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Aelius	Posted - 2004.05.04 08:06:00 - [1] Some people are very very lame. Selfish carebears that want EVE to be a carebear land. I still remember when 0.4 space had no sentry guns and, sometimes, killing spree occured. M0o camped systems like Mara in the old highwaysless days. So now they putted sentries in 0.1 to 0.4 and if someone by any chance gets to kill someone there "they" still whine. Perhaps its time CCP give to their demands and install a "Death Star" in each gate in every system that will gank any player that stands in their carebear way of life. Let the games begin! Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station
Siddy	Posted - 2004.05.04 08:11:00 - [2] Edited by: Siddy on 04/05/2004 08:12:07 WTB: Death Star BPo -------------------------------------------
Cardassius	Posted - 2004.05.04 08:14:00 - [3] Sentry gun range is 50km? Stop calling people carebear because if there are carebears those are pirates, they are the ones that care most..about their own money. ASCI Recruiting!
Silverlancer	Posted - 2004.05.04 09:20:00 - [4] Edited by: Silverlancer on 04/05/2004 09:21:16 The thing that people are whining about in Atlar is that while it is legal to tank the sentries, they must be able to do damage to you if you are in their range. So its perfectly legal to tank, but sensor damping them stops them from being able to shoot you, just like Zombie stopped concord from being able to KILL them (requirements here: sentry guns must be able to shoot, although you can tank, and concord MUST be able to kill. CCP's unstated rules.) At least thats what they say. I do not endorse the above statement.
Aelius	Posted - 2004.05.04 09:26:00 - [5] Originally by: Silverlancer Edited by: Silverlancer on 04/05/2004 09:21:16 The thing that people are whining about in Atlar is that while it is legal to tank the sentries, they must be able to do damage to you if you are in their range. So its perfectly legal to tank, but sensor damping them stops them from being able to shoot you, just like Zombie stopped concord from being able to KILL them (requirements here: sentry guns must be able to shoot, although you can tank, and concord MUST be able to kill. CCP's unstated rules.) At least thats what they say. I do not endorse the above statement. In the old days there weren't any guns in 0.4. Sentrys in low sec. space are ebil carebear WMDs. So if they weren't there, there wouldn't be nothing to sensor damper. Sollution? Remove the sentrys from 0.4 and below and let the game breath. Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station
Gala Atomica	Posted - 2004.05.04 09:29:00 - [6] You guys got kicked of 0.0 by non pirates coalitions?
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2004.05.04 09:36:00 - [7] The solution needs to be much more than sentry guns or lack of. If you remove them from 0.4 and lower, the dividing line just become 0.5 safe - rest dangerous, instead of 0.1 safe - 0.0 dangerous. There is no graduation at all in the systems, no reason for having more security status than 1 and 0 - it needs a graduated response, something where time and the size of the pirate force come into play. Larger forces of pirates should be more able to press into Empire than lone campers, CONCORD should respond with a gradual build up, timed responses growing in power - anything to make it less polarised than our current situation of SAFE / NOT SAFE. Removing sentry guns doesn't solve that problem - it just moves it closer to the core systems.
Aelius	Posted - 2004.05.04 09:44:00 - [8] Edited by: Aelius on 04/05/2004 10:00:23 How about big and little concord? 0.1 little frigates ------> 1.0 BIG MEAN BS ------> = Building in power, and asking for reenforcements over time. Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2004.05.04 09:51:00 - [9] Building over time, yes, so that pirates could invade systems, but limited by time. It would also mean they have to plan their resources and forces to combat a CONCORD build up - from destroying weaker CONCORD scouts to combatting the final fleet. The game would be so much more dynamic than the current gate-camping which excites neither the law abiding players nor the thrill seeking pirate.
Aelius	Posted - 2004.05.04 10:03:00 - [10] And if Concord "senses" their ships are beeing pinned down, more than sending reenforcements, Concord will also issue a travelers warning to that system. Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station
Anna K	Posted - 2004.05.04 10:06:00 - [11] I don't see what's wrong with actual system (if sentries worked...) 0.5 to 1.0 : you're safe everywhere (but not at 100%), 0.1 to 0.4 : you're safe at stations and stargates only, 0.0 : pray for your life. I think that's quite fair, and I don't know why pvpers want to make all the systems in EVE "ganking" places or why carebears want to make EVE a trade only game.
Jay Gatsby	Posted - 2004.05.04 10:43:00 - [12] The whole thing's so totally schizoid that the only way to solve it is to have guns shoot lithium doses instead of ammo.
Lianhaun	Posted - 2004.05.04 10:59:00 - [13] Our guru Jean paul Gaultier has said it before: More is more and less is a bore Amen This is not a hijack
Ulendar	Posted - 2004.05.04 11:00:00 - [14] I have been preaching for an incremented respons from CONCORD for MONTHS... Imho this will never happen. Back when there were no sentries in 0.4-0.1 yet and m0o was going on gankfests, people whined these sentries away. I have always asked myself..why?? M0o were in keyroute systems like mara and passari. People KNEW this, hell if you didn't know that m0o was in passari then you simply were not of this planet. People knew, everyone KNEW and STILL they would jump into passari, die and then imidiatly head for the forums to post exactly how unfairly they were 'ganked' and lost everything they had ect ect... Why oh why? i simply do not understand and NEVER will. Now what m0o also did however was go into 1.0 systems and pod nubs. At this point CCP decided to put a stop to it and so sentries were beefed, concord was beefed ect. But this was already after the sentrieguns spawning all over empire space. Imho... Anything thats not 1.0 and 0.9 space should be unsafe to a certain and minimal extent. Concord responds...but slower.. Anything below 0.5 shouldn't have sentries..but it should have cops. Cops that get tougher as you keep killing them ect. The policeresponses would be come unmanageble after a while and so you would have to break off the blockading... Also this would shift the favor for player bountyhunters to engage pirates and claim their bounties. Whetever the case...anything is better then the current system.. The current system allows absolutly NO PVP in empire space. Well its possible but bye bye secrating. There should be minor pirating and bountyhunting in empire space. There should be skirmishes ect and these skirmished should not be severly punished by uber sentrie + uber concord + secrating hit wich is uber unfixable... Common...the cureent security mechanics serve NONE other then people why mine, mine, mine, mine and keep mining and never ever to anything else... Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this. It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
Lao Tzu	Posted - 2004.05.04 11:11:00 - [15] Quote: M0o were in keyroute systems like mara and passari. People KNEW this, hell if you didn't know that m0o was in passari then you simply were not of this planet. I was selling dirt cheap newbie gear in Nonni at the time, people used region wide quick buys alot, so had the choice of leaving there 40k bantam to rot, or risking m0o. I didn't realise at the time, but I must have lured tens if not hundereds of noobs to their fates. (yes 40k was cheap for a bantam back then)
Maidel	Posted - 2004.05.04 11:11:00 - [16] hmmm - no PVP in empire space? what planet are u on - Ive been downed 2 times - legaly - in empire space. Thats why the declare war button exists. - just think about it - pirate corp finds spot in 1.0 that the target corp flys through - declares war and camps the spot- gank as much as u want and there are no repercussions. Im totally confused about this 'lack of PVP' thing. I dont go into 0.0 for pvp i stay where i am and fight wars against minmitar terrorists. - it makes empire space just as danagerous as 0.0 space (accept they actually come looking for us - rather than just camping star gates). So i wish ppl would stop complaining about gate guns and where they are - and accept that is how it worked and use CCP system to wage war. PS - i also wish ppl would stop complaining about Zombie - they have every right to do it and if they can then good on them. 'Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Sansha's Ravager, wrecking for 554.6 damage. - they do work occationally'
Ulendar	Posted - 2004.05.04 11:19:00 - [17] Originally by: Maidel hmmm - no PVP in empire space? what planet are u on - Ive been downed 2 times - legaly - in empire space. Thats why the declare war button exists. - just think about it - pirate corp finds spot in 1.0 that the target corp flys through - declares war and camps the spot- gank as much as u want and there are no repercussions. Im totally confused about this 'lack of PVP' thing. I dont go into 0.0 for pvp i stay where i am and fight wars against minmitar terrorists. - it makes empire space just as danagerous as 0.0 space (accept they actually come looking for us - rather than just camping star gates). So i wish ppl would stop complaining about gate guns and where they are - and accept that is how it worked and use CCP system to wage war. PS - i also wish ppl would stop complaining about Zombie - they have every right to do it and if they can then good on them. APologies...i neclected to mention 'random PVP'. As in the good old bountyhunter VS pirate type of PVP. These corps dont generally have wars on eachother (since each corp only has 3 to declare). Being obligated to declare a war on each piratecorp (when your a bountyhunter) just to be able to kill them is stupid... And i dont feel like getting on the whole racething myself...is that a crime? I dont feel that i should dislike or kill every amarr i run across just cause im matari O_o Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this. It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
Phios Phane	Posted - 2004.05.04 11:24:00 - [18] Originally by: Aelius Some people are very very lame. Selfish carebears that want EVE to be a carebear land. I still remember when 0.4 space had no sentry guns and, sometimes, killing spree occured. M0o camped systems like Mara in the old highwaysless days. So now they putted sentries in 0.1 to 0.4 and if someone by any chance gets to kill someone there "they" still whine. Perhaps its time CCP give to their demands and install a "Death Star" in each gate in every system that will gank any player that stands in their carebear way of life. Let the games begin! hmmmm ok lets do this the other way round. maybe CCP should give everyone an uber leet mega beam that kills everything within 20 a/u that has mining laser fitted, in 1 shot. would that meet your whiney ganker needs enough ? --------------------------- The Cold War, EVE style ... [ 2004.10.17 10:04:18 ] Crystal DeAngelis > is cos teh vietkong used littel groups and didnt get any lag
Maidel	Posted - 2004.05.04 11:30:00 - [19] Originally by: Ulendar And i dont feel like getting on the whole racething myself...is that a crime? I dont feel that i should dislike or kill every amarr i run across just cause im matari O_o why do u have to get involved in rp for corp wars? i know of plenty of 'pirate corps' who have found nice little manfacturing/mining corps in empire space - declared war and walked off with all their stuff - seems liket he way to go. I do however see ur point about bounty hunters - dont really want to declare war on mOo just to get one guy - but if they're sec status is low enough then u can get them in empire anyway. 'Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Sansha's Ravager, wrecking for 554.6 damage. - they do work occationally'
Ulendar	Posted - 2004.05.04 11:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Maidel Originally by: Ulendar And i dont feel like getting on the whole racething myself...is that a crime? I dont feel that i should dislike or kill every amarr i run across just cause im matari O_o why do u have to get involved in rp for corp wars? i know of plenty of 'pirate corps' who have found nice little manfacturing/mining corps in empire space - declared war and walked off with all their stuff - seems liket he way to go. I do however see ur point about bounty hunters - dont really want to declare war on mOo just to get one guy - but if they're sec status is low enough then u can get them in empire anyway. Yes IF their secrating is low enough...alot of pirates dont go that low because they like to buy stuff from empire space without training 184118 alts to do it for them :/ Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this. It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
Maidel	Posted - 2004.05.04 11:40:00 - [21] LOL - now its an alt issue - which is another matter entirely - ban all alts - personal oppinion - might improve the market + bring bounty hunters something to kill in 0.4 space. 'Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Sansha's Ravager, wrecking for 554.6 damage. - they do work occationally'
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2004.05.04 11:43:00 - [22] Originally by: Ulendar Originally by: Maidel Originally by: Ulendar And i dont feel like getting on the whole racething myself...is that a crime? I dont feel that i should dislike or kill every amarr i run across just cause im matari O_o why do u have to get involved in rp for corp wars? i know of plenty of 'pirate corps' who have found nice little manfacturing/mining corps in empire space - declared war and walked off with all their stuff - seems liket he way to go. I do however see ur point about bounty hunters - dont really want to declare war on mOo just to get one guy - but if they're sec status is low enough then u can get them in empire anyway. Yes IF their secrating is low enough...alot of pirates dont go that low because they like to buy stuff from empire space without training 184118 alts to do it for them :/ I always thought that would make a good business - have a safe secure corp of players who for a small fee, transport industrials full of kit out to the pirates that can't get in. So long as you operated with groups you could trust and made sure the convoys were escorted, it could be a good deal. You could treat them as agents then, ask them to find the best price for something and let them do the work of searching the regions and fetching it all and haul it out to meet the escort.
Maidel	Posted - 2004.05.04 11:48:00 - [23] would be good if their alts didnt do it for them 'Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Sansha's Ravager, wrecking for 554.6 damage. - they do work occationally'
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2004.05.04 11:59:00 - [24] True - but there could still be the issue of time taken and searching the markets or manufacturing items. Mind you, supplying pirate corps could be a risky business if they decide not to pay, perhaps.
Aelius	Posted - 2004.05.04 12:17:00 - [25] Originally by: Jay Gatsby The whole thing's so totally schizoid that the only way to solve it is to have guns shoot lithium doses instead of ammo. Happy birthday, man! Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station
DeFood	Posted - 2004.05.04 12:34:00 - [26] Originally by: Ulendar Common...the cureent security mechanics serve NONE other then people why mine, mine, mine, mine and keep mining and never ever to anything else... I invite you to look at the map, overlaying the pilots online ontop of security ratings. Its not hard to see that the apparent majority of the server is already confined to a small portion of the map. As incredible as this is to belive - a lot of people arn't interested in being PK'd - or even legit PvP. Pilots already constrain their activities to sectors in which they feel confortable - making low sec sectors any less safe will simply see a corresponding concentration of traffic in higher spec traffic. Forcing players into sectors outside their confort zone will simply cause them to cancel their subscriptions - NOT provide more victims for the enjoyment of PKs.
Bella Verde	Posted - 2004.05.04 12:43:00 - [27] Nice, people who agree with me that sentry guns in 0.1 - 0.4 need to go.
Bella Verde	Posted - 2004.05.04 12:44:00 - [28] Nice, people who agree with me that sentry guns in 0.1 - 0.4 need to go.
Maidel	Posted - 2004.05.04 12:48:00 - [29] if this game is to become about PVP - then yes sentry guns in 0.4-0.1 have to go - but if this is about catering to the masses that play this game - then lets be honest - its a STUPID idea. 'Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Sansha's Ravager, wrecking for 554.6 damage. - they do work occationally'
FENCER MAZECK	Posted - 2004.05.04 12:56:00 - [30] Quote: Some people are very very lame. Selfish carebears that want EVE to be a carebear land. I still remember when 0.4 space had no sentry guns and, sometimes, killing spree occured. M0o camped systems like Mara in the old highwaysless days. So now they putted sentries in 0.1 to 0.4 and if someone by any chance gets to kill someone there "they" still whine. Perhaps its time CCP give to their demands and install a "Death Star" in each gate in every system that will gank any player that stands in their carebear way of life. Let the games begin! sigh , yet another 12yo pirate-wannabee. -Too Noobish/afraid to go out into .0 systems, so he spends his time picking on velators and shuttles with his BS...

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