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Llone Kila
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:37:00 -
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Just a quick question guys
what are the chance's of a 8500m/s crow catching and stopping a 7200m/s Vagabond without dieing.
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AstroPhobic
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:40:00 -
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Very, very, very little. It better have backup at instawarp, even then it's probably going to die.
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Llone Kila
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:42:00 -
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ok, thanks. i wont try it then
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Hannobaal
Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:45:00 -
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Even if the Vagabond's autocannons don't tear him apart very quickly (which they would), at those kinds of speeds you only need a couple of quick manual maneuvers and you can push him out his warp disruptor range and warp off (even if he's a lot faster).
But yeah, the Vagabond can kill pretty much any interceptor that tries to mess with it anyway.
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Gneeznow
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:49:00 -
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if the crow had an overloaded web and good knowledge of transversal you have a slight chance, but i would wager 90% chance of the vaga tearing you to pieces
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Llone Kila
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:56:00 -
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Yeah, thanks guys. im docking in fear now
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LonliVietBoiZ
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Posted - 2008.05.25 01:44:00 -
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u can try this, most vaga dont have an web on, so if you can lock him, web and orbit him at high speed(keeping tranversal up) close range( about 5km or below) b4 he shoot u down i thik you are good( cause his gun wont be able to track you) but then he'll also have 5 light drone on you too, so u getter shoot those down b4 they pop u.
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Stefan F
Enrave Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:07:00 -
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I'm able to do it, with a hyena that is, dual webs, disruptor. Most important thing is to get transversal up as quickly as possible after you got him webbed. He is not going to maneuvre out of web range with a 98% speed reduction (about 120-160m/s left)
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AstroPhobic
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:14:00 -
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What most of you guys above fail to realize is that a vagabond isn't going to just sit and let him catch you. (Oh darn!) You have to chase him... and between about 30 and 8km, you're going to be absolutely melted by his/her ACs and drones. Plus, if they are scared AT ALL, they can just switch directions, and either you fall to 0 transversal because you're trying to orbit or keep at, or you get burned because you're navigating manually at 8k/s.
Astro
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Naviset
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic What most of you guys above fail to realize is that a vagabond isn't going to just sit and let him catch you. (Oh darn!) You have to chase him... and between about 30 and 8km, you're going to be absolutely melted by his/her ACs and drones. Plus, if they are scared AT ALL, they can just switch directions, and either you fall to 0 transversal because you're trying to orbit or keep at, or you get burned because you're navigating manually at 8k/s.
Astro
Holy crap somebody with experience on how the game REALLY works poasting on the forums.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.25 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Naviset
Originally by: AstroPhobic What most of you guys above fail to realize is that a vagabond isn't going to just sit and let him catch you. (Oh darn!) You have to chase him... and between about 30 and 8km, you're going to be absolutely melted by his/her ACs and drones. Plus, if they are scared AT ALL, they can just switch directions, and either you fall to 0 transversal because you're trying to orbit or keep at, or you get burned because you're navigating manually at 8k/s.
Astro
Holy crap somebody with experience on how the game REALLY works poasting on the forums.
no, its really because eft says a vaga does more dps than a crow duh
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Diomidis
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 11:11:00 -
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The same crow won't get much chances even against a way slower Vaga... Now if you absolutely wan't to kill the vaga with the support of a few sniping HASes or sth, you can do it - still the webbing inty will be practically sacrificed for it...
Also do not forget that it's not completely crazy to find webbing or even med-neuting (that's up to heated-webber range) Vagas...So 5km orbiting etc is not that clever...and orbiting in such ranges surely cannot be attained with 8.5km/sec...even half of that I guesstimate is a good speed...and those ACs + possible warrior IIs will chew through
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Kis Kecheri
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Posted - 2008.05.25 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Kis Kecheri on 25/05/2008 12:03:23 I wouldn't even bother trying to get closer then overloaded warp disrupter range in my crow. Maybe shoot his drones up a bit before they eat me.
In that short time I would also want a Rapier to web then drop a Carrier on him.
That should teach him.
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Megan Maynard
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.05.25 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Stefan F I'm able to do it, with a hyena that is, dual webs, disruptor. Most important thing is to get transversal up as quickly as possible after you got him webbed. He is not going to maneuvre out of web range with a 98% speed reduction (about 120-160m/s left)
The only two ships I fear in a hyena, is the vaga and the minmatar recons.....
Vaga's are damn near impossible to keep webbed unless you overheat, second most fit 180's with barrage, and third they all have warrier 2's.
Those three combo's are nasty even in a hyena, I know, i fly it alot.
My only losses in a hyena were to a vaga, huggin, and a drake after I bounced off an astroid. (That REALLY ****ed me off lol.) Miz Stelth Bomerz iz the ****nit.
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Dreadpilot Roberts
Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.25 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Naviset
Originally by: AstroPhobic What most of you guys above fail to realize is that a vagabond isn't going to just sit and let him catch you. (Oh darn!) You have to chase him... and between about 30 and 8km, you're going to be absolutely melted by his/her ACs and drones. Plus, if they are scared AT ALL, they can just switch directions, and either you fall to 0 transversal because you're trying to orbit or keep at, or you get burned because you're navigating manually at 8k/s.
Astro
Holy crap somebody with experience on how the game REALLY works poasting on the forums.
no, its really because eft says a vaga does more dps than a crow duh
Maybe not all forum posters are EFT warriors like you. And tbh its not about the dps its about hp buffer
Uhm to answer the OP, the crow that wants to tackle and web vaga is a dead crow. He might succeed in webbing and surviving long enough for another nano fleet member to catch up and put a web on him (ishtar sacri Huginn/Rapier), but pretty much an inty will die to a vaga if he tries to web him.
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Kis Kecheri
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Posted - 2008.05.25 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dreadpilot Roberts
Maybe not all forum posters are EFT warriors like you. And tbh its not about the dps its about hp buffer
Uhm to answer the OP...
He was being- oh, nvm.
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Ryysa
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.25 13:52:00 -
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I think it is mandatory to have a med neut on a vaga in the last highslot. It serves exactly one purpose - protection against comedy killmails.
That said, crow (even significantly faster crow) vs properly fitted and piloted vaga, lives about 1-1.5 volleys from the vaga's guns after it comes in range.
A ceptor must be very stupid to fly after a vagabond. I used to set the speed to half on my snaked vaga, to let some ceptors barely catch up, then instapop them while all their friends were watching at 120km. Fun times.
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easei
AnTi. Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kis Kecheri Edited by: Kis Kecheri on 25/05/2008 12:03:23 I wouldn't even bother trying to get closer then overloaded warp disrupter range in my crow.
This post is wrong, your 100x safer under his guns then in his "actual optimal." I can assure you a double fall-off rigged d180 vagabond with EMP will make a far out orbit quite painful.
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AstroPhobic
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: easei
Originally by: Kis Kecheri Edited by: Kis Kecheri on 25/05/2008 12:03:23 I wouldn't even bother trying to get closer then overloaded warp disrupter range in my crow.
This post is wrong, your 100x safer under his guns then in his "actual optimal." I can assure you a double fall-off rigged d180 vagabond with EMP will make a far out orbit quite painful.
It's not being at a 2km orbit (although you will probably die there too), it's getting to a 2km orbit that's painful. From 20 to about 5 km, you're going to be absolutely raped.
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Rei Toai
Faaip De Oiad
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Posted - 2008.05.25 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Rei Toai on 25/05/2008 15:00:33 the only way to catch a vagabond with a interceptor - would be a "surprise" tackle with a 500m orbit. if you can't slap the web on him in a minimum of time and get under his guns your ceptor will likely melt like some piece of ice in the summer.
"surprise" tackle normally work well after jump-throughs. if he's stupid enough to sit still (and 20k or so away from you) while your ceptor is jump-cloaked your chances are high to get a tackle on him by using an MWD burst and approaching him.
best bet is imho a tanked ceptor - since you *will* be hit, either by his drones or by some lucky hits of his ACs. and hope he doesn't have a web and/or neut. __________________________________
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Kis Kecheri
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Posted - 2008.05.25 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Kis Kecheri on 25/05/2008 15:21:59
Originally by: easei
Originally by: Kis Kecheri Edited by: Kis Kecheri on 25/05/2008 12:03:23 I wouldn't even bother trying to get closer then overloaded warp disrupter range in my crow.
This post is wrong, your 100x safer under his guns then in his "actual optimal." I can assure you a double fall-off rigged d180 vagabond with EMP will make a far out orbit quite painful.
Correct me if I'm wrong but we are talking about a standard Nano Vaga with Poly Carbs right? My overloaded Domination Warp Disrupter tags at 36k. I should have specified.
I think we have already established that Vaga vs Crow is pretty one sided. He can force you to break off or die in many ways.
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Diomidis
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kis Kecheri Correct me if I'm wrong but we are talking about a standard Nano Vaga with Poly Carbs right? My overloaded Domination Warp Disrupter tags at 36k. I should have specified.
Edit: Actually I have a tracting disruptor in my 3rd Mid slot.
I think we have already established that Vaga vs Crow is pretty one sided. He can force you to break off or die in many ways.
So, you fit your Crow with Domi-Scram and TD...the rest is what? Sensor Booster? When you fight so close to your max locking range vs. a "standard fitted" nearly as fast as you ship, it's pretty easy for him to break lock and get away...
You heat your scram, he heats MWD away...you might catch up, you might not. TD could keep you alive, but the OP is about catching and stoping, not perma-scraming (sth you cannot do as you will have to stop your TD or MWD sooner or later due to cap)...
Yes, Yes, a recon might jumpt to you after a few seconds - the time required for both of you to be withing 150km away, but chances are good that he will be out of reach before the rapier / huginn catches up etc etc...Once a really fast ship desides to run, u either manage to snipe it, or web it...a single Crow rarely will succeed. It's possible, yet not for the forum warriors to decide. I've seen Torp ravens KMs got by Iteron Vs pilot. I mean, it can be done somehow...it's not the norm by anyway.
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Psorion
The Nine Gates
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Posted - 2008.05.25 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kis Kecheri Edited by: Kis Kecheri on 25/05/2008 12:03:23 I wouldn't even bother trying to get closer then overloaded warp disrupter range in my crow. Maybe shoot his drones up a bit before they eat me.
In that short time I would also want a Rapier to web then drop a Carrier on him.
That should teach him.
Hehehe..
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Nicholas Barker
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.05.25 17:21:00 -
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orbit him and wait for his cap to die out, then call in the gang. ---
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AstroPhobic
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Posted - 2008.05.25 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Barker orbit him and wait for his cap to die out, then call in the gang.
Did you miss the part where a vagabond will *****you with a max transversal of about 1200m/s and MWD penalty, the part where the vagabond has 5 light drones, or the part where by the time a gang member warps there, they're out of huginn web range?
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