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Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.05.23 09:07:00 - [1] .. due CCP raising GTC's price. Discuss! "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Calgorac The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.23 09:21:00 - [2] I think people will still be wanting to buy time for isk... and other people will still be wanting to convert there hard earned real money to isk via that sell... so all that will happen long term is an increase in the base value of gtc's in isk For Buy back option Contact "James Omerand" ingame.24 billion under Management
Cergorach The Helix Foundation	Posted - 2008.05.23 09:47:00 - [3] There are a couple of things: 1.) The minimum GTC buy went from $15 to $35, the entry fee went up by 133%. 2.) The price went up by 35% when you compare a 90 day GTC with a 60 day GTC. That has a couple of effects: a.) Playing Eve has become more expensive, no matter how you look at it. That will mean less accounts for the people who pay for them, people with one account will probably keep playing, but I expect folks with multiple accounts to close a couple. b.) New or opportunistic players will have to pay a higher fee the first month they want to try the game (if you use GTCs to pay for your game time). That will mean less new or/and opportunistic players. c.) Folks that trade GTCs for isk will have to pay more for a 60 day GTC (close to what a 90 day GTC costs now), that will mean that folks paying isk for GTCs will have to pay more for them. I expect that 60 day GTCs will cost around 300M+ isk, that means that having that 135-160M isk for a month is no longer possible and the bar for paying for your character with isk is raised (more than doubled). Means less people can afford to buy GTCs, thus less demand. d.) Datafarming and character training constructions depend largely on the 30day GTC to keep profitable, expenses rise. That means (less competition and) higher prices for Datacores and Characters. Less demand for GTCs. e.) Less demand for GTCs should mean lower prices, but some of the GTC sellers might resort to 'illegal' isk sellers to compensate. Thus less supply of GTCs for isk. f.) 'Illegal' isk sellers need to invest a 60 day GTC into each account, that means that each banned account is more expensive then before. Might see less isk sellers, or prices of 'illegal' isk might go up. g.) Because it's now more expensive to operate multiple accounts, we might initially see more characters offered. Higher supply, means lower prices. Personally I see this as a good development, there's a good possibility I will have less competition. ;-)
Karanth Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:44:00 - [4] I say good, it'll help keep the massive amounts of characters for sale down. Everytime I've seen someone ask about training a capital ship polit, the answer has been: 1. Train mission-running skills, and grind for loads of ISK. 2. Buy a cap ship pilot char. 3. ??? 4. Profit! I've thought it was crap, and if this helps curb it slightly, I'll be glad for it.
Dranakolys Theurgy	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:46:00 - [5] Edited by: Dranakolys on 23/05/2008 10:46:49 I certainly hope so _______________ Amused to Death
Mr Minmatar Minmatar Munitions and Tactical Assets Repository Zzz	Posted - 2008.05.23 15:38:00 - [6] I won't get into the effect on the isk price of GTCs for the moment. Just wanted to point out that there's change coming that will greatly increase the price of some (though certainly not all) characters. Originally by: Fabricati Diem Raising the issue in this forum is akin to a gazelle appealing to lions about the predatory tactics of leopards.
Wieting Foyu Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2008.05.24 07:04:00 - [7] It will just force the gtc for isk sellers to all sell the same item. Which in turn means a lower isk/day price. As it was, the gtc seller had a choice of 30d to make just a little extra isk or 90d to get that much more (plus the 50d and 100d guys but they were few to begin with). Now they are forced to only buy the one type. So instead of 2 different sellers with 2 different items able to sell as high as they want, we have 2 sellers with 1 item trying to undercut each other so their's sell faster. I only have the one account so it won't effect me too much, but I can see the multiple accounts dropping pretty quick especially if one account is just a datacore farmer that only needs activated for a day. Wieting Foyu Foyu Investments
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.05.24 08:02:00 - [8] Originally by: Mr Minmatar I won't get into the effect on the isk price of GTCs for the moment. Just wanted to point out that there's change coming that will greatly increase the price of some (though certainly not all) characters. The issue is complex but I strongly suspect that you'll see an appreciable short-term dip in character prices. It suddenly costs more to maintain them through ISK to GTC's or through the cash purchase of GTC's. That means people will no longer be able to support all of their accounts. In the long run this may increase the value of SP relative to ISK but in the short-term you're looking at people selling off characters from accounts they can nolonger afford and this increased selling will hit a market that, if anything, will see decreased demand. Thus we'll see a significant short-term drop in character prices. If they really drop I might just pick up a Command Ship pilot, it's the only thing my characters can't fly, well that and Titans. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.05.24 09:48:00 - [9] I see this as a negative for CCP based on all the comments here. Most posts here agree that this change will result in a lowering of the customerbase subscriptions. My question is, why would CCP make this change? What's in it for them? The only thing that I have seen related is something about the euro being more expensive than the USD so CCP in some way subsidising it (but i didn't really understand it).
Dranakolys Theurgy	Posted - 2008.05.24 10:28:00 - [10] Edited by: Dranakolys on 24/05/2008 10:29:37 Basically, lots of people from EU/UK have been buying GTCs in dollars instead of euro to pay for their accounts. As the USD got weaker it basically translated to less euro in CCP's pocket. http://i32.tinypic.com/30mvi2r.jpg Thats Euro:Dollar just since 2006. For this change to hurt CCP financially they would need to lose around 20% subscriptions because of it (rough guesstimate :P). Nothing changes for CC subscriptions. _______________ Amused to Death
Cergorach The Helix Foundation	Posted - 2008.05.24 11:11:00 - [11] Originally by: EBANK Ricdic My question is, why would CCP make this change? What's in it for them? The GTCs have become more expensive, that will increase revenue by a certain amount. But more importantly, direct subscription becomes more interesting for EU folks, that means that all the profits go directly to CCP. While they might take a hit on the number of subscriptions, the added profit will probably more then balance it out. And they can better do the price change now, then when they release WoD or hit half a million subscribers. It also might make EVE more interesting for the folks that don't have multiple accounts.
Shiyama The Free Haven Group	Posted - 2008.05.24 11:15:00 - [12] I agree it will create a short term increase in toons for sale thus lowering prices. What i think is more interesting is the price point these cards will sit at. A monkey can do the maths and see that selling 30d's is best for profit/RL cash and buying 90d's is best time/isk. However, now we see one GTC for sale across the board this will double (or there abouts) the number of people selling the item, as there is only one item to be sold not 2. This, in my opinion, will lead to more competition and 60d GTC's coming in at the isk/day price of the 90d's (4.2m/day @ 380m) not the 30d's (6m/day @ 180m). So my grand prediction is that the 60d GTC's will settle at between 250m and 300m.
Cergorach The Helix Foundation	Posted - 2008.05.24 11:36:00 - [13] Originally by: Dranakolys Basically, lots of people from EU/UK have been buying GTCs in dollars instead of euro to pay for their accounts. As the USD got weaker it basically translated to less euro in CCP's pocket. Thats Euro:Dollar just since 2006. For this change to hurt CCP financially they would need to lose around 20% subscriptions because of it (rough guesstimate :P). Nothing changes for CC subscriptions. I would call that BS (and I don't mean BattleShip): CCP has relatively little to do with the Euro, because they're based in Iceland. In Iceland they use the Icelandic Krona, called Isk for short, seriously! Their servers are located in England, and they use the British Pound there, which is also relatively weak when compared to the euro (recent happening). The Icelandic Krona has been plummeting in value link and link. The Icelandic Krona has been declining in value the last six months, one dollar now buys you 20% more Krona then six months ago. The dollar vs. the euro hasn't changed that much in the last six months. Neither has the britisch Pound... So tell my why CCP is raising prices? They're only making more money with the crashing Krona prices as all their income comes from foreign currencies, and only part of their costs are paid in the weak Pound (servers/bandwidth), not to mention that part of their new development team is located in the US (Atlanta for WoD). Personally I think they raised prices because they think they can get away with it, and they are probably right...
Raskor Crossflow Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.24 16:11:00 - [14] Edited by: Raskor on 24/05/2008 16:11:51 Originally by: Cergorach So tell my why CCP is raising prices? My guess would be so they get more of the take. You don't seriously think the authorized resellers are selling them for charity? The authorized reseller buys them for X and sells them for Y and keeps the difference (profit/markup). Changing the price probably allows CCP to keep the full 15/month (or nearer to it) while still giving enough profit to make it worth the resellers time.
Cergorach The Helix Foundation	Posted - 2008.05.24 16:39:00 - [15] Originally by: Raskor Edited by: Raskor on 24/05/2008 16:11:51 My guess would be so they get more of the take. You don't seriously think the authorized resellers are selling them for charity? You do know what a retorical question is... Right... ;-)

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