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Redd Omega
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Posted - 2008.05.23 07:11:00 -
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Yesterday there was a small alliance convo going on. One moment an FC said to log off on his mark ...
Am I the only one finding this complete and utterly ****ed and not done ? I refuse to log out if someone catches me in a legit way. Which means often and frequently painful :)
Cheers
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Shakuul
Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.05.23 07:23:00 -
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Honor in eve?
Yes, its sort of a silly mechanic. I don't have quotes, but I think someone in CCP might have said they frowned upon it, but who knows. Until they change it, I'd just use/abuse it to its fullest potential.
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Ishina Fel
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.05.23 07:27:00 -
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Mass Logoffski is even more fail than solo logoffski, I agree.
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Megan Maynard
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.05.23 07:28:00 -
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You need a new corp........... Miz Stelth Bomerz iz the ****nit.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.23 07:32:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 23/05/2008 07:33:53
Obey your FC and hate it, or disobey your FC and do what you think is right... Or, of course, you could learn to accept it as part of the game... lame, but still part of the game. Hmm... Either way, you probably need either a new FC/corp or an attitude adjustment Your call.
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RuleoftheBone
Ataraxia.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 07:55:00 -
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Tell your FC to **** off.
And name and shame so others don't bother engaging those that resort to cheap-**** tactics.
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.05.23 07:59:00 -
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The middle of the road tactic would be to log off on his mark, then feign trouble logging back in and come back half a minute after the fight started. ---- Infiniband can do more than just prevent lag |
Murtala
Mushin Market
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Posted - 2008.05.23 08:01:00 -
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yeah i seen this tactic used and got mixed feeling about it since it is usually used by a gang that is heavy outblobed. The outnumbered gang has 2 choices
1. fight and die with ehonour 2. log off and fight another day without ehonour.
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VinkNut
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.23 08:01:00 -
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Next time your next to your FC pod him ;/
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Batolemaeus
Batolemaeus Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.23 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: VinkNut Next time your next to your FC pod him ;/
This is probably the first time i agree with a bob guy.
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Astraias
Pixels Docks
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Posted - 2008.05.23 08:32:00 -
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Lol ive seen this before except our FC would shoot blues even for the slightest mistake he was a real jerk though and we just left, he was called play dead not that experienced mind and would often try the logoff trick personally i prefer having the gutts to fight a camp or fleet that to run.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.05.23 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: VinkNut Next time your next to your FC pod him ;/
You telling me that a BoB FC never told anyone to crash their client after jumping into a laggy system? I remember that **** happening in the TPAR invasion after MC's flippery. People were appearing in local while their client was still loading, making them susceptible to probing even though they were blackscreened. Anyone who appeared under these conditions was ordered logged off.
Not every logoffski is a bad logoffski. OP needs to provide more details (and get your FC in here too tbh.)
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.05.23 09:07:00 -
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There is two forms of logoffski that people sometimes confuse.
Situation A: You jump into a system or are in combat. You see hostiles, you ctr-q to save your ship/pod.
Situation B: You are fighting or whatever, the enemy shoves out 5x your numbers or a titan or hotdrop whatever and bubbles the out-bound jump gates. You can either die having no chance to kill anything or bounce safes and wait out your 15 min timer and log off.
Situation A is bad bad bad, but situation B is fine in my opinion. And most of the poeple who don't like situation B has never been jumped on by a vastly superior force.
If I was in a gang and my FC said to log off in combat or after jumping into a gate camp I'd tell him to f off.
Originally by: CCP Casqade Please refrain from making assumptions on game mechanics and then presenting them as facts before testing them yourself.
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Raynar Alcohol
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.05.23 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit There is two forms of logoffski that people sometimes confuse.
Situation A: You jump into a system or are in combat. You see hostiles, you ctr-q to save your ship/pod.
Situation B: You are fighting or whatever, the enemy shoves out 5x your numbers or a titan or hotdrop whatever and bubbles the out-bound jump gates. You can either die having no chance to kill anything or bounce safes and wait out your 15 min timer and log off.
Situation A is bad bad bad, but situation B is fine in my opinion. And most of the poeple who don't like situation B has never been jumped on by a vastly superior force.
If I was in a gang and my FC said to log off in combat or after jumping into a gate camp I'd tell him to f off.
There is a third option
Situation C, blackscreened, limbo after a titan jumpbridge, sometimes you have to logoff just to get into the playable game again
In my opinion situation C is the only acceptable. -- Computer games donĈt affect kids. I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, weĈd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music. |
Lusulpher
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2008.05.23 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit There is two forms of logoffski that people sometimes confuse.
Situation A: You jump into a system or are in combat. You see hostiles, you ctr-q to save your ship/pod.
Situation B: You are fighting or whatever, the enemy shoves out 5x your numbers or a titan or hotdrop whatever and bubbles the out-bound jump gates. You can either die having no chance to kill anything or bounce safes and wait out your 15 min timer and log off.
Situation A is bad bad bad, but situation B is fine in my opinion. And most of the poeple who don't like situation B has never been jumped on by a vastly superior force.
If I was in a gang and my FC said to log off in combat or after jumping into a gate camp I'd tell him to f off.
Pretty sure Situation B is kosher, especially if there are no stations to dock.
Got to go to work/bed, eventually. Concede defeat(what local is really for ), say your pleasantries for a nice encounter and you can exit, e-honour intact.
Of course, using it to escape and then coming back to harass is low-class bullshet. Live and Let Die...All of it...null |
Johnny Gurkha
Maleficus Cruentus Interfeci
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Posted - 2008.05.23 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: Johnny Gurkha on 23/05/2008 10:02:58 If someone tells you to log off during gang op's for anything other than a drink/**** break and it is tolerated by corp directors then just remove your roles and leave... rightly or wrongly you'll be seen guilty by association otherwise
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.05.23 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Gurkha Edited by: Johnny Gurkha on 23/05/2008 10:02:58 If someone tells you to log off during gang op's for anything other than a drink/**** break and it is tolerated by corp directors then just remove your roles and leave... rightly or wrongly you'll be seen guilty by association otherwise
Guilty of what?
I have petitioned both logofski, and log on traps many times, and each time CCP respond with "its not against the rules to do this".
CCP refuse to deal with the issue, and repeat time and time again its not cheating. This is infuriating - but as they tell us time and time again "its CCP's game - not the players".
If it isnt cheating, then whats wrong with doing it?
Its like playing chess and not using your rooks as its "disonhorable".
My advice is for eveyone to do it. If you think the situation is in your favour, log off or log on at will.
SKUNK
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Johnny Gurkha
Maleficus Cruentus Interfeci
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Posted - 2008.05.23 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Johnny Gurkha Edited by: Johnny Gurkha on 23/05/2008 10:02:58 If someone tells you to log off during gang op's for anything other than a drink/**** break and it is tolerated by corp directors then just remove your roles and leave... rightly or wrongly you'll be seen guilty by association otherwise
Guilty of what?
A few corps I know of use this tactic, so anyone I see who is a member is "guilty by association" as far as I am concerned
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Drizit
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Posted - 2008.05.23 10:21:00 -
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Login traps are a sleazy tactic and I would quit any corp who asked me to do it.
Logoffski is a cowards way out but you can't prevent it without penalising those who geniunely lose their connection due to wireless network instability etc.
There is a certain amount of honour in Eve but sadly only a few understand the meaning of the term. --
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.23 10:22:00 -
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Some people regard suicide-gankers as "dishonourable" or even as "cheating". You can bet they (the gankers) don't care
If you choose to "not logoff", your loss (of ship). If somebody calls you a coward for doing it, either stop doing it or stop caring you're being called a coward. Either way... your call.
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2008.05.23 10:26:00 -
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I used to be like that, but when you have it happen to you several hundred times, I now refuse to lose that way to people who wouldn't hesitate to do the same.
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Frug
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 10:45:00 -
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Are you fighting to win or are you fighting to have a fun fight?
If you're just fighting to win, logging if is how it is. If it works, if it helps you win or at least survive, and if that's what you want, I don't see it as that horrible. It's lame but it's part of the game, and asking people to have e-honor is silly.
It's irritating but I expect people to do whatever they can to save their ships.
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Yuki Santara
Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2008.05.23 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Guilty of what?
I have petitioned both logofski, and log on traps many times, and each time CCP respond with "its not against the rules to do this".
CCP refuse to deal with the issue, and repeat time and time again its not cheating. This is infuriating - but as they tell us time and time again "its CCP's game - not the players".
If it isnt cheating, then whats wrong with doing it?
Its like playing chess and not using your rooks as its "disonhorable".
My advice is for eveyone to do it. If you think the situation is in your favour, log off or log on at will.
SKUNK
First of all, there is nothing dishonourable about using rooks, so that's a bad comparison. There are in fact dishonourable actions in chess which are not disallowed, but often frowned upon. Like running your opponents clock down despite a lost position.
More importantly, reputation doesn't matter in chess, but it does so in Eve. Fortunately this isn't counter-strike in space (although I am not always certain that every player was informed of this), so there is more to it than winning the battle at hand. Whether your in- and out-of-game reputation matters to you is up to you of course, but you have to take it into consideration. Personally, I liken logging off to risking the death of your crew to make a hastened emergency warp-off. A selfish and immoral act, that nevertheless doesn't appear to be against any laws of New Eden. I wouldn't hold a grudge against anyone who uses it, but I do think they should have to take the consequences of a tarnished reputation.
(That said, of course I do understand your frustration with this game mechanic and it might even be arguable whether screwing anyone with an unstable connection might be the lesser evil (I don't think so), but for now we just have to make the best of the current situation)
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.05.23 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 23/05/2008 12:22:37
I've said it before and I'll say it a few times more I reckon. Make logging in take you to the place you logged out 50% of the time and to a random destination 50% of the time. An FC would have to gamble pulling login traps with stats like that.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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UKM Thorgrim
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.23 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: VinkNut Next time your next to your FC pod him ;/
i aggree with VinkNut..
(But he is Bob) so don't do it ..
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.23 12:34:00 -
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If the only way the FC can keep the gang safe is by not playing EVE, wtf is he doing FCing a gang?
we are recruiting!
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.05.23 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 23/05/2008 12:22:37
I've said it before and I'll say it a few times more I reckon. Make logging in take you to the place you logged out 50% of the time and to a random destination 50% of the time. An FC would have to gamble pulling login traps with stats like that.
No , it's already tricky enough to catch someone logging out and back in. The needed fix is to force any ship logging in to warp to the first location it logged off from , and ignore the location in warp from emergency safe to logging spot. That way loggers could not escape being probed or killed at the initial engagement point.
There is really no excuse for logging off in space. It's an emergency solution when your client is unresponsive , but typically doesn't save your ship or pod in combat unless the enemy is too lagged to shoot you anyway.
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Haakon Jarl
direkte
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Posted - 2008.05.23 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Haakon Jarl on 23/05/2008 14:36:36
Originally by: Vaal Erit
Situation B: You are fighting or whatever, the enemy shoves out 5x your numbers or a titan or hotdrop whatever and bubbles the out-bound jump gates. You can either die having no chance to kill anything or bounce safes and wait out your 15 min timer and log off.
Bah! what an utter disgrace. If you were looking for a fight and the enemy have 5x your numbers then face death like a man.
If you have to log off, then please quit eve.
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Constance Harme
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Posted - 2008.05.23 14:37:00 -
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There are those of us in Eve with honour, I for instance never log off/dock/flee when I'm attacked even if I'm outnumbered 10 to 1 I'll still stand my ground and go down with my ship.
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2008.05.23 15:05:00 -
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pussie gammer's only log off.
but people can get droped in a fight so how do you prove it.
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