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Ghamze State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:22:00 - [1] Which of these ships would you use? Harbinger, Zealot, any of the Amarr BSs. I can pretty much completely t2 fit all of them, got ok fitting skills.(AWU3, E/E5) And, I definitely need a cloak on. I was thinking about Harbinger, but how does a Harby fare against Guristas considering that Amarr already does low dmg against Guristas? Answers and suggestions, most welcome
ZW Dewitt	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:32:00 - [2] Geddon with wasps... I'd even consider fitting hybrids or projectiles to get some kinetic/thermal damage. Guristas and EM don't really mix.
NoNah Tenth Legion Holdings Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:34:00 - [3] Nothing wrong with going with projectile on amarr ships but if you do, for the love of god go with the abaddon and not a ship with 2 bonuses aligned for lasers. By the sound of it, you'll be ratting, in which case tank is more or less useless. Hence the geddon with 3 Heat sinks, 3 propulsion mods a medium repper and a harderner or CPR is plenty. And as poster above stated wasp drones. You even got a utility slot for that cloak of yours. Go with pulses and MF/Scorch Postcount: 327836
Ghamze State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:43:00 - [4] What do you think about this setup? [Armageddon, New Setup 1] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Armor Thermic Hardener II Large Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II 100MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Gamma L Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Gamma L Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Gamma L Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Gamma L Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Gamma L Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Gamma L Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Gamma L Prototype Cloaking Device I [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Wasp I x3 Vespa II x2 Vespa II x3 Reason for drone choice was, so that I'll have a pack of faster drones for small frigs. When I rat, I usually don't bother with looting unless it is a faction spawn, so I didn't put a tractor there.
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:48:00 - [5] Originally by: Ghamze Which of these ships would you use? Harbinger, Zealot, any of the Amarr BSs. Well, if you're skilled up for HACs, why not go with a Sacrilege? It can deal any damage type you like and it comes in black. ---------------- [insert signature here]
Ghamze State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:50:00 - [6] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Originally by: Ghamze Which of these ships would you use? Harbinger, Zealot, any of the Amarr BSs. Well, if you're skilled up for HACs, why not go with a Sacrilege? It can deal any damage type you like and it comes in black. Ye I know, but that's my problem, I don't have missile skills trained :( I'll start training them after I am done with a few more support skills, but for now, sacrilege is out of question for me.
AstroPhobic	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:50:00 - [7] [Abaddon, Ratting guristas] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Large Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Thermic Plating II Adaptive Nano Plating II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Sensor Booster II 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Vespa II x2 Wasp II x2 Hornet II x1 671 DPS
Ghamze State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:52:00 - [8] Edited by: Ghamze on 25/05/2008 18:52:25 Originally by: AstroPhobic [Abaddon, Ratting guristas] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Large Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Thermic Plating II Adaptive Nano Plating II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Sensor Booster II 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Vespa II x2 Wasp II x2 Hornet II x1 671 DPS Cheers for suggestion, but I am relatively low SP player. (15m) I can't use any other weapon system than lasers.
AstroPhobic	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:54:00 - [9] Right, I'd just use a full out gankageddon then. MWD, megapulse, wasps. Chasing guristas is going to suck though, this is kind of a lose-lose situation.
Ghamze State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.25 20:47:00 - [10] Point taken, I'll stick to Geddon. Thanks for the advice everyone
Weeka Tetragrammaton	Posted - 2008.05.25 21:05:00 - [11] You are well aware that it's not a good idea to fight guristas with lasers for they have high base resists against you, and you have low against them?
Ghamze State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.25 21:17:00 - [12] Originally by: Weeka You are well aware that it's not a good idea to fight guristas with lasers for they have high base resists against you, and you have low against them? yeah I am. But, Amarr is all I have for ratting. And, Guristas are the rats where my home is. So, what am I gonna do?
Nai Weil New Player Assistance Monkey Religion	Posted - 2008.05.25 21:31:00 - [13] It would really be worth it to train up Hybrid skills if you intend to stay in Gurista space. For each level Amarr has a ship which doesn't offer brilliant bonuses to Energy Weapons (only giving 10% reduction in cap up to 50% at level V, if you go that far) - the Punisher frigate, Maller cruiser, Prophecy battlecruiser and Abaddon battleship. These four ships will probably do the best armed with Hybrid (or Projectile) weapons, and their other bonus, the armour resistance, works regardless of what weapons you use. If it's only a temporary measure, then by all means stick to the lasers, but if you aren't going to move, use a Prophecy (it's much cheaper than a Harbinger) or Abaddon and hit the Guristas hard with Hybrid weapons. You only need Small Hybrid III to get Medium Hybrid for the Prophecy. All other Gunnery skills apply equally to Hybrids as they do to Energy weapons.
Darth Kenzie Ganja Labs Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.25 21:34:00 - [14] I just want to warn you that if you try to mwd and chase rats and then melt through their high resits with pulse while tanking dmg your cap WILL NOT HOLD OUT, I tried it... the 3x bs spawns with cruise missles will eat you alive. Geddon in turtle mode with wasps is your best bet... train for projectiles or rails... it is what i had to do when i first started playing 0.0 and was in your situation. ------- I am the King of Rome and above grammar.
achoura	Posted - 2008.05.25 22:54:00 - [15] I used a beam geddon for a while in place of my mega, got sick of moving the ammo, it worked reasonably well too but you'll need your amarr skills maxed to make any real headway and you'll still be slower than a mega would be. imo sac would be the way to go although a deimos will do 700-800 dps (1.5mil for that damage implant ) rat specific damage with rat specific tank and really wont take alot longer to train for, perhaps less if you're gunnery's good. I make 35-40mil an hour in a -7 system in mine but i've got a slightly daft friend who fitted his for 920 dps, poor rats... *The EVE servers and their patches*
Cruel Fox Divine Power R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.25 22:54:00 - [16] apock should be able to fit 2 cruize lunchers wich r good for kinetick damage + 6 tachyons with gedon go with pulses also try damnation; can fit 1 cruze luncher and 4 heavys with bonoses. But anyway against Guristas u r not really good, any caldari noob in raven can kill them better so think about dedicating 14 days for rating raven. _________________________________________
Diomidis Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.26 12:18:00 - [17] Edited by: Diomidis on 26/05/2008 12:19:53 An "noob-skilled" Raven (like mine) will out-perform a Geddon + wasps by a good margin...Resistances kick-in and Guristas like EM/Thermal way more than 100% Kinetic... The Sacrilege is great for ratting, tho DPS isn't that high... [Sacrilege, Sacrilege Ratter] Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Large Capacitor Battery II 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Torrent Assault Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Torrent Assault Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Torrent Assault Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Torrent Assault Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Torrent Assault Missile Salvager I [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x3 Perma runs EVERYTHING with my skills EDIT: off-course with kinetic missiles (Terror) - I just copy pasted it I used a Geddon + Mega Pulse (T1 crystals) + AB 100mn + CCC rigs + Wasps with quite success before it... Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Tanroth	Posted - 2008.05.26 14:18:00 - [18] Originally by: Ghamze Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Originally by: Ghamze Which of these ships would you use? Harbinger, Zealot, any of the Amarr BSs. Well, if you're skilled up for HACs, why not go with a Sacrilege? It can deal any damage type you like and it comes in black. Ye I know, but that's my problem, I don't have missile skills trained :( I'll start training them after I am done with a few more support skills, but for now, sacrilege is out of question for me. Just training heavy missiles 1 would probably be better than going at it with lasers. Since you're Caldari you'd also already have a couple missile skills from creation if you went military, so it should only take a day if that to get into them.
Ghamze State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.26 14:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Tanroth Originally by: Ghamze Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Originally by: Ghamze Which of these ships would you use? Harbinger, Zealot, any of the Amarr BSs. Well, if you're skilled up for HACs, why not go with a Sacrilege? It can deal any damage type you like and it comes in black. Ye I know, but that's my problem, I don't have missile skills trained :( I'll start training them after I am done with a few more support skills, but for now, sacrilege is out of question for me. Just training heavy missiles 1 would probably be better than going at it with lasers. Since you're Caldari you'd also already have a couple missile skills from creation if you went military, so it should only take a day if that to get into them. Are you serious about this....? I have 5m SPs in gunnery and 200K in missiles....and I'd be better off with missiles against Guristas than with lasers? Thats a bit of a disappointment if it is true
Ghamze State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.26 14:41:00 - [20] Thanks for all the other suggestions. I do not really want to spend my time training other weapon systems at the moment. I think I'll up my missile and drone skills a bit to use sacrilege or for better efficiency with Wasps, would help my malediction as well while at it @ Diomidis: Cheers, the setup has been noted.
Subedai	Posted - 2008.05.26 15:45:00 - [21] 3 weeks for t2 HAMS isnt too long a wait Zealot should do fine vs belt spawns, its not like they're tanked that much - if 150dps kinetic breaks them, 500dps emp/therm will do it jus as well
Nomakai Delateriel Shadow Company Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.05.26 15:57:00 - [22] Personally I love the Sacrilege for gurista space ratting. Especially since I can rat with a decent PvP setup. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Termopan	Posted - 2008.06.04 21:25:00 - [23] ergh i can make a dmg harbinger with a 9.0 dmg modifier on laser only problem is thats for pvp not for missioning so in your place id probablly go for a zealot or a geddon with wasps zealot is powerfull enough to eat any thing and ..it has small signature radius ..so u get hit for less dmg with missiles ^^
Elhina Novae Sky's Edge deadspace society	Posted - 2008.06.04 22:57:00 - [24] Originally by: Ghamze Edited by: Ghamze on 25/05/2008 18:52:25 Originally by: AstroPhobic [Abaddon, Ratting guristas] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Large Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Thermic Plating II Adaptive Nano Plating II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Sensor Booster II 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Vespa II x2 Wasp II x2 Hornet II x1 671 DPS Cheers for suggestion, but I am relatively low SP player. (15m) I can't use any other weapon system than lasers. Use best named T1, works good done it myself lots of time in both 0.0 and missions and iam "purely" Amarr. Somebody set up us the bomb
La5eR Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.05 04:05:00 - [25] [Arbitrator, Arbitrator] Armor Kinetic Hardener II True Sansha Energized Magnetic Membrane Medium Armor Repairer II Power Diagnostic System II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Anode Particle Stream I, Amarr Navy Microwave M Heavy Anode Particle Stream I, Amarr Navy Microwave M Salvager I [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Vespa II x5 298 DPS and 15k EHP against Kin dmg. It works great and is most undoubtedly the cheapest ratting setup ever. I have scored over 50 dread kills with that thing. It can tank trip mass, usurp, and exterm spawns with ease its the trip bc/trip cruiser spawns it has trouble with.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.05 08:12:00 - [26] cloaks are fail
Diomidis Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.06 19:07:00 - [27] Came up with this setup yesterday, and actually fitted it to try it out vs. Guristas: Large Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 7x Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L 1x Small Tractor Beam I 3x Capacitor Control Circuit I 5x Wasp or 4x Wasp + 5x Hornet II for those pesky scramming frigates Tanks easily 3x Usurper, while out-damaging the Apocalypse. With BS V and decent (ok, mine are nearly perfect) cap skills you perma-run it. That's why you sacrifice some DPS for named turrets instead of T2 (along with better fitting). You can do it easily with Dual Heavy Pulses II too, loosing some dps but gaining better tracking and cap-usage with lower costs + very easy fitting. Unless you get T2 Cruise and at least Caldari BS IV, you won't seriously out-perform it. The torp raven on the other hand rocks IMHO, tho it requires more (!!!! lol) cap-micromanagement. Remember to fit a TP in the Torp raven. Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Dorah Hawkwing Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.06.06 19:12:00 - [28] Edited by: Dorah Hawkwing on 06/06/2008 19:15:22 Been allmost 2 years since I used it, but: Guerista Geddon: 7* Megapulse AB, 2* Cap Recharger LAR, 2* Kin hardener, 2* Therm hardener, 33* Capo power relay 4* Wasp, 5* small drone In vanilla T1 with ym skills back then it was able to takle 1.2 mill BS spawns.. with T2/best named, lots more. Just charge close and kill. T2 Tank + Modulated megapulses = win against 1.8 mill tripple spawns. (BS skill at 4, large guns at 4, support skills 3-4, energy and armor tank skills high, 4-5)
Transmaniacon Strike-Force-Alpha	Posted - 2008.06.06 19:50:00 - [29] Originally by: Subedai Zealot should do fine vs belt spawns, its not like they're tanked that much - if 150dps kinetic breaks them, 500dps emp/therm will do it jus as well You may not be able to utilize 500 DPS as well as if it were kinetic, but its gonna kill the dam rat. Generally though, slower killing means more time spent killing, and less time sitting around waiting for the chain to keep going, or looking for a belt. Ie. you are always doing something...
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.06.06 20:01:00 - [30] Originally by: Transmaniacon Originally by: Subedai Zealot should do fine vs belt spawns, its not like they're tanked that much - if 150dps kinetic breaks them, 500dps emp/therm will do it jus as well You may not be able to utilize 500 DPS as well as if it were kinetic, but its gonna kill the dam rat. Generally though, slower killing means more time spent killing, and less time sitting around waiting for the chain to keep going, or looking for a belt. Ie. you are always doing something... This is def. one way to look at it, unless you are lucky enough to be ratting in a system with 40+ belts. Only thing worse than ratting guristas with amarr is ratting angels. Boring in both ways, perfect resists on both sides. A whole lot of shooting, and a whole lot of nothing happening. At least lasers dont use ammo beyond cap. Sac is love for amarr only fliers in various parts of the universe. And yes, it takes far less SP in missiles to be effective in PVE then gunnery. Plus no tracking issues, and the rats never go fast enough for speed penalties to come into play. Originally by: Meridius Dex I could actually fit a Thorax WITH LASERS and get better DPS, better speed, better tank and - wait for it - better cap stability

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