit wayward. Can we get a lock or a move to Out of Pod Experience? ------------------------ This space for rent
Aclyn Seriy Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:05:00 - [19] Edited by: Aclyn Seriy on 22/05/2008 21:05:10 CCP fail, i once had respect for them, now though it seems they are just another bunch of money grabbing gits. And as for the utter moron who said "its only a 2-3 dollar rise, and you get 2 months instead of one" please kindly stfu. For those of us unlucky enough to live in the UK, and who can really only pay by GTC this will be a disaster. No longer can I, the customer, choose how long I want to play for, now CCP is deciding for me!! My monthly cost of playing EVE has nearly tripled, and im being forced to either pay for 2 months of game time or quit, thats hardly what i'd call a smart fecking business move CCP. I dont know which **** suggested you do this, but heres a suggestion for you, take the simple minded numbnut outside, and shoot them. repeatedly if thats what it takes. Oh, and then grow a brain, some b a lls, and get a clue................. Originally by:** techzer0 I'm the failboat captain
Letrange Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:15:00 - [20] Have you guys been to the pump lately? Look the American dollar is in free fall vs most of the world currencies. The Canadian dollar keeps climbing vs it. So EvE has been progressively getting cheaper for me for the last year or so. All they are doing is bringing it back in line with what we used to pay about a year ago. Sure the Americans will pay more, but the rest of us will just go back to what we were paying about a year ago or so. Look on the bright side: it means that CPP's Atlanta development team will cost them less, so they can hire an extra artist or two for the WOD game.
Furb Killer The Peacekeeper Core	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:20:00 - [21] Quote: My monthly cost of playing EVE has nearly tripled Do you just fail at math or do you include taking extra accounts?
David Detritus Freedom From Fear Industries	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:46:00 - [22] since when were GTCs the only payment method available in the UK? I pay by credit card, no hassle, ú10.30+ is way too much per month to pay for a game tho, im sure when I started this just over a month ago it was ~ú7.50 bloody euro, why must it be worth almost ú0.80 now? why cant it be worthless like the US$ so we british can get something cheap for once
Khrillian Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:48:00 - [23] Originally by: KapnKaboom Originally by: Khrillian If you think paper money is only worth the paper, I'll take all of your cash please, since after all you think its worthless. Unfortunately for you, I don't have any free paper cash on hand. I tend to convert my excess into something tangible of value (ie: gold, silver, oil, food, etc) as soon as possible to guard against loss of value due to inflation. Then, if I need something, I can easily convert it back to paper to exchange it for what I need, often getting back more paper than what I originally had to exhange for it. (as long as commodity prices keep rising anyways) . I guess its certainly good to convert your cash into something, although I'd prefer stocks or bonds, as these will usually exceed inflation. Maybe put it into gold if you really thing the currency's govt will collapse...but if you had put your money in gold/oil 40 years ago and I put my money into stocks...who do you think would be richer now? (of course there's the 20-20 hindsight problem...but I don't know why this trend would change significantly) Originally by: Zareph Originally by: Zurrar it only went up a short amount... like 2-3 bucks. your getting 2 months instead of one month... stop CRYING yeah and if you slowly heat the water a frog will sit in a pot until the water is boiling and it's dead. That frog thing is actually a myth.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:02:00 - [24] When people complained that GTCs cost more in euros than in dollars I said repeatedly that if CCP ever did resolve that it wouldn't be by charging less to europeans. ---- Infiniband can do more than just prevent lag
Sir Hades	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:11:00 - [25] The bad thing about the increase in price for the GTCs is that the ISK price to buy them will go up too. Now for a poor broke uni student like myself, that is how I have been allowed to play. Now I will have to mission more :/
Nhi'Khuna Strife Mercenaries Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:20:00 - [26] Edited by: Nhi''Khuna on 22/05/2008 22:21:58 It's cause the US dollar is tanking. Frankly, as a Canadian, I've been happily enjoying the savings... It's a shock that folks would have to get their in-game currency through in-game means... I'm sorry but GTC cash ins are just a way of controlling RMT within the game. As far as the game is concerned its still a Deus Ex Machina for your wallet.
Jasqar	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:59:00 - [27] Originally by: Nhi'Khuna Edited by: Nhi''Khuna on 22/05/2008 22:21:58 It's cause the US dollar is tanking. Frankly, as a Canadian, I've been happily enjoying the savings... It's a shock that folks would have to get their in-game currency through in-game means... I'm sorry but GTC cash ins are just a way of controlling RMT within the game. As far as the game is concerned its still a Deus Ex Machina for your wallet. Why, if this is because of US dollar tanking, did they just change the price of GTC? Would they not increase the price for game in US by CC as well if this was so? My take on this is, that more and more people are using GTC's to pay for game time. They must not make as much out of a GTC sale as they do from a CC payment. So they are taking steps to keep their profits where they think they should be.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:09:00 - [28] Originally by: Jasqar Why, if this is because of US dollar tanking, did they just change the price of GTC? Would they not increase the price for game in US by CC as well if this was so? Because Europeans can't pay for the game in dollars except through GTCs. They were losing money from people who realised GTCs allowed them to play the game cheaper. ---- Infiniband can do more than just prevent lag
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:18:00 - [29] Originally by: Adonis 4174 Originally by: Jasqar Why, if this is because of US dollar tanking, did they just change the price of GTC? Would they not increase the price for game in US by CC as well if this was so? Because Europeans can't pay for the game in dollars except through GTCs. They were losing money from people who realised GTCs allowed them to play the game cheaper. That makes sense and is probably the entire reason for the change. US players don't have to pay more to play as long as they have access to a traditional payment method. It should be noted that CCP's subscription methods now include PayByCash, which itself allows a greater range of payment methods like paypal to be used. Of course the official reason for the change is still something about attuning their product range to the.. market standardisation.. something or other. Whoever let that marketing ploy announcement go out needs their head examined. The announcement made it sound like CCP were trying to deliberately mislead the playerbase and wash over the price increase, which I am 99% certain is not the case. A little more forthrightness and honesty would have avoided a whole ****storm on the forums earlier. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
CrestoftheStars Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:22:00 - [30] Originally by: Adonis 4174 Originally by: Jasqar Why, if this is because of US dollar tanking, did they just change the price of GTC? Would they not increase the price for game in US by CC as well if this was so? Because Europeans can't pay for the game in dollars except through GTCs. They were losing money from people who realised GTCs allowed them to play the game cheaper. maybe they should realise the stupidity in the difference in the amount we pay for the SAME SERVICE, i don't get anything more for my 50% more expensive subscribtion ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded

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