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000Hunter000 Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.05.25 12:44:00 - [1] not entirely sure if i understood this right but, is ccp gonna monitor where i live and if i paid my sub in my local currency? So for instance if i live in the EU and pay my sub in gtc's paid with dollars (aka shattered crystal) i might get banned or the IRS send on my ass or something else nasty? Or did i get that wrong and did my paranoia get the better of me??? Just wanna make sure before i unwillingly break the/a law and get my door busted in and my ass dragged of to jail or worse, banned from playing eve _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.05.25 12:54:00 - [2] Source where you read this? Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Lykah Storm Perkone	Posted - 2008.05.25 12:55:00 - [3] Originally by: 000Hunter000 not entirely sure if i understood this right but, is ccp gonna monitor where i live and if i paid my sub in my local currency? So for instance if i live in the EU and pay my sub in gtc's paid with dollars (aka shattered crystal) i might get banned or the IRS send on my ass or something else nasty? Or did i get that wrong and did my paranoia get the better of me??? Just wanna make sure before i unwillingly break the/a law and get my door busted in and my ass dragged of to jail or worse, banned from playing eve You are paranoid, now I really believe it
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.05.25 13:00:00 - [4] CCP wont do anything. Its something between your bank and your "IRS". In worst case you would just get VAT and any toll added. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Copplan	Posted - 2008.05.25 13:07:00 - [5] However, if your IRS finds out you payed your playtime with untaxed virtual currency (aka ISK) you're screwed!
Shirei Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.25 13:11:00 - [6] Edited by: Shirei on 25/05/2008 13:12:58 The only one who might get legal problems about this is Shattered Crystal. They are legally required to pay EU VAT on any online services such as GTCs they offer to EU residents. If they don't, it's their problem, not the problem of whoever bought their products. CCP is just more careful about this than Shattered Crystal because they have significant operations within the EU, which could get shut down if they don't pay their taxes properly.
Estel Arador AFK	Posted - 2008.05.25 13:16:00 - [7] Originally by: 000Hunter000 So for instance if i live in the EU and pay my sub in gtc's paid with dollars (aka shattered crystal) i might get banned or the IRS send on my ass or something else nasty? Or did i get that wrong and did my paranoia get the better of me??? Dutch customs only cares about goods worth more than Ç 22,- which get delivered to the Netherlands. So if the dollar drops just a little bit more, you'll definitely be safe; else argue the the GTC was never delivered to the Netherlands. Skills Explained
Lag Hon Lag Hon Security	Posted - 2008.05.25 13:20:00 - [8] As long as you dont pay by sending CCP little bags of green plant substance you should be safe Quote: There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power governments, and tyrants, and armies can not stand. G'Kar
Shirei Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.25 13:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Estel Arador Actually it might be (depending on where you live). In most countries it's your responsibility to pay VAT and if you haven't paid it with the purchase you'll have to pay it separately. Please name one single country where consumers pay VAT to the IRS or local equivalent directly. I think you're mixing this up with import VAT, which applies to goods you buy abroad and then bring into the country, but that doesn't apply to online services. Since '03, any business selling online services to EU residents is required to register with a EU country and pay VAT on any purchases to EU residents to that country directly.
Sopha Serpentia Core Dynamics	Posted - 2008.05.25 13:37:00 - [10] Edited by: Sopha Serpentia on 25/05/2008 13:38:00 Originally by: 000Hunter000 So for instance if i live in the EU and pay my sub in gtc's paid with dollars (aka shattered crystal) i might get banned or the IRS send on my ass or something else nasty? Or did i get that wrong and did my paranoia get the better of me??? Just wanna make sure before i unwillingly break the/a law and get my door busted in and my ass dragged of to jail or worse, banned from playing eve Congratulations your post made me cringe. Under international trade law its the responsibility of the business NOT the customer to turn over the taxes levied on goods. What your suggesting is rediculious and would result in most if not everyone being fined and/or imprisoned. For example, in your mode of thinking, anyone from the EU who went to the US an bought a pair of jeans would be fined and/or imprisoned for not paying VAT? Okay this is a flawed example but it still holds water. Technically shop/business owners collect VAT on behalf of the taxing bodies. Its thier responisbility to sell the right way. When you buy a GTC from shattered crystal or Evetimecode.com its thier responsibility to register and pay the EU its pound of flesh...not yours. Your not breaking any laws buy buying cheaper timecodes from shops not chargeing VAT or in a "cheaper" currency although it could be argued that its morally wrong.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.25 13:41:00 - [11] Edited by: Akita T on 25/05/2008 13:50:21 Originally by: Sopha Serpentia For example, in your mode of thinking, anyone from the EU who went to the US an bought a pair of jeans would be fined and/or imprisoned for not paying VAT? Okay this is a flawed example but it still holds water. Actually, no, it's not a flawed example. And you ARE required to pay VAT on purchases made abroad that exceed a certain value. And you COULD be fined if you are discovered (doesn't happen, but it could, if somebody wants to report you) to have bought it abroad, be above the treshold, and not paid the proper VAT when entering the country (at the customs office) with that good in your possesion. Originally by: Sopha Serpentia Your not breaking any laws buy buying cheaper timecodes from shops not chargeing VAT or in a "cheaper" currency although it could be argued that its morally wrong. Linkage1 Linkage2 From the FAQ page on the second link... "Q :Why is the VAT exemption for small consignments (containing physical goods) not also applied to digital services so as to ensure equity? A: There is no realistic way of applying such a threshold to electronic transactions. Traders providing electronic services have never, in fact, seriously pursued this issue. In fact, the VAT exemption for small packages is giving rise to an increasing amount of market distortion with the increase in distance sales that has been facilitated by the Internet, and it is currently under review. The exemption is limited to goods the total value of which does not exceed €22. Member States also have the option of excluding from the exemption goods that are imported by mail. Moreover, the exemption applies to the tax chargeable at import on physical goods and it is the purchaser who benefits from the threshold. The exemption, which runs counter to the fundamental principle of VAT as a broad-based tax on consumption, is provided for practical reasons to avoid the need to collect small amounts of tax from private consumers. This does not apply to digital services where the tax will be collected by suppliers." And so on... So yes, as an EU customer to sites like ShatteredCrystal, YOU are not breaking any laws... yet, anyway. But that could change soon. However, ShatteredCrystal is breaking EU laws, and could be held either liable for punitive damages... or forbidden to do bussiness in the EU. Now, the "enforcing" part will be nasty, and it's small-potatoes enough for the time being to not be an issue, but it's only a matter of time until it will. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5
Estel Arador AFK	Posted - 2008.05.25 14:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Shirei I think you're mixing this up with import VAT, which applies to goods you buy abroad and then bring into the country, but that doesn't apply to online services. I might be mixing this up; it's confusing as hell. So a GTC which gets emailed to you would be treated different (as a service) from a GTC on a card which gets physically mailed to you? Skills Explained
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.25 14:09:00 - [13] Edited by: Akita T on 25/05/2008 14:11:38 Originally by: Estel Arador So a GTC which gets emailed to you would be treated different (as a service) from a GTC on a card which gets physically mailed to you? Depends. The mailed one, if the value is under 22 euro, you don't pay VAT ; if it's over 22 euro, YOU have to pay VAT separately on arrival as you pick it up IF your country opted on taxing VAT on mailed goods (depends on country, of course, but most do charge VAT for mailed goods of value over 22 euro). The emailed one, regardless of value (under or over 22 euro, same thing, doesn't matter), you never have to pay VAT separately, but the COMPANY that sells it should charge you VAT when you pay for the purchase, and that company should divert the VAT percentage to the appropriate EU fiscal organisation. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5
Avon Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.25 14:15:00 - [14] In the UK you are responsible for making good any VAT you have knowingly avoided paying, even if the retailer should have added it for you. There is also no minimum value on ETC's in the UK for VAT purposes, so VAT is due. Bottom line, if you buy an ETC from the UK in US$, with no fee for VAT, you are breaking the law. Having said that, HMRC are unlikely to come banging on your door over it. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Ki Tarra Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.05.25 16:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Shirei Please name one single country where consumers pay VAT to the IRS or local equivalent directly. I think you're mixing this up with import VAT, which applies to goods you buy abroad and then bring into the country, but that doesn't apply to online services. Canada Canada's equivalent to the VAT is the GST. Consumers are responsible for ensuring that GST is paid on purchases imported from other countries. Typically it is applied when the item is shipped into the country. So far it is not readily enforced on virtual goods purchased online. There is also an allowance for good purchased while visiting another country. They typically ignor minor purchases, so GTC's would not be an issue, however, larger online purchases will require GST payment by the consumer. I expect that most other countries place the responsiblity on their citizens for paying sales tax on items purchased from foriegn retailers. It is simply a matter of inforcablity: they cannot do anything to force a company that does not officially service their country to pay taxes in that country, but they can inflict penalties on their citizens. A goverment's effective options are to require their citizens to make the payment or exempt foriegn purchases.
Shirei Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.25 17:51:00 - [16] Originally by: Ki Tarra Originally by: Shirei Please name one single country where consumers pay VAT to the IRS or local equivalent directly. I think you're mixing this up with import VAT, which applies to goods you buy abroad and then bring into the country, but that doesn't apply to online services. Canada Canada's equivalent to the VAT is the GST. Consumers are responsible for ensuring that GST is paid on purchases imported from other countries. Typically it is applied when the item is shipped into the country. So far it is not readily enforced on virtual goods purchased online. There is also an allowance for good purchased while visiting another country. They typically ignor minor purchases, so GTC's would not be an issue, however, larger online purchases will require GST payment by the consumer. I expect that most other countries place the responsiblity on their citizens for paying sales tax on items purchased from foriegn retailers. It is simply a matter of inforcablity: they cannot do anything to force a company that does not officially service their country to pay taxes in that country, but they can inflict penalties on their citizens. A goverment's effective options are to require their citizens to make the payment or exempt foriegn purchases. You are describing how the import VAT I mentioned works very well, which applies to physical goods sold across borders. But import VAT does not apply to electronic services sold to EU residents . As per a '03 EU directive, which has since been implemented in all EU countries, the responsibility of paying tax for electronic services entirely lies with the supplier, not the buyer Linkage.

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