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Shirei Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.26 08:55:00 - [31] Originally by: Steve Holt we did ?? i never saw such numbers not once. oh well You should've played the weekend when TRI and a few others came up and blew up our POS in 4DTQ/D4R then.
Tearavygh Quillam Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.26 09:50:00 - [32] Originally by: Minigin im not going to promise my sweet revenge. but there is no group of alliances in this game atm that is more deserving of a beat down than the NC. what was done by the NC was gruesome. it takes this game to a place where i think few people want to see it taken. there was nothing glorious... nothing honorable... nothing brave about it. "The world will know that few stood against many, and that before this battle is over, even a god-king can bleed." I hope that dyspro moon was worth showing eve that rzr can no longer stand on its own two feet. Wah, wah, wah. This isn't your essay class, Minigin.
Minigin Ganja Labs Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.26 09:51:00 - [33] Edited by: Minigin on 26/05/2008 09:52:54 the irony is of course that at our peek the anti-NC forces had 2 alliances fighting the war. but by all means... continue believing that we blob. it was you who called 10 alliances from places up to 50-60 jumps away. really i would be laughing at this situation if i wasn't busy crying about how this game will soon be nothing but a giant blob fest. i fail to see why the NC doesn't just merge into one super alliance, because quite frankly... when was the last time any of your alliances thought for itself, or did something without the others. at least then you could say "hey we are doing our own thing here" rather than "oh yeh we are doing what those guys are telling us to." edit: Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Wah, wah, wah. This isn't your essay class, Minigin. im sorry but when did it become a retort to tell your adversary that they are smarter than you? . MINIGIN! Now bringing colour back to these forums =)
Herm0dhr Balder's Wrath	Posted - 2008.05.26 10:00:00 - [34] Originally by: Steve Holt tbh mate we wouldnt we use tatics and skill not blob warfare. thats whats seperates us That and lowsec ohh, btw. rzr/mm/pure/MH smaller entities vs. insrg/Tri/AFT/Destiny smaller entities, The numbers seems to have been pretty even on the paper. Guess you couldn¦t cooperate in your camp and perhaps thats whats cost you in the end.
Minigin Ganja Labs Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.26 10:11:00 - [35] Originally by: Herm0dhr Originally by: Steve Holt tbh mate we wouldnt we use tatics and skill not blob warfare. thats whats seperates us That and lowsec ohh, btw. rzr/mm/pure/MH smaller entities vs. insrg/Tri/AFT/Destiny smaller entities, The numbers seems to have been pretty even on the paper. Guess you couldn¦t cooperate in your camp and perhaps thats whats cost you in the end. this is entirely fallacious. look at the killboards. INSRG was standing alone against the full brunt of the NC with perhaps the exception of IRON for a week or two. During this period of time we received(according to my memory) token assistance from ATF. Tri got involved in the conflict for perhaps a week, probably a little less. certainly they had a profound influence in the war but for internal reasons, they eventually collapsed. With the entry of IRON into the war by this stage, INSRG was brutally outnumbered in both Euro and US timezones. It became a matter of the NC FCs calling mandatory "sit in this system" ops, and with 300+ NC pilots in local... what was anyone to do. In the end, as much as i hate the situation, i commend the NC leaders for doing what they did. Because frankly... they couldn't have taken INSRG without those numbers. And i think they agree with me. . MINIGIN! Now bringing colour back to these forums =)
Tearavygh Quillam Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.26 10:22:00 - [36] Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 26/05/2008 09:52:54 the irony is of course that at our peek the anti-NC forces had 2 alliances fighting the war. but by all means... continue believing that we blob. it was you who called 10 alliances from places up to 50-60 jumps away. really i would be laughing at this situation if i wasn't busy crying about how this game will soon be nothing but a giant blob fest. i fail to see why the NC doesn't just merge into one super alliance, because quite frankly... when was the last time any of your alliances thought for itself, or did something without the others. at least then you could say "hey we are doing our own thing here" rather than "oh yeh we are doing what those guys are telling us to." edit: Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Wah, wah, wah. This isn't your essay class, Minigin. im sorry but when did it become a retort to tell your adversary that they are smarter than you? Being smart involves a bit of diplomacy. Coming from your leaders down to the last grunt, that bit is absent. Is this your best try?
CaldeteisX Helios Incorporated Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.26 10:26:00 - [37] Originally by: Herm0dhr Originally by: Steve Holt tbh mate we wouldnt we use tatics and skill not blob warfare. thats whats seperates us That and lowsec ohh, btw. rzr/mm/pure/MH smaller entities vs. insrg/Tri/AFT/Destiny smaller entities, The numbers seems to have been pretty even on the paper. Guess you couldn¦t cooperate in your camp and perhaps thats whats cost you in the end. rzr,mm,pure,mh,iron,hydra,stpl,gsa smaller entitis vs insrg/tri/some atf in the fights for space, Phallanx and destiny were blue and helping elsewere though, the numbers arent all that even. Numbers crap aside we lost our space through a valid tactic, as annoying a tactic it may be it gets the job done, I enjoyed it I still enjoy the fights, i especially enjoy having no pos's to defend, rep or anything, just good running around pew pewing. yes our camp could cooperate, we took a gamble with Tri attempting to draw some of the NC out of the fight, it backfired, and INSRG alone once IRON and MH came in full strength didnt have the numbers round the clock to match or to get the job done, we still got some awesome fights evacing stuff from QCWA though . Ee lost this battle, they have back what was theirs before we took it, we arent going anywhere yet though and plan to be a thorn in the north's side . waits for trolls i guess?, I don't post on caod much so i thought i kept that pretty nice :)
Tearavygh Quillam Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.26 10:28:00 - [38] Originally by: Minigin it was you who called 10 alliances from places up to 50-60 jumps away. really i would be laughing at this situation if i wasn't busy crying about how this game will soon be nothing but a giant blob fest. Ha-ha! I guess now it's a good time to reflect on the meaning of the word "escalate". Where are now all those forum characters that wanted to cleanse us with burning fire and then they napped TRI? "Escalate? Like who you gonna bring now." Some of us warned you. You laughed. Now it's our turn.
Minigin Ganja Labs Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.26 10:32:00 - [39] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Being smart involves a bit of diplomacy. Coming from your leaders down to the last grunt, that bit is absent. Is this your best try? you used slightly more than a bit didn't you lol. I have been on the blob side, and it's just not fun. i commend anyone who has ever gone and tried to build something and make it so that it stands on its own. i rebuke all of you who think this game is about diplomacy and dependence on a coalition of pilots that are equally inept. and their only saving factor is numbers. and as for intelligence, i wouldn't credit you with much, you are arguing about imaginary spaceships over a forum on the interwebz with a teenager. of course the best part is, he is winning. . MINIGIN! Now bringing colour back to these forums =)
Mei Han Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.26 10:43:00 - [40] Quote: In the end, as much as i hate the situation, i commend the NC leaders for doing what they did. Because frankly... they couldn't have taken INSRG without those numbers. And i think they agree with me. Well I do not think they are. Because you see.. there are 2 ways of getting rid of a bug.One, driving it outside the window, and two, hitting it with the 400 paged book you have in your arm's reach. The only difference between insurgency and the bug, is that the bug does not claim victory because of the "book" usage.
TheAdj Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.26 10:45:00 - [41] Originally by: Minigin IMO if we had a full strength TRI backing us up, nothing really would have saved you. Even a TRI with pretty big internal problems gave the NC quite a scare in the few days they brought the fight. props to tri for giving it a shot. Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda, etc. Thanks for the wardec, please kill more people too dumb to use a scout for BS so we can have some comedy mails, PA gave us a couple last month. ----------------
CaldeteisX Helios Incorporated Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.26 10:46:00 - [42] Originally by: Mei Han Quote: In the end, as much as i hate the situation, i commend the NC leaders for doing what they did. Because frankly... they couldn't have taken INSRG without those numbers. And i think they agree with me. Well I do not think they are. Because you see.. there are 2 ways of getting rid of a bug.One, driving it outside the window, and two, hitting it with the 400 paged book you have in your arm's reach. The only difference between insurgency and the bug, is that the bug does not claim victory because of the "book" usage. Only difference is a bug is dead, we are far from dead. Not holding sov doesnt make us dead.
Minigin Ganja Labs Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.26 10:47:00 - [43] Originally by: Mei Han Quote: In the end, as much as i hate the situation, i commend the NC leaders for doing what they did. Because frankly... they couldn't have taken INSRG without those numbers. And i think they agree with me. Well I do not think they are. Because you see.. there are 2 ways of getting rid of a bug.One, driving it outside the window, and two, hitting it with the 400 paged book you have in your arm's reach. The only difference between insurgency and the bug, is that the bug does not claim victory because of the "book" usage. so wait... the pre-iron NC was the driving it out the window approach? regardless, it remains to be seen that rzr(and most of the NC) can do anything alone. which i believe is the real argument here. doooooooo sooooommmmmeeeettthhhhhiinnnngggg. . MINIGIN! Now bringing colour back to these forums =)
Tearavygh Quillam Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.26 10:47:00 - [44] Originally by: Minigin i think this is exactly what fred0 didn't want you to say. Don't put words into Fred0's mouth. Originally by: Minigin besides, we where a little bit busy laughing about your titan's escalation to "wreck" to actually consider TRI's collapse. Is this your best excuse? Originally by: Minigin IMO if we had a full strength TRI backing us up, nothing really would have saved you. Even a TRI with pretty big internal problems gave the NC quite a scare in the few days they brought the fight. props to tri for giving it a shot. TRI decided they didn't want to fight our blob war. Insurgency was loosing at every aspect while TRI was attacking something. Do you really believe yourself? PS: Mind your English. It won't help in your essays.
Minigin Ganja Labs Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.26 10:59:00 - [45] Edited by: Minigin on 26/05/2008 11:00:28 Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Minigin i think this is exactly what fred0 didn't want you to say. Don't put words into Fred0's mouth. Originally by: Minigin besides, we where a little bit busy laughing about your titan's escalation to "wreck" to actually consider TRI's collapse. Is this your best excuse? Originally by: Minigin IMO if we had a full strength TRI backing us up, nothing really would have saved you. Even a TRI with pretty big internal problems gave the NC quite a scare in the few days they brought the fight. props to tri for giving it a shot. TRI decided they didn't want to fight our blob war. Insurgency was loosing at every aspect while TRI was attacking something. Do you really believe yourself? PS: Mind your English. It won't help in your essays. failed as far as holding off a 400man strong 24/7 presence yes. succeeded in doing our own thing. i praise insrg for doing something no NC alliance would ever dare to do. I've been in enough nap-fests. For better or worse, I am proud to fly beside these fantastic pvpers. and fyi, i can be quite anal about spelling and grammar, if that would make you feel better about spending 20 mins on each of your 5 word statements(checking and double checking on word must be a ***** for you.) i believe myself to be somewhat more eloquent than you in any manner. "Don't put words into Fred0's mouth." the appropriate word is "in", into implies i am physically prying open his mouth to jam things into it. there you go. point proven. i am anal. you are stupid. the world can continue rotating now. . MINIGIN! Now bringing colour back to these forums =)
Centauris Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:08:00 - [46] TBH Minigin mate i just have trouble reading anything you write now without laughing and shaking my head. Im sure you wouldnt be so bitter if you were still in hydra and had the "blob" helping you in a time of need. The fact that you are now on the otherside of the blob and the northern napfest etc and complaining about the "blob" shows only 1 thing and that is you are a sore loser. Nothing more. You are in no position to continue to cry about the blob when if you could, you would have and tried to use it against us. TC4LIFE
De Vito Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:15:00 - [47] bla bla bla...
Minigin Ganja Labs Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:21:00 - [48] Originally by: Centauris TBH Minigin mate i just have trouble reading anything you write now without laughing and shaking my head. Im sure you wouldnt be so bitter if you were still in hydra and had the "blob" helping you in a time of need. The fact that you are now on the otherside of the blob and the northern napfest etc and complaining about the "blob" shows only 1 thing and that is you are a sore loser. Nothing more. You are in no position to continue to cry about the blob when if you could, you would have and tried to use it against us. as stunning as this may seem to you...(only because of your ignorance) i was one of the advocates for leaving the nap-fest ridden NC. i met many people in hydra and pure, made many friends there, but i was always against blue lists that i couldn't count off on one hand. I would never seek to rally a force as you did and ride on a single enemy. I've actually made it a habit of mine to put myself on the side with lower numbers with more talent and skill. Which is why my favorite part of this game is small gang roaming into a huge alliances space. If you bothered looking at my killboard stats you would notice that. Ganking ratters is all well and dandy, but it's when they come out and fight you and outnumber you, THAT is when you show them what pvp is about. also... never again presume what i would do in your situation. 9/10 times i would act very differently to the NC leaders. . MINIGIN! Now bringing colour back to these forums =)
Am Sar The Space Janitors	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:21:00 - [49] Originally by: Fred0 i hear that camping pf- all day round is worthwhile and fun... c/d? Confirm. This camp was deffo worth it :) We got 4-5 bigger fights and kept control for 72 hours just to prove a point while we took down almost all towers left standing from you :) and the point was that you have a big train, choo choo
MrRx7 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:26:00 - [50] I don't think they get the NC. For a alliance who stood up to so many hostile alliances by themselves, oh wait, you sure do whine a lot on the forums. I mean seriously you lost the war, go back to empire for a month buy more ships and come back and greif us, We'll love it. I mean hell, look what we did to ATF for 2 weeks before this war, that was lots of fun. for us anyways.
Tearavygh Quillam Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:29:00 - [51] Originally by: Minigin there you go. point proven. i am anal. you are stupid. the world can continue rotating now. Do you think the world stopped while you were editing your post? Oh, my...
Baddias Mongo Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:30:00 - [52] Originally by: Shirei Edited by: Shirei on 26/05/2008 08:58:24 Originally by: Steve Holt we did ?? i never saw such numbers not once. oh well You should've played the weekend when TRI and a few others came up and blew up our POS in 4DTQ/D4R then. Although, I admit your numbers were spread out over 3 systems, but that doesn't really make a difference, does it. When TRI came in and right after our titan died when they were on a high, TRI/Insurgency/allies had the numbers as Shirei said. They can make as many excuses as they like for it, but the truth is they went from having 500+ defending in Branch to less than a 100 in under 2 weeks. There are probally various reasons for their sudden collapse, internal problems in TRI etc being one of them, I suspect though the main reason is that the majority of the opposing sides membership just did not have the stomach or experience for this kind of 'meat-grinder' war, while a great many from the NC & our FCs have years of experience gained from previous northern wars and the war in the south at this kind of fight. Had they been able to maintain the 500+ they had in Branch after TRI joined then I have no doubt we would still be fighting them in Branch now and we would not have half as much bitter whineing about blobNAPs as we currently do. But they could not, so they are in empire now
Minigin Ganja Labs Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:34:00 - [53] Originally by: MrRx7 I don't think they get the NC. For a alliance who stood up to so many hostile alliances by themselves, oh wait, you sure do whine a lot on the forums. I mean seriously you lost the war, go back to empire for a month buy more ships and come back and greif us, We'll love it. I mean hell, look what we did to ATF for 2 weeks before this war, that was lots of fun. for us anyways. well if you guys where not so busy trying to look legit on the forums, and i wasn't trying to avoid studying for my finals, i wouldn't be limegreening your face off right now. besides you seem to be ignoring the fact that there are a lot of rzr posts here as well(most of them i feel have been adequately refuted). and i take it you missed the war dec notice. maybe it's time i put down the limegreen forum gloves for today and started on my accounting... hmmz... w/e i'll see. . MINIGIN! Now bringing colour back to these forums =)
Tearavygh Quillam Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:36:00 - [54] Originally by: Minigin Ganking ratters is all well and dandy, but it's when they come out and fight you and outnumber you, THAT is when you show them what pvp is about. [/limegreen] Pilot details - Minigin Corporation:Ganja Labs Alliance:Insurgency Kills:54 Real kills:42 Losses:4 Damage done (ISK):2023.01M Damage received (ISK):35M Kill / ISK efficiency: 91.3% / 98.3% First kill for Insurgency is on 2008-04-27 at 08:20:00. Please, tell us more about pvp. Or is this name just for lime green posting?
Minigin Ganja Labs Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:47:00 - [55] Edited by: Minigin on 26/05/2008 11:49:18 yah but i lieks to poast lulz. btw... are you guhli, sol murgs or maybe someone i have overlooked in pure? . MINIGIN! Now bringing colour back to these forums =)
Mr Phail FailCorp.	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:50:00 - [56] Insurgency. Once a great alliance. Now in failure cascade and running around lowsec like headless chickens. The fact is some of your best corps have already left, Darth isnt leading anymore, and you can't get a gang of more than 25 people together. Nice knowing you. But now you are 100% fail. Goodbye.
Ms Understandlng	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:51:00 - [57] Edited by: Ms Understandlng on 26/05/2008 11:55:05 After watching this for the last weeks, i just had to reply... Insurgency are so hypocritical about this war. They took a bit a of space from renters of RZR, but how did they do that? Right, by blobbing their capital fleet on top of them. U keep on claiming u are such good fighters and u held out against the blobbing masses when u did and do exactly the same. Insrg are such capable warriors they needed their 40+ carrierfleet (never mind the dreads) to take the space in the first place, form opponents that hardly had any capitals at all. And they (ofc) attacked the weakest alliance first, cowards that they are... Superior stategy and tactics they call that... give me a break! And what about the first real fight of the war, the one in QHJ? The only reason you engaged was because Insurgency knew they outblobbed NCC 2-1 (they did not know about the MM reinforcements that had arrived) Now that fight was a display of tactics, moving an entire BS fleet in position without it being noticed by the enemy... (http://kb.insrg.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=31227) I used to think Insurgency were an worthy opponent, well, I could not have been more wrong! They use their numerical advantage as much as any other entity in this game would, the difference is they can only fight much smaller and weaker alliances to get a little space of their own, and then boast about it. And combine that with the lame 'tactics' of metagaming, which turned against them very quickly... But it was TRInsurgency that started using pos passwords to kill afk ppl at hostile posses. Very honorable to warp 6 motherships into a pos while smartbombing. And a day or so later use a titan DD at a pos after entering the pos password, just to kill the new supplies that had been brought up hours earlier. U were too cowardly to kill the haulers when they were moving, so u waited till NCC numbers went down and then used the pw from spies and the biggest fracking gun in EVE to kill a few supplies! The Insurg password for the posses were known from day 1, but they were intentionally, not used. After Insurgency showed that they would fight in every dishonest way they could come up with, they lost a lot of supplies and ships from their posses. Oh and the smack, OMG Insurgency even made Goon blush with the things that were said in local. GTFO, a bunch of whining cowards, that's what u are!
Minigin Ganja Labs Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:57:00 - [58] couple of long alt posts. firstly. thank you for informing us all of failcorps opinion. i am sure it is valid... somewhere... i find it hilarious that you are attempting to take a moral high ground while hiding behind an alt. not to mention your FC's hinging most of their tactics on having at least 1 spy on our vent. but this has really spiraled out from the central issue. can you do jack **** alone? . MINIGIN! Now bringing colour back to these forums =)
Darc Kaahar Bionic Dawn	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:57:00 - [59] This thread is very good. Tearavygh Quillam being the best poster in it.
FellRaven GREY COUNCIL Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:57:00 - [60] Original Post was funny. Pity about the replies

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