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Ruben Rhemus
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Posted - 2008.05.25 21:32:00 -
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I just noticed that the lofty "exploit" will be removed with Empyrean age. This obviously mean that the rampaging CNR plague will become even worse!
(ok it will be somewhat cool you can actually respond to people calling for help, but at this cost? I think not)
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Ethaet
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:18:00 -
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It will be removed?
do you have proof of that? I haven't heard anything
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Ruben Rhemus
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Ethaet
It will be removed?
do you have proof of that? I haven't heard anything
Indeed I do, http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=775266&page=2
In response to the question:
"As most of us are familiar, when you are invited to a gang you get the following dialog window;
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What I am wondering is how will Factional Warfare affect this?"
CCPs Greyscale wrote:
"The "lofty scam" has been neutered in Empyrean Age (gang membership now has no bearing on aggression rules) so this is no longer an issue (!)"
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.05.25 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ruben Rhemus
I just noticed that the lofty "exploit" will be removed with Empyrean age. This obviously mean that the rampaging CNR plague will become even worse!
(ok it will be somewhat cool you can actually respond to people calling for help, but at this cost? I think not)
Posting in support of not giving into carebear demands for absolute highsec safety.
Originally by: techzer0
I'm invincible until proven wrong
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.26 01:00:00 -
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Lofty scam needs to stay alive.
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Zetjur Jilnou
Rapid Deployment Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.26 01:19:00 -
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I am a PVPer, however I fail to understand the reason for not changing this.
Surely using some gang loophole in a way that provides the 'victim' no warning of any danger is a pretty bad thing? If it's wanted to keep it in, change it so warnings are given when new people are added to the gang as happens with the lofty scam (one that has to be accepted prior to it being possible for that person to be shot, clicking no would eject from gang).
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Boknamar
The Knights Trevor
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Posted - 2008.05.26 02:31:00 -
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Edited by: Boknamar on 26/05/2008 02:36:06
Link For people who aren't in the mood for copypasta
I don't think this will be a huge boon to high sec dwellers or a huge blow to PvPers in the scheme of things. After all, if FW goes as planned, it could be the much-sought panacea for the ailing condition of lowsec space. In addition, I get the feeling that CCP is going to come out soon and declare corp-hopping to avoid wardecs to be an exploit.
So in summation, I don't think this will bring the game much closer to being "WoW in space."
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Divad Ginleek
Gateway Industries
House of Mercury
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Posted - 2008.05.26 06:37:00 -
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Anyone ever notice how much Pwners cry when CCP fixes loopholes that result from unintended game mechanics... but when rational human beings point out real problems (insurance, login traps, etc) they are flamed and called whiners and get the "welcome to eve" line flashed in their face?
odd.... 
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aUTOKILL
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 06:43:00 -
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Though, i don't totally agree with them fixing it, i do understand why. It's a blantent loophole that hasnt been patched for a very, very long time...
oh, and it's not rly the "lofty trick" as he didnt figure it out... he just showed everyone how to do it... not nice if you ask me...
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doin it for the stats
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Ameliorate
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Posted - 2008.05.26 06:45:00 -
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Not supporting this.
There is no reason why this should remain in the game, other than to grief players who don't know what is going to happen.
CCP want to keep people playing, and getting popped by somebody on your first day and not knowing what is going on is not going to be beneficial to this cause.
(And before anyone says it, no I have not fallen for this).
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Frecator Dementa
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:32:00 -
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translation: waaaah, waaah, I can't kill mission ravens anymore, waaah, please CCP, let me kill whoever I want in highsec without getting concorded
lofty scam needs to stay dead and burried.
what's the point of ganging up to do missions if all you get is dead?
think of all the npc corp mission runners that will band together to do missions, then decide it's worth creating a corp to ease trasfers of loot
wardec THEM, and shoot them according to valid game mechanics, not some obscure qasi-exploit
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Dreadchain
PROGENITOR CORPORATION
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:38:00 -
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It is a good change, many times i've had a mission really hard to do alone with no corpmates nearby, but can't find anyone to help because they think it's a lofty. As a reverse, I don't help newbies, because it might be a lofty.
Although, I thought that lofty was pretty hilarious, it reminded me of darwin awards.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:47:00 -
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Not going to support this issue.
It was one of my campaign points to have the lofty scam removed in the first place, as people in any MMO should be able and even encouraged to group up with other players. In Eve, grouping up basically means you lost the rights to your ship. This is unacceptable and has no place in any MMO, not even Eve.
I'm glad this got fixed and will not undertake any action to bring it back.
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Thanks for all that supported me. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you.
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Frecator Dementa
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Posted - 2008.05.26 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Not going to support this issue.
It was one of my campaign points to have the lofty scam removed in the first place, as people in any MMO should be able and even encouraged to group up with other players. In Eve, grouping up basically means you lost the rights to your ship. This is unacceptable and has no place in any MMO, not even Eve.
I'm glad this got fixed and will not undertake any action to bring it back.
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Exodus Alpha
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Not going to support this issue.
It was one of my campaign points to have the lofty scam removed in the first place, as people in any MMO should be able and even encouraged to group up with other players. In Eve, grouping up basically means you lost the rights to your ship. This is unacceptable and has no place in any MMO, not even Eve.
I'm glad this got fixed and will not undertake any action to bring it back.
Scams definitely have their place in Eve.
The lofty scam is not one of them.
/100% agreed
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Inanna Zuni
The Causality
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.26 12:01:00 -
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By definition, a "scam" is something that is wrong and not beneficial to the majority. I cannot support this proposal therefore.
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My principles
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Dlardrageth
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.26 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Not going to support this issue.
It was one of my campaign points to have the lofty scam removed in the first place, as people in any MMO should be able and even encouraged to group up with other players. In Eve, grouping up basically means you lost the rights to your ship. This is unacceptable and has no place in any MMO, not even Eve.
I'm glad this got fixed and will not undertake any action to bring it back.
Word!
Of course a total rework of war/gang game mechanics would be a totally different thing. One that does not leave open that many loopholes in the first place but enables still to get a fix on careless/clueless people.
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Shanur
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ruben Rhemus
Indeed I do, Clicky
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Cautet
Precision Engineering
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.27 21:29:00 -
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If you want to kill a mission runner, there are better ways to do it.
This ****** up helping new players, nothing more, nothing less.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.05.28 04:42:00 -
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It always struck me as a bit naughty
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Ishina Fel
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.05.28 07:48:00 -
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Less griefplay is always good. If you want to shoot people, get out of highsec.
(Ever noticed the irony of how those who are complaining about this as a form of "cave-in to carebear whines" are all highsec jockeys themselves who want their zero-risk piracy back?  )
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Kivin San
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.28 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Not going to support this issue.
It was one of my campaign points to have the lofty scam removed in the first place, as people in any MMO should be able and even encouraged to group up with other players. In Eve, grouping up basically means you lost the rights to your ship. This is unacceptable and has no place in any MMO, not even Eve.
I'm glad this got fixed and will not undertake any action to bring it back.
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o---- This.
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Ruben Rhemus
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Posted - 2008.05.28 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Divad Ginleek
Anyone ever notice how much Pwners cry when CCP fixes loopholes that result from unintended game mechanics... but when rational human beings point out real problems (insurance, login traps, etc) they are flamed and called whiners and get the "welcome to eve" line flashed in their face?
Originally by: Ishina Fel
(Ever noticed the irony of how those who are complaining about this as a form of "cave-in to carebear whines" are all highsec jockeys themselves who want their zero-risk piracy back? )
Ok, just to set the record straight, this thing you claim you notice is actually not true. I have never used the lofty scam myself in any way, I haven't even ever attacked anyone who havent (by their own free will I might add) aggressed me first.
I am simply concerned with the ridiculous amount of CNRs you see in high sec these days, something needs to be done to limit the population. It was bad before and will get worse when this control mechanism is removed.
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Allaria Kriss
Elipse Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.28 13:44:00 -
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I suspect most of the CNRs you see are not going to be needing help with missions.
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Arous Drephius
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.28 14:06:00 -
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High-sec should not be completely safe. This includes the lofty.
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Thorradin
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.29 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ruben Rhemus
I just noticed that the lofty "exploit" will be removed with Empyrean age. This obviously mean that the rampaging CNR plague will become even worse!
(ok it will be somewhat cool you can actually respond to people calling for help, but at this cost? I think not)
Considering the lofty scam only works due to a flaw in the gang mechanics, no.
Maybe if they had to fire on you before you leave the gang, but simply joining for a split second and leaving again to make you attackable was no less a flaw than Privateers and EVE Uni's war dec exploits.
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Aadi Grox
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.05.29 03:41:00 -
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eat it carebears
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Katini Ellegahn
Capital Development and Security Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.29 05:52:00 -
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R.I.P Good Riddance.
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Vlad Cetes
Crimson-Jihad
Critical Dissent
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Posted - 2008.05.29 05:57:00 -
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Edited by: Vlad Cetes on 29/05/2008 05:57:17
Lofty is good for making isk. The only people who hate it are either carebears or noobs and no one in their right mind should give 2 cents about their opinions.
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Deviana Sevidon
Panta-Rhei
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.29 06:09:00 -
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I am not a carebear and I am certainly not a noob. But it is still a good thing that this gets removed. The scam was the use, or should I say, exploit of a gang-mechanic.
I have never fallen for this kind of trap, but it also resulted in the fact that older players like me became completely unwilling to help out new players outside their own corp and alliance.
Things like the lofty-scam, among other things, are the reasons why the once great community was destroyed and became something that better belongs in a counterstrike-forum.
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