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Gavin Darklighter
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:22:00 -
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I honestly don't think my maelstrom needs any more damage output, its kinda overpowered allready if you ask me. But if ACs got a straight 7% damage increase accross the board and the maelstrom was changed to a damage instead of ROF bonus, the DPS would stay the same while the tempest would get a slight boost. Plus my ammo bill from the Maelstrom would go down a bit :P
The only problems I have with autos is the ammo. Barrage is nice, but EMP and Hail could use some work. I would like to see EMP get its base damage raised to be in-line with short-range charges and crystals. Nerf the long-range projectile ammo if you need to, no one uses that stuff anyway. Also, I don't see why Hail should lose 50% falloff and optimal when Void only loses 25% opt and 50% falloff, and Conflag has same range and T1 MF. It would be nice if Hail didn't have any optimal penalty so 800m IIs could hit for full or near-full damage at the edge of web range.
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Guillame Herschel
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.16 23:45:00 -
[92]
Mos def.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.17 00:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Gavin Darklighter
I honestly don't think my maelstrom needs any more damage output, its kinda overpowered allready if you ask me
Hahahahahaha. Wow, just wow. This is one of the most ignorant things I've seen posted today.
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Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
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Posted - 2008.06.17 02:56:00 -
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I got tired of being the underdog a while back, so...
/signed
-Wrayeth
n00b Extraordinaire
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Gavin Darklighter
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.06.17 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Gavin Darklighter
I honestly don't think my maelstrom needs any more damage output, its kinda overpowered allready if you ask me
Hahahahahaha. Wow, just wow. This is one of the most ignorant things I've seen posted today.
Pot calling Kettle, come in Kettle. I fly the Maelstrom almost exclusivly as a solo low-sec battleship, and find it very effective. It might not be all that great in a blob with poor hitpoints, but then I don't fly like that.
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Kyle Cataclysm
Blue.
Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.17 19:25:00 -
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I disagree with the OP. 650mm and 800mm Autos are fine. The Tempest could use a boost though.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin Darklighter
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Gavin Darklighter
I honestly don't think my maelstrom needs any more damage output, its kinda overpowered allready if you ask me
Hahahahahaha. Wow, just wow. This is one of the most ignorant things I've seen posted today.
Pot calling Kettle, come in Kettle. I fly the Maelstrom almost exclusivly as a solo low-sec battleship, and find it very effective. It might not be all that great in a blob with poor hitpoints, but then I don't fly like that.
ITT: Effective = overpowered.
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Gavin Darklighter
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.06.17 22:18:00 -
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Well I consider it to be the strongest short-range solo/small-gang battleship, if that is ballanced or overpowered is not my call. I do belive it would become grossly overpowered if large autocannons were boosted and the maelstrom stayed the same however.
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Marn Prestoc
The Black Mamba's
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Posted - 2008.06.17 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Marn Prestoc on 17/06/2008 23:23:59
Originally by: Gavin Darklighter
Well I consider it to be the strongest short-range solo/small-gang battleship, if that is ballanced or overpowered is not my call. I do belive it would become grossly overpowered if large autocannons were boosted and the maelstrom stayed the same however.
Well I don't know how your using it or fitting (mwd, wd, web?) so can't say your wrong but I find it hard to believe the Maelstrom is the best short-range solo/small gang BS when there's ships like Hyperion that can tank similar and tackle with more speed + agility.
I do like the idea of increase AC damage and change Maelstrom ROF bonus to damage bonus to keep people happy and help the Tempest Vs Maelstrom comparisons. But as with most changes this affects the arty discussions so really have to fix the whole lot or one at a time and knowing CCP they will go with one at a time.
I certainly wouldn't complain about large projectiles if:
1. Maelstrom given dmg bonus instead of ROF. hell yeah real alpha!
2. AC damage increased slightly.
3. Hail fixed and t1 ammo range updated for todays EVE.
4. Tremor given falloff bonus.
Although I suspect even then Tempest would still need "something".
While away for the week i'll probably use pen and paper and make epic topic (no eft! just experience and memory) to type up when back home.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.18 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Marn Prestoc
Although I suspect even then Tempest would still need "something".
Better handling (having the same agility as a raven/mega/hype doesn't make a whole lot of sense really), more dronebay/bandwidth.
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Xar Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.20 08:07:00 -
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I've been flying the Maelstrom a bit now and I think it could use some help. Seems there ships aren't quite up to par as the other races ships at BS size and up, as I have read from the different forums and now experiencing myself, while BC and lower they have some of the best ships. |
Jin Entres
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.06.29 19:51:00 -
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Supported.
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Kame Malice
Minmatar
Mitsukashi Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2008.06.29 20:29:00 -
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after flying a typhoon with an auto cannon and cruise combo (should have gone with torps in hind sight) i must NOT support this. with basic skills in gunnery (large obviously) you can do quite large DPS, there is a decent falloff, and the things take no cap.
as an exclusive auto cannon user, even I can not support this. |
Bane Glorious
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Posted - 2008.06.30 00:55:00 -
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To follow up on this, this issue did not officially make it to Iceland. I did, however, manage to tell Oveur, Hammerhead, and some other guys about various complaints about large ACs in general. Not promising that they'll look at it, but hey, at least it's something. |
TheCraftyHippo
Vanguard Frontiers
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.06.30 03:42:00 -
[105]
Supported. |
General StarScream
Gallente
Empyrean Gallente
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Posted - 2008.06.30 07:01:00 -
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NO way, Minmatar are allready way overpowerd. em/exp dam. +20% dam, no cap to fire. extreme falloff.
ye right get real. they need a nerf if anything.
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SickSeven
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Posted - 2008.06.30 16:06:00 -
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EFT DPS numbers dont mean sh*t real world because we fight in FALLOFF wich can be a drastic reduction in DPS.
Get a clue people.
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Kame Malice
Minmatar
Mitsukashi Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2008.06.30 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Glorious
To follow up on this, this issue did not officially make it to Iceland. I did, however, manage to tell Oveur, Hammerhead, and some other guys about various complaints about large ACs in general. Not promising that they'll look at it, but hey, at least it's something.
the reason it didn't make it to iceland is beacuse LESS THAN HALF OF THE POSTS SUPPORT IT!
Just because you're CSM does NOT mean your ideas get to be moved to the front of the list. wait in line like the rest of us.
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Sir Ibex
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Posted - 2008.07.01 03:03:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Ibex on 01/07/2008 03:08:39
Not supported. The op doesn't really provide a thorough, convincing explanation of why the BS sized autocannons are lacking.
Now a question to the Op... Do you want everything in this game to be equal? One of the reasons EVE is great is because not everything is perfectly balanced! Yes, lasers might be better than autocannnons... But have you considered that this is the way it should be? If you want the advantages of lasers, train into amarr. Simple as that. If you will get a buff to your autocannons, why shouldn't I get a buff to my missiles? Why shouldn't Gallente also get a buff? Then we will all be equal, balanced, and... BORING.
EVE had many issues, and imbalances since it's release. Many of these are still not "fixed". I think it's for a reason, and it's a good thing. If the game has endured for so many years, and people are still playing it despite these issues, then apparently people are willing to live with it and take advantage of their race's strong points instead of whining about disadvantages as opposed to other races. Why? Because not all of these issues are issues. A lot of it is for a reason.
If you'd bring up a strong point such as "Minmatar assault ships have only half the armor and damage of amarr ships" I'd support you, because that would be a huge, completely illogical disadvantage. But saying that Minmatar BS sized autocannnons are "a bit" lacking when compared to amarr lasers? Give me a break man... Next thing I know, you'll be asking that Minmatar BS is made equal to Raven so Minmatar can be just as efficient in missions. Guess what... You have to train for a Raven to have all the advantages of flying one, not ask that these benefits are applied to the ship you currently fly.
Where some races are lacking in damage or range, they compensate in armor or speed. Where some races are speedy or armored, they lack in damage or range. You choose which of the above factors are more important to you. You don't ask to have all of the above.
My car might be lacking "a bit" in comfort when compared to your car, but I wont complain about it, since my vehicle is faster and more powerful, and you wont complain cause you want the comfort and the smooth ride. Catch my drift yet?
Originally by: Kame Malice
Originally by: Bane Glorious
To follow up on this, this issue did not officially make it to Iceland. I did, however, manage to tell Oveur, Hammerhead, and some other guys about various complaints about large ACs in general. Not promising that they'll look at it, but hey, at least it's something.
the reason it didn't make it to iceland is beacuse LESS THAN HALF OF THE POSTS SUPPORT IT!
Just because you're CSM does NOT mean your ideas get to be moved to the front of the list. wait in line like the rest of us.
Here you already have an example of how some CSMs are abusing their power. I cant believe he even had the nerve to bring this up with other people up top before there has even been enough votes supporting him to do so.
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Bane Glorious
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Posted - 2008.07.01 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kame Malice
Originally by: Bane Glorious
To follow up on this, this issue did not officially make it to Iceland. I did, however, manage to tell Oveur, Hammerhead, and some other guys about various complaints about large ACs in general. Not promising that they'll look at it, but hey, at least it's something.
the reason it didn't make it to iceland is beacuse LESS THAN HALF OF THE POSTS SUPPORT IT!
Just because you're CSM does NOT mean your ideas get to be moved to the front of the list. wait in line like the rest of us.
Actually, the issue did get approved in a 5/4 vote by the council, it just did not get approved before the deadline for an official response from CCP. If I had brought up this topic one week before, it would have been officially raised and the devs would have done a detailed analysis and stuff for the CSM delegates to see, that kind of thing.
As for the other guy, who blasted some kind of virulent diarrhea all over this thread about how autocannons are supposed to be worse than lasers and blasters in every situation; you need to get your head checked, because you're a complete nut. |
General StarScream
Gallente
Empyrean Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.01 10:19:00 -
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Edited by: General StarScream on 01/07/2008 10:26:07
LOL so the elected people chose there own stuff to fix?
i want to delte my vote, cuse you all gona fail, if you do it like this.
i have never ever beated a skilled minmatar pilot on sissi, NEVER. i wonder why. it must be my perfect gal skills.
oh well make sure they are better. Good job.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.01 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Glorious
As for the other guy, who blasted some kind of virulent diarrhea all over this thread about how autocannons are supposed to be worse than lasers and blasters in every situation; you need to get your head checked, because you're a complete nut.
I'm not sure if you're referring to me here, but if you are all I said was that the balancing has to be done at the ship level, not at the weapon level. Minmatar ships are generally faster than other ships, and as such they need to be worse in other fields to compensate. Damage seems a natural candidate. I don't want to see Minnie battleships doing 3 DPS, but I also don't want to see autocannons doing blaster DPS with no cap use on a hull that's twice as fast. Both of those are bad situations, I think we can agree.
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Bane Glorious
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Posted - 2008.07.01 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Bane Glorious
As for the other guy, who blasted some kind of virulent diarrhea all over this thread about how autocannons are supposed to be worse than lasers and blasters in every situation; you need to get your head checked, because you're a complete nut.
I'm not sure if you're referring to me here, but if you are all I said was that the balancing has to be done at the ship level, not at the weapon level. Minmatar ships are generally faster than other ships, and as such they need to be worse in other fields to compensate. Damage seems a natural candidate. I don't want to see Minnie battleships doing 3 DPS, but I also don't want to see autocannons doing blaster DPS with no cap use on a hull that's twice as fast. Both of those are bad situations, I think we can agree.
I was actually referring to Sir Ibex, though you're a little bonkers too.
The premise that I presented to CCP was that, at the battleship level, Autocannons do not have a big enough berth of ranges at which they will out-DPS blasters, or that this range is too difficult to maintain given changes such as the HP buff in Revelations 1 and the introduction of overheatable webs. Took about two minutes, I think. Doesn't seem like a harmful thing to say, and if they find that it's not the case after their eventual examination, then they won't change anything. |
General StarScream
Gallente
Empyrean Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.01 21:33:00 -
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why should they out dps blasters?
blasters take alot of cap to fire. and only shots therm/kin.
while with autocannons you can pick your dam,
your boost dont make sense, in any terms, other than to boost minmatar even more.
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