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Hakito	Posted - 2008.05.29 01:14:00 - [1] I have been away for a couple years and when I left most rats dropped canisters with loot. When they rolled out salvaging did they drastically reduce the chances of loot dropping if you donÆt salvage? I seem to only get actual loot on wrecks 25% of the time. More often than not I fly to the wreck (my kills) and open it only to discover nothing there. I am not sure if I have just had very bad luck or not. Deciding if its worth training in all the skills required to get a salvager.
Popperr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.29 01:17:00 - [2] Train salvaging.
Gojyu Ever Flow	Posted - 2008.05.29 01:26:00 - [3] Originally by: Hakito I have been away for a couple years and when I left most rats dropped canisters with loot. When they rolled out salvaging did they drastically reduce the chances of loot dropping if you donÆt salvage? I seem to only get actual loot on wrecks 25% of the time. More often than not I fly to the wreck (my kills) and open it only to discover nothing there. I am not sure if I have just had very bad luck or not. Deciding if its worth training in all the skills required to get a salvager. Given that salvaging makes up 25-50% of a mission runner's income, yeah, you should probably train it
Hakito	Posted - 2008.05.29 01:31:00 - [4] Thanks for the feedback. When I left it did not exist yet so I didnÆt realize it was that big of an impact. I will start training.
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.05.29 02:06:00 - [5] Belt rats almost always drop loot, but mission rats drop significantly less on a per-rat basis, because there are more rats. ---------------- [insert signature here]
Ki Tarra Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.05.29 02:17:00 - [6] Originally by: Hakito More often than not I fly to the wreck (my kills) and open it only to discover nothing there. Why are you flying to the wrecks to check if they have loot? If the inverted triangle part of its overview icon is solid, it has loot. If the triangle is empty, then so is the wreck. AFAIK, they did not revamp loot tables with any specific regard to salvaging, although there have obviously been changes made to the loot tables over the past couple years. It is definately worth getting the skill required for a salvager, you will be out less than 1 million ISK, one good wreck can earn you more than that in salvage. The training time should not be an issue as there is very little reason to train the skill past level 3 or 4.
Dalacha	Posted - 2008.05.29 02:21:00 - [7] Originally by: Ki Tarra Why are you flying to the wrecks to check if they have loot? If the inverted triangle part of its overview icon is solid, it has loot. If the triangle is empty, then so is the wreck. Did not know that. I am such a newbie . Thanks for the info!
Ki Tarra Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.05.29 02:23:00 - [8] Edited by: Ki Tarra on 29/05/2008 02:25:07 Originally by: Dalacha Did not know that. I am such a newbie . Thanks for the info! While you at it, have a look in your overview settings, there is even an option to hide empty wrecks completely. They also change colors after you open them. The whining about the incovience of looting wrecks verses looting cans got us alot of features shortly after they were introduced.
Bunk Manchez	Posted - 2008.05.29 02:28:00 - [9] Originally by: Dalacha Originally by: Ki Tarra Why are you flying to the wrecks to check if they have loot? If the inverted triangle part of its overview icon is solid, it has loot. If the triangle is empty, then so is the wreck. Did not know that. I am such a newbie . Thanks for the info! I did not know that either. Thanks for the info. Looks like I have a lot to learn/re-learn.
Dalacha	Posted - 2008.05.29 02:33:00 - [10] Edited by: Dalacha on 29/05/2008 02:33:30 Originally by: Ki Tarra While you at it, have a look in your overview settings, there is even an option to hide empty wrecks completely. I would if I could, but I'm at work right now, killing time by browsing the EVE forums since things are extremley slow here (Working the night shift). Sounds like a very usefull option though.
Ki Tarra Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.05.29 02:37:00 - [11] Originally by: Dalacha I would if I could, but I'm at work right now, killing time by browsing the EVE forums since things are extremley slow here (Working the night shift). Ya, my day shift goes by like that most of the time.
Dalacha	Posted - 2008.05.29 02:41:00 - [12] Originally by: Ki Tarra Ya, my day shift goes by like that most of the time. Hehe, here at my job they have pretty much every site blocket except the ones deemed necessary for work during the daytime, but luckily they open up the blocks for the night time crew.
Jurgen Cartis Interstellar Corporation of Exploration Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.05.29 04:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Ki Tarra Edited by: Ki Tarra on 29/05/2008 02:25:07 Originally by: Dalacha Did not know that. I am such a newbie . Thanks for the info! While you at it, have a look in your overview settings, there is even an option to hide empty wrecks completely. They also change colors after you open them. The whining about the incovience of looting wrecks verses looting cans got us alot of features shortly after they were introduced. Heh, I remember cargo scanning wrecks in my old looting Kestrel to check if they were worth tractoring in or not. This was also back when Salvaging took Survey 5, so I didn't have it yet, so I had no need for the extra highs on a Destroyer. I should mention that fitting a salvager to your general roaming ship can occasionally get you some nice bonuses when people leave unsalvaged T2 wrecks lying around. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Soliscout	Posted - 2008.05.29 08:31:00 - [14] Originally by: Ki Tarra While you at it, have a look in your overview settings, there is even an option to hide empty wrecks completely. I wonder where that setting is? I only find the option whether to show wrecks or to hide wrecks...but this affects ALL wrecks no matter if they have loot or are empty? Somebody may enlighten me on where to filter out empty wrecks
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum	Posted - 2008.05.29 12:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Soliscout Originally by: Ki Tarra While you at it, have a look in your overview settings, there is even an option to hide empty wrecks completely. I wonder where that setting is? I only find the option whether to show wrecks or to hide wrecks...but this affects ALL wrecks no matter if they have loot or are empty? Somebody may enlighten me on where to filter out empty wrecks I can't check the exact options as I don't have access to the game right now, but you need to look at the "State" tab - there's a box that says something like "wreck has been viewed by me". I don't think that's quite the same as hiding empty wrecks, but if this latter is possible it should be enabled in the same location.
Raukho Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.05.29 13:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Ki Tarra [The training time should not be an issue as there is very little reason to train the skill past level 3 or 4. There are very good reason to train up to and including level 4. Maybe less for a mission runner but you need lvl 4 for T2 and faction wrecks.
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum	Posted - 2008.05.29 13:37:00 - [17] Originally by: Raukho There are very good reason to train [Salvaging] up to and including level 4. Maybe less for a mission runner but you need lvl 4 for T2 and faction wrecks. Circumstantial evidence from multiple people (including myself) suggests that salvaging level 3 is sufficient for salvaging T2 and faction wrecks.
Ki Tarra Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:28:00 - [18] Originally by: Gartel Reiman Originally by: Raukho There are very good reason to train [Salvaging] up to and including level 4. Maybe less for a mission runner but you need lvl 4 for T2 and faction wrecks. Circumstantial evidence from multiple people (including myself) suggests that salvaging level 3 is sufficient for salvaging T2 and faction wrecks. Hence my advice. Train to level 3 if you are casually salvaging, as level 4 only decreases the number of rescans needed from 85% to 80%. Training to level 4 is advised if you find that you spend a fair bit of time salvaging as the increased success rate is helpful when you are scanning alot of wrecks. It is more important when scanning T2 wrecks as the success rate with level 3 is only 5%, and level 4 will double your success rate to 10%. Level 5 is only for the hard core salvager. I would recommend fitting salvage rigs before training to level 5. Thus which level to stop training at depends on how much salvaging you do: either 3 for light salvaging, or 4 for more frequent salvaging. As another note: the success rate of your salvaging does NOT affect what salvage you will find. It will only affect how often you need to retry to get the salvage that is available, if there is any. Each time you scan a wreck, you will get one of 3 results: scan failed, try again; scan successful, nothing there; scan successful salvage found. The salvage skill and rigs decreases the frequency of "scan failed, try again" results. It does nothing to the ratio of salvage found vs nothing found.
Abraham Mosby	Posted - 2008.05.29 18:59:00 - [19] Doesnt the Salvager itself give you an extra 5% chance at salvage? With Salvage level 3 dont you have a 20% chance?

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