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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.06.13 22:08:00 -
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You have successfully brought the up to now lightly used nerf bat into full swing.
Once again it feels like I am in a mmporg where the makers of it are falling into appeasement of the untactfull, lazy, and quite frankly STUPID players.
I also thank MoO for causing a lot of the changes - way to go jackasses.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
Edited by: The Wretch on 13/06/2003 22:10:30
Edited by: The Wretch on 13/06/2003 22:10:47
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.06.13 22:22:00 -
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"The MWD now has a 50% penality to shield and 25% penalty to capacitor. This module was not suposed to be as popular as it currently is, players will now think twice before equipping it to their ship.
The MWD was making afterburners useless and the difference on ship speed was also not working as it should, specially for Minmatar."
So can we get a refund on them and on the skill pacs also? Why the hell would we of wanted to waist the time of training for them and buying the skills if they were to be like this? We would not of and just kept up with the afterburners as you say.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Stengerlan
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Posted - 2003.06.13 22:27:00 -
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Funny how a few loudmouth griefers will come here, make a lot of noise, and try to scare CCP. Fact is, the majority of their customers are good players, in the game playing, and not trolling the forums.
MWD's were being used for what they weren't designed for. Simple.. Now, a good player can strap one on, and go mining, and if a gimp griefer comes up and tries to gank, fire it off. Because its unlikely a ganker will use one now. (or should we say abuse?)
These are all good changes, I applaud CCP for standing up to the tiny minority of griefers trying to subvert the game.
"The 10 bucks a jerk gives you is NOT worth as much as the 10 bucks a peaceful player gives you." -Developer of a Major mmorpg.
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Tooms
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Posted - 2003.06.13 22:27:00 -
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yep...
/acct cancelled
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Logan Mithel
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Posted - 2003.06.13 22:37:00 -
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it's called balance Wretchison, learn balance grass-hoppa and the true meaning of life will be revealed.
Cyberdyne ... isn't that from Terminator? orginal.
thank you, please drive thru.
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.06.13 22:37:00 -
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"Funny how a few loudmouth griefers will come here, make a lot of noise, and try to scare CCP. Fact is, the majority of their customers are good players, in the game playing, and not trolling the forums."
Funny how a few lame whiners will come here, make a lot of noise, and try to scare CCP. Fact is, the majority of their customers are good players, in the game playing, and not trolling the forums.
Myself and corp are not griefers, we are not even pirates. But this IS SUPPOSED TO BE A HARD CORE PVP GAME. Carebares need not be in this game.
I personally got involved with this game because I thought it would be a challenge for once.
But now we are heading to a completely carebear environment. I don't want npc protection - that is the players/corps job. I am all for high security area protection, but this is getting rediculous.
One can say go to 0.0 systems to get good pvp - oh sure. Pick one of several thousand to go to and try and find some fun pvp with a server pop of less then 6000 players.
Damn I hate lame whiny players. It appears they will continue to ruin the fun for everyone in any game everywhere.
Then you have ppl like MoO who are equally to blame for this stupid patch.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2003.06.13 22:44:00 -
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You stupid little pathetic fool for blaming the nerfing on m0o corp. Im getting tired of everyone blaming m0o for anything bad that happens in this game. We ARE NOT responsible for the nerf. All the people who petitioned and complained until they were blue in the face are who you should be 'thanking' as you sarcastically put it. The accused have had much success, they've helped nerf all the best weapons and modules, they've helped reduce the chance of pVp or made it impractical, they've basically requested that all that is fun be removed from Eve. So now we are left with a mining simulation and a market in which you can only sell the items people dont want. Im sure many will be glad to know that Im considering giving the game up. Im not prepared to pay for a game where the boundaries are constantly changed according to our actions, not to mention the GM podkilling, the bugs, the numerous patches to fix the problems created by previous patches, and the endless whining from a portion of the community who make completely unfounded claims as to our use of exploits. Its just not fun anymore.
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Tooms
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Posted - 2003.06.13 22:47:00 -
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ya, mining simulation 4 life. Not even any risk in traveling anymore.
Eve Online: The Second Trammel
Edited by: Tooms on 13/06/2003 22:49:35
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Raven DeBlade
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Posted - 2003.06.13 22:52:00 -
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Then stop using exploits then!!! we all know for a fact you have used numerous exploits.
"To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.06.13 22:52:00 -
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You know what Lord Zap? You are right on most of your reply. If it was not your corp putting ppls feet to the fire someone else would of eventually.
This game is turning into to as much fun a a Monopoly board game.
I never though CCP would give into this. They designed the game to be dangerous and encourage team play. Don't want to get waxed at jump gates then BRING YOUR TEAM.
This is pointless. I have 3 months paid subscription. I'll give it that and see what happens.
Definately a huge set back in my opinion of this game.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Wolfsfable
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Posted - 2003.06.13 22:54:00 -
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Bye bye griefers don't let the doorknob hit you on the ass on your way out the door.
Sucks when the shoe is on the other foot doesn't it. Well if you guys where such ub3r pl4y4z you should have no problem replacing your now obsolete balanced weapon systems.
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Alex Magnesia
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Posted - 2003.06.13 22:56:00 -
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Find another corp of like-minded players.
Proceed to declare war and blow the crap out of each other.
Or unless you mean hardcore pvp, where your hardcore acts destroy and **** off other players who are not able to defend themselves against your leet 'sploiting self?
Btw, care bears always win in the end, so do the galaxy a favour and /terminate.
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.06.13 22:56:00 -
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Screw this - you thought moo was bad just wait whiners.....
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Cachorro Louco
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Posted - 2003.06.13 22:57:00 -
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I thought the whining was bad before but this takes the cake. WAA WAA WAAA! I WANT MY MOMMY!! WAA WAA WAA!
Mad Dog says:
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2003.06.13 23:01:00 -
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Since when does "Hardcore PvP" mean "Pick on defenseless miners and scientists and traders"?
Move your wannabe pirate butts out to 0.0 space where you belong. The people you find there will be ready and willing to fight. Or is that not what you want?
It's pointless to whine about the whiners and call them carebears. The griefers were the real carebears in this game. They got all the rewards with zero risks and zero consequences. It's FAR MORE dangerous to be a miner than it is a pirate.
Hopefully this patch will change that, and weed out the wannabes.
Zap- These changes are MEANT to make griefers cancel their accounts. If you think CCP wants you in the game, you're mistaken. When the griefers are gone, there will still be pirates. There will always be pirates, it's human nature. Your leaving will only make the game better.
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.06.13 23:05:00 -
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You don't get it -
My corp does not grieve. Never pirated either. ACTUALLY WE WERE ABOUT TO MOUNT A HEAVY COUNTER OFFENSIVE AGAINST SEVERAL PIRATE CORPS this weekend and collect bounties.
But now that we have all this fluff whats the point? No need to go after the pirates and try to build a fast reputation for selling security services huh. Now CONCORD rules all.
Get a clue.
Looking forward to podding you.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Wolfsfable
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Posted - 2003.06.13 23:05:00 -
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I CANT KILL YOUR 11 MILL ISK CRUISER IN 3 SECONDS ANYMORE WTF!!!!1!1!!1!!!
DAMN CAREBEAR DIEE!!!
(Warning you are entering a protected area)
Sentry gun shoots you in the ass for 1,000 points of damage
Sentry gun shoots you in the ass for 1,000 damage
Wolfsfable hits you for for a wrecking 234 points of damage.
Wolfsfable is now 7,000,000 isk richer
Buhahahaha ROTFLMFAO
You are the weakest link......goodbye!!!
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Xelios
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Posted - 2003.06.13 23:05:00 -
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It's gone a little to the way of the carebear I agree, but something needed to be done, downing a top end cruiser in 10 seconds should not be possible, neither should podding people in a 1.0 newbie system. Although I feel the pain, my Hydraulic Stabilizers do less than half what they used to =/
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2003.06.13 23:12:00 -
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"My corp does not grieve. Never pirated either. ACTUALLY WE WERE ABOUT TO MOUNT A HEAVY COUNTER OFFENSIVE AGAINST SEVERAL PIRATE CORPS this weekend and collect bounties."
What's stopping you? Those pirates have to go somewhere. Find them and go kill them. Nothing's changed except that you might have to look harder. That's GOOD. Pirates setting up static blockades in Empire Space was stupid anyway.
"But now that we have all this fluff whats the point? No need to go after the pirates and try to build a fast reputation for selling security services huh. Now CONCORD rules all."
Like I said, get out to 0.0 space. Find miners out there who want protection so they can get better ore. They'll gladly pay for that protection.
Miners were forced out to 0.0. It's about time you were, too. And the griefers/pirates as well. There's no reason at all why miners had to go to 0.0 space, but criminals could stay safe and sound inside Empire Space. It was stupid.
"Get a clue.
Looking forward to podding you."
Yah well, I have a clue. Haven't been destroyed/podded yet despite numerous encounters with Moo, and I even have a Moo corpse in my hangar to prove it.
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Stengerlan
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Posted - 2003.06.13 23:13:00 -
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I've noticed all the ghey guilds and clans from other games are coming here. You know, the guilds and clans the other games DONT WANT.
Whats with Eve? A big sign pop up that said "Buy this game, we love gankers, ****ers and dweebs, and we will welcome you!".
I love how gankers say "If you think it was bad before, JUST WAIT NOW, I cant wait to ownzor you!!".. Like someone ****ed in your easter basket, and now you have to go beat up your little brother because of it? Are you guys like all 14 or 15?? Get a life.
Do us all a favor, cancel your accounts now, go play Counterstrike or something. Nobody wants your sorry arses here.
/goes back to mining
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Wolfsfable
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Posted - 2003.06.13 23:14:00 -
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Hay as long as you're not waiting for me to warp in or undock..or spamming me with cans to get me to lag out....or hitting me with obsurb damage from one damn gun....or sending gang invites to distract the action....or using any damn station in any sec area you what when you're the worst POS -10.0 sec having griefer in the game..
I welcome to challege of a good PvP game or a good game of cat & mouse...
But I don't like CHEEEESSSEE with my wine. And if you wanna cheese too then you will be getting awfully bored with this game really quick. It's now apparent CCP will listen to the majority over the immature griefers.
Catch me if ya can ;)
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Wolfsfable
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Posted - 2003.06.13 23:15:00 -
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Holy double post BATMAN!
Edited by: Wolfsfable on 13/06/2003 23:16:35
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Zuul
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Posted - 2003.06.13 23:26:00 -
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It is plain that CCP does not want their game to get a reputation for griefing and ganking, and the shrieks of derision coming from the griefer crowd are proof that CCP is succeeding in achieving their aim. From what I can tell, EVE has attracted the worst elements from several other mmorpg's and CCP is getting the point across that their business is not wanted.
These guys are like locusts. They invade a game, strip it clean of all that is fun about it, and then move on. Let's hope they hurry up and finish SWG so these morons leave and go ruin another game.
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SavageRabbit
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Posted - 2003.06.13 23:31:00 -
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Zap, that you bud? Long time no see...
Although I feel a little sympathy for those who have spent the time getting MWD (only to discover that this patch no longer makes it what they are after), I don't see how it is a major carebear issue.
As far as m0o's (or any other pirate's) tactics go they can still warp-scramble you at a station. They can still pummel you into a pod (and beyond). What they can't do is dock, undock, dock, undock, dock, undock and neither can anyone else.
Is this making the game more carebear(ish)? Or is it making pirating a slightly more risky occupation?
A pirate vs. a miner has the upper hand whether the yhae MWD or not. 4 mining lasers + MWD vs. 4 hybrids/laders/projectiles + other damage enhancing/warp scrambling modules still leaves the pirate with a distinctive upperhand. If that pirate has a warp-scrambler, stasis webifier + some good damage weapons then there is still a good chance of having a dead miner at the end.
People may complain that this isn't fair but it DOES even the odds a little. Why should a pirate have such a serious advantage over a miner in a similar craft? To be honest, if that pirate has a MWD and damage dealing guns vs. a miner with mining lasers then that advantage still exists.
The problem with Eve is that true PvP is few and far between. Miners (and to a lesser degree traders) have radically different equipment setups to pirates/agressors. This is a problem that lies deep within the game mechanics and won't be resolved any time soon. In my opinion this recent change goes just a little way to evening up the odds.
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Vachir
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Posted - 2003.06.13 23:36:00 -
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I have to agree, not because of the MWD change specifically (as they were blatantly unbalanced before), but a lot of things lately, especially the GM battleships and a wide range of nerfs, are starting to suck the potential out of this game. If things continue to take away from the fun aspects (like PvP) in order to protect the rest (mining) things are going to get boring pretty fast.
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Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.06.13 23:46:00 -
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Sten, you sure do talk a lot for someone using a mule account to post.
Every pirate is not a griefer. Some of us work our butts off to work a serious (tongue in cheek) RP, make life bearable for our victims, and fun for the bounty hunters.
Yes getting pirated does suck. I know, my alt has been pirated many times. We try to make our playstyle as painless for you as possible. The money was ask for won't bankrupt you, the cargo we ask for most of the time allows you to still make a profit, and we are civil to everyone the first time around. Hell, we've even let 'noob' observers hang around and watch what we're doing.
And don't tell me we don't have enough players online to handle at most 200 pirates scattered across 5,000 sytems. I've seen what TTI can muster in a matter of hours (actually, it was about half an hour). There are Merc corps out there, Hire them to protect the trade routes and your miners. INTERACT with other people. Mercs and Bounty hunters like hunting pirates, Pirates like hunting miners and convoys, miners like hunting the rare roids and haulers like looking for the uberest trade route. We are all apart of the community and for this community to move beyond anything other than constant, petty, and pathetic bickering we must ALL work together from us Evil Pirates to the most humble n00b mining Pyro for cash.
/rantoff
sheesh.
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The Slayer
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Posted - 2003.06.13 23:46:00 -
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Well I think both parties have a right to their own opinion in this. The people in m0o and other such clans are entitiled to play the game in whichever way they wish, be that piracy, mining or trading.
HOWEVER other people have exactly the same right, and as payers to CCP they deserve to be able to play the game WITHOUT it being spoiled by PK'ers intent on killing everyone in sight.
Each argument has two sides, and neither of the sides in this one are thinking about that.
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Pann
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Posted - 2003.06.14 00:07:00 -
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"When Good Threads Go Bad: Take 98098"
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.06.14 00:08:00 -
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First of all I¦d like to suggest that all of you go and read the forum rules. There have been some pretty tough violations in here as well as in numerous other posts. You should really read those rules before a mod comes to show them to you the hard way. Be friendly for god¦s sake... sheesh.
Now to the topic:
The game hasn¦t been nerfed in any way and it¦s NOT a carebear game in any way. What happened is CCP made the highsec areas more safe, just way it¦s supposed to be. It way always clear that it would be like this and if you don¦t realise this then please go and read the background stories, FAQ and concepts of the game. Just understand that the high-security areas ARE NOT supposed to be places where pirates can go rampant and stuff like that.
If you want to fight, move into 0.0 space. TherÚ are thousands of systems available where you won¦t even get a real sechit for killing people. Those are the places that have been designed for you so go to the systems that have SPECIFICALLY BEEN DESIGNED FOR YOU.
If you want to fight in secure areas then take the risk of CONCORD coming to get you. It¦s so simple I just don¦t understand what¦s so fraking difficult to understand about this.
The changes that came into the game are changes that came out of CCPs head for the most part so deal with them or leave the game. And for once try NOT to blame other people for things that you don¦t like. Moo, just like all other players in the game aren¦t responsible for what happenened, CCP is. Yes, moo did use some rather unpolite opportunities and playstiles to do what they wanted to do but if they wouldn¦t have done it... others would. We can even be glad that these changes came now and not later when tens and hundreds of corps would start using the same methods.
Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 14/06/2003 00:09:12
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