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Element 22
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Posted - 2008.05.27 04:44:00 -
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I'm still ( ) a fairly new character, while not a spring green noob, I'm still fairly green. My question is how to proceed from here.
Because you see, I want to fly AFs, I know that they're not quite what they're supposed to be, at least according to the forums, but I like frigates and the Enyo seemed like the logical step up from the incursus.
But I only have 30 million in my wallet right now, and with the cost of Afs and the rate at which I know I'll lose them I'll need more money, however I can only run lvl 3's at the moment. I could work up to lvl 4's but I can't fly BSs yet.
So my question basically is, should I train for a BS first or is it viable to train for AFs with only lvl 3's as income?
I need mechanic V (have III) and Gallente frigate V (I have IV) to start on assault ships.
I need Gallente IV (I have III) for Battleships, but also at least another 40 million (because I'm more turret then drone invested, although I do have drone V and interfacing III) so wouldn't it be better to get a mega instead of a dom?
and one more question (sorry  ), if I'm going to go for the mega, should I just save up for Hyp because of the repairing bonus? Also the Hyp is more awesome in my mind 
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.05.27 04:49:00 -
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If you just need money, grab an Imicus and an Atron and start ninja salvaging in Dodixie. Gallente Frigate V will help there. Or, get a BC and join a 0.0 alliance where you can milk the rats for a steady income. Don't divert ur training plan for months just to improve the ISK stream for something else... there are so many easy ways to get ISK without changing your character's whole role.
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Gark32
X Bane X
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
If you just need money, grab an Imicus and an Atron and start ninja salvaging in Dodixie. Gallente Frigate V will help there. Or, get a BC and join a 0.0 alliance where you can milk the rats for a steady income. Don't divert ur training plan for months just to improve the ISK stream for something else... there are so many easy ways to get ISK without changing your character's whole role.
i would normally agree with you, but BS training for easy money from l4's is something he's going to have to do eventually anyway. in addition, the money from most l4's is 3-4x that of a similar l3, thus increasing isk income dramatically. few 0.0 alliances will accept a newb, and ninja salvaging is kind of risky at best.
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gark32
few 0.0 alliances will accept a newb, and ninja salvaging is kind of risky at best.
My experience is contradictory. I was in a 0.0 alliance as a fresh green newbie with my first character (a good alliance, too) and ninja salvaging has been a reliable and entertaining way to earn 5-10M per hour. It's not big money but considering that it only takes about a day of training and half a million ISK to start up, it's decent.
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Element 22
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:14:00 -
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Not to put a damper or anything, but I have....issues...with ninja salvaging. Which is exactly why I'm thrilled about FW, because I also had...issues...with pvp as is, mostly the pirate factor. I love fighting...but I can't quite pull off the whole yar attitude.
Once again my RL ethics stops what would be a very...um...fun, yes, that's the clean *cough* PC word, uh time.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:25:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 27/05/2008 05:25:28
IMO, train BS's for ISK income.
Get all the appropriate skills to 4, and that should suffice. There will be a few you'll need to five.
-Liang
Ed: Also, you can do lvl 4's in a Drake, which leads nicely to a Raven. The Raven is 100% the easiest mission runner to train for.
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Element 22
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:31:00 -
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Besides the fact that I'm a gallente who will be fighting on the gallente side, can you say conflict of interest? No? Well, I suppose you caldari would only see the ends, so any means justify (/RPing).
But I would have to cross train to Caldari and get missile skills so I don't think that will be happening, at least not time wise, but thank you (not sarcasm) for the reply.
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Furb Killer
The Peacekeeper Core
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:34:00 -
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Yeah let him crosstrain to caldari and missiles just because raven is easy mode for missions.
I would really go for battleships. I use assault frigates for pvp when i am out of isk. A single lvl 4 mission will give you enough isk to replace one (assuming it is a semi decent mission).
And two, are you sure you want to go for enyo. Ishkur is the other gallente assault frigate, which uses both drones and guns. You can also invest more in drones and get a dominix. Ishkur is more suitable if you play solo imo.
Allthough megathron for missions and ishkur for pvp is also possible (I do it), a domi is probably easier.
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: Element 22
Once again my RL ethics stops what would be a very...um...fun, yes, that's the clean *cough* PC word, uh time.
LOL. RL ethics? Suggest you try role-playing.
Anyway your post was about whether or not to divert your training for a month or two just to get an ISK faucet. I'm just saying "no". Look into 0.0 alliances.
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Furb Killer
The Peacekeeper Core
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:41:00 -
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Milk battleship rats with enyo/ishkur? I wont say it is impossible to do. But you need a lot of patience.
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:46:00 -
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He's already got Cruiser III. If he's got the guns for it, there's no reason he couldn't fly a Brutix within the hour.
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Wideen
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:48:00 -
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Nice entry lvl isk comes from mining. Doesn't require high skills and can easily improve your balance, even in high sec.
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: Wideen
Nice entry lvl isk comes from mining. Doesn't require high skills and can easily improve your balance, even in high sec.
/me coughs, gags, and barfs all over this post. NEVER MINE!
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Element 22
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Posted - 2008.05.27 06:03:00 -
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I already own and use a brutix for my lvl 3 missions, but I don't think it will hold up under lvl 4 kind of dps. Also I can't afford to lose it more then maybe once, so ratting in it seems out of the question for now.
Also I already do rat, in a frigate! Incurus with tech II ions. It does take forever, but I can kill up to 800K BS spawns
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Grarr Dexx
Naval Protection Corp
Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.05.27 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: Element 22
I already own and use a brutix for my lvl 3 missions, but I don't think it will hold up under lvl 4 kind of dps. Also I can't afford to lose it more then maybe once, so ratting in it seems out of the question for now.
Also I already do rat, in a frigate! Incurus with tech II ions. It does take forever, but I can kill up to 800K BS spawns
Join some peaceful 0.0 alliance and go take that brutix for a spin there, ya might like it 
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Warrio
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gark32
few 0.0 alliances will accept a newb
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Element 22
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Posted - 2008.05.27 16:53:00 -
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I'll look into the 0.0 alliances, and since I only need about 6 days before I can hop into a BS I'll train for that quickly and then finish up my AF training.
Thanks!
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:05:00 -
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First of all, I am a firm believer that at least SOME of the AF's can pull their weight. Yes there are almost always better ships for the role the AF fills but that doesn't mean the AF CAN'T fill them.
Regarding the topic of income etc, a battleship is going to be your best bet. There are indeed lots of ways to earn money but it's hard to get more effecient at it than running Level 4's (either in a Domi, Raven, Abaddon/Apoc, or whatever Minmitar players use (I honestly don't know which of their ships would be best suited to the role)).
If you join a 0.0 alliance and wish to partake in PVP it essentially comes in two flavors - small gang (probably small nano gang) and fleet. Joining a fleet fight is pretty much playing russian roulette and as such requires a fairly steady supply of ISK to keep doing. Small gang has a higher survival rate but even nano ships get killed from time to time.
You're absolute best bet if you want to jump into PVP is to run missions and join a PVP corp. There are many KINDS of PVP corp - the "griefing" style (attacking people for fun rather than any merit or potential gain), the mercenary style (like griefing but on behalf of another) and the piracy corp (like griefing but with a swashbuckling take on the subject). Such corporations may use you like cannon fodder, but if you find a good one you're sure to have at least some fun learning the ropes of PVP. If no ops are going on, run missions for cash (because one can never have too fat a wallet).
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:14:00 -
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I had a similar desire last year to fly assault frigates, even though I had read that tech 1 cruiser could accomplish all that an assault frigate could for much less.
To answer your questions - yes you can afford to train and fly AF even with a level 3 mission income (hint: don't put rigs in your AF till you are comfortable with the ship and know its limits).
I don't think you need to train for a BS to learn to pvp.
While I agree cruisers are better tackle/gank/tank ships than AF - that assumes you have tech 2 gear on a cruiser - which takes a decent amount of time to train.
You might be better off - flying AF, training all your support skills up to IV and IV - get the ship completely tech 2 fitted - and practice pvp. Meanwhile as you become better at flying your Enyo or Ishkur - you could be training up Medium Hybrid V - and once you can use tech 2 medium hybrid guns - buy a Thorax and have some fun.
As for Hyp vs Mega... Depends on what you're trying to accomplish. I like a Hyperion's extra mid slot for fitting some ECCM. 
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Dreadpilot Roberts
Corp 1 Allstars
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:17:00 -
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dont listen to these ppl :) Train up your drone skills ! Heavy drone operation V and Drone interfacing IV. If you say you have gallente cruiser V that's all you need. Train and specialize in the ishtar which is the best ship gallente have (sub-battleship class) and from there, as you like drone boats, the obvious progression will be the Dominix and then Carriers. If you like blasters a lot you still have to train heavy drones V and drone interfacing IV (or V if you really wanna hurt ppl and/or NPC) and train up for large t2 guns and BS thus using blaster Megathrons. Btw, Ishtar can hold its own in many lvl 4's, against guristas it's pwnage.
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Derek Sigres
If no ops are going on, run missions for cash (because one can never have too fat a wallet).
I think that ratting in 0.0 is going to make him more money than running missions, especially with low skills. I'm advising him to join a 0.0 alliance so that he can make big money with low skills, not so that he can learn battleship PVP, which doesn't seem to be what he wants.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Derek Sigres
If no ops are going on, run missions for cash (because one can never have too fat a wallet).
I think that ratting in 0.0 is going to make him more money than running missions, especially with low skills. I'm advising him to join a 0.0 alliance so that he can make big money with low skills, not so that he can learn battleship PVP, which doesn't seem to be what he wants.
That was my point. While I can earn more money with less annoyance (ratting is somewhat less boring than mission running for some bizarre reason) in 0.0 it carries a degree of risk mission running and small scale empire/lowsec PVP. Most of the gangs in 0.0 are nano's or BS blobs - it's a simple fact of life out there. Given that he's well on his way to training for an Ishtar he's better suited to nullsec than I am (because other than the Cerb or Falcon, I have little to offer a nano gang).
I suppose it's all a matter of preference, and the sheer ability to choose your path in Eve versus being handed your path when you create your character is probably the biggest draw of the game. My recommendation is based on my experiences in the game - others feel differently.
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.05.27 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Derek Sigres
Given that he's well on his way to training for an Ishtar he's better suited to nullsec than I am (because other than the Cerb or Falcon, I have little to offer a nano gang).
I've never seen any FC in 0.0 turn his nose up at a Falcon!
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Amuko
Disturbance Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Element 22
Not to put a damper or anything, but I have....issues...with ninja salvaging. Which is exactly why I'm thrilled about FW, because I also had...issues...with pvp as is, mostly the pirate factor. I love fighting...but I can't quite pull off the whole yar attitude.
Once again my RL ethics stops what would be a very...um...fun, yes, that's the clean *cough* PC word, uh time.
Lots of people feel that way when they 'pirate' for the first time, so did I, even let some folks escape because I felt bad for them .
But if you try a few times and you get smacked you'll lose that feeling, very, very fast .
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.05.27 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Derek Sigres
Given that he's well on his way to training for an Ishtar he's better suited to nullsec than I am (because other than the Cerb or Falcon, I have little to offer a nano gang).
I've never seen any FC in 0.0 turn his nose up at a Falcon!
True, but that's what I save my much cheaper to replace and much more surivavable scorpions for. 
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Rono Vizu
Mishi Guards
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Posted - 2008.05.27 19:26:00 -
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Edited by: Rono Vizu on 27/05/2008 19:26:57
I climbed into a retribution last night, but my intentions are to only pvp with it. I like to Rp every now and then too. My advice would be to form a PVP corp with some folks who are already BS trained, that you could tag along and do some lvl 4 missions with. after you guys work up some good isk, get back to the fun that is PVP.
BTW I hope to see you on the Gallente front.
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Janus Cohen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 19:41:00 -
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/me was disturbed when he discovered he could sell GTCs. But I quickly got over it after I started spending the isk.
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