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Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.08 21:27:00 -
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I can think of one actually:
Make 0.0 local channel like in wormhole space, make it dangerous, as all profitable places should be.
That way, more risk and less isk to go around.
Less carebear alliance control = pricedrop.
o/ |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
99
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Posted - 2012.03.08 21:43:00 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:I can think of one actually:
Make 0.0 local channel like in wormhole space, make it dangerous, as all profitable places should be.
That way, more risk and less isk to go around.
Less carebear alliance control = pricedrop.
o/
Yes Null sec is the problem, not high sec incursions... |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
651
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Posted - 2012.03.08 21:56:00 -
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Yes, it is totally so much easier to earn ISK safely in nullsec than in hisec nowadays. You earn so much more ISK, too.
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Ed: don't get me wrong, removing local in 0.0 would be awesome, but it would not do much about the economy. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Skye Aurorae
No Bull Ships
204
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Posted - 2012.03.08 21:56:00 -
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There are many many things wrong with the Eve Economy. Local chat has nothing to do with it.
The truth is CCP has a poor history of thinking about the economy when rolling out features:
When Promethium and Dysprosium were dominating t2 production costs they introduced Alchemy..... shortly before they discovered a bug in the POS code that was being exploited to create moon goo products from nothing. The alchemy fix was based on poor data and never really worked.
In dominion they rebalanced t2 ship building, Akita T published an analysis before release that showed Technetium was the new bottleneck. CCP went ahead and ultimately didn't fix anything with their rebalance.
Tyrannis replaced NPC products with planetary production. But many smart people stockpiled the old NPC goods, buying piles of them cheaply and selling them off slowly for huge profits. (personally, I'm sitting on tens of billions in NPC goods, and they're rising in price slowly). The PI products market will still be broken for years to come.
Titans were supposed to be super rare, now, thanks in part to the drone alloy mechanic, we're seeing 2 titans born every day.
Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM! Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21, so.. Vote for Scott Manley / Skye Aurorae for CSM 7 An Expert in Dealing with Childish Arguments Over Toys. http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=458 |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
108
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Posted - 2012.03.08 21:57:00 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:I can think of one actually:
Make 0.0 local channel like in wormhole space, make it dangerous, as all profitable places should be.
That way, more risk and less isk to go around.
Less carebear alliance control = pricedrop.
o/ -2/10 Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.03.08 22:01:00 -
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Blow more stuff up. For every player ship that blows up, the wheels of the economy turn slightly faster. -áDo your bit today. -áGo out and PEW.
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Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.08 22:02:00 -
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:I can think of one actually:
Make 0.0 local channel like in wormhole space, make it dangerous, as all profitable places should be.
That way, more risk and less isk to go around.
Less carebear alliance control = pricedrop.
o/ Yes Null sec is the problem, not high sec incursions...
Both problems. |
Strategos
Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2012.03.08 22:10:00 -
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I've been an opponent of removing local for a long time...but the more and more I think about it, the more and more I realize that removing local may be the only way for players to completely destroy bots in a large scale level.
If not removing local, delay the time in which you are shown in local by a couple minutes. This generally wont be a problem for alliances with intel channels. They will eventually show up and be reported in proper intel channels that there are reds in he area moving around.
This will however become a problem for Bots because those hunting them will not show up in local for a few minutes, and since they pretty much rely on local their program wont be able to see them for a few minutes and it will be much easier to catch bots.
CCP has also said they are working on "cloaky-hunters", not much info about that, if they did decide to remove local and people are worried about cloakers.
I think a delay would be the best compromise between the two sides.
Being able to mass destroy bots would surely fix some of the market problems. |
Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.08 22:21:00 -
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Strategos wrote:I've been an opponent of removing local for a long time...but the more and more I think about it, the more and more I realize that removing local may be the only way for players to completely destroy bots in a large scale level.
If not removing local, delay the time in which you are shown in local by a couple minutes. This generally wont be a problem for alliances with intel channels. They will eventually show up and be reported in proper intel channels that there are reds in he area moving around.
This will however become a problem for Bots because those hunting them will not show up in local for a few minutes, and since they pretty much rely on local their program wont be able to see them for a few minutes and it will be much easier to catch bots.
CCP has also said they are working on "cloaky-hunters", not much info about that, if they did decide to remove local and people are worried about cloakers.
I think a delay would be the best compromise between the two sides.
Being able to mass destroy bots would surely fix some of the market problems.
Last night, i ran accross a dude in an ice system, 15 or so peeps in local wth him, all in hulks at a pos.
He said something like "Goodluck with fight here buddy", and logged off. All other locals disappeared soon after.
No issues at all with nullsec local, no sir, let's keep it... |
Avid Bumhumper
Furian Necromongers
28
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Posted - 2012.03.08 22:26:00 -
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-10/10 Lost interest after Op decided to go off in left field.....
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1201
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Posted - 2012.03.08 22:40:00 -
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I wasn't aware the economy was broken... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
301
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Posted - 2012.03.08 22:58:00 -
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Much as I appreciate the 'kill nullsec' whine thread, you guys realise that most of those botters moved to highsec L4s after the anomaly nerf if they weren't there already, right? ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
356
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Posted - 2012.03.09 09:14:00 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:I can think of one actually:
Make 0.0 local channel like in wormhole space, make it dangerous, as all profitable places should be.
That way, more risk and less isk to go around.
Less carebear alliance control = pricedrop.
o/ Run that by me again...what does this have to do with the economy? = price stability. (I can do it, too!)
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
496
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Posted - 2012.03.09 09:33:00 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:Strategos wrote:I've been an opponent of removing local for a long time...but the more and more I think about it, the more and more I realize that removing local may be the only way for players to completely destroy bots in a large scale level.
If not removing local, delay the time in which you are shown in local by a couple minutes. This generally wont be a problem for alliances with intel channels. They will eventually show up and be reported in proper intel channels that there are reds in he area moving around.
This will however become a problem for Bots because those hunting them will not show up in local for a few minutes, and since they pretty much rely on local their program wont be able to see them for a few minutes and it will be much easier to catch bots.
CCP has also said they are working on "cloaky-hunters", not much info about that, if they did decide to remove local and people are worried about cloakers.
I think a delay would be the best compromise between the two sides.
Being able to mass destroy bots would surely fix some of the market problems. Last night, i ran accross a dude in an ice system, 15 or so peeps in local wth him, all in hulks at a pos. He said something like "Goodluck with fight here buddy", and logged off. All other locals disappeared soon after. No issues at all with isk in nullsec, no sir, let's keep local the way it is... No compromise, it needs to go, *period*. Enough of this carebear crap, we're all sick of it, it just makes a boring game for everybody.
Good luck with the forum fight here buddy, (gonna log off) I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
381
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Posted - 2012.03.09 09:54:00 -
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In which way is the economy broken?
The only thing that needs to go is the ISK faucet galore we have these days. Inflation <> broken economy though. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
851
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Posted - 2012.03.09 09:59:00 -
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NPC corp alt in stunning new proposal that makes logical sense. News at ....
owait, no ... that's not what happened here. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
429
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Posted - 2012.03.09 10:07:00 -
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Worst excuse for removing local yet. And there have been some that were way past pants on head. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1365
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Posted - 2012.03.09 10:40:00 -
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scrap the Economy from "pseudo-science" and from dictionaries. And add some other nice fairytale ..
like three little pigs .. They are as imaginary as Economy was/is/will be. |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
400
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Posted - 2012.03.09 16:23:00 -
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Why do you think EVE's economy is broken? I think it's working just fine.
How do you think removing local will cause more killing? Remember that if you remove local you are going to have to scan every single system, all the time, just to know if there is a bunch of targets there or not.
By removing local all you are imagining is sneaking up on a hulk. For god's sake that is not what EVE is about. You people need to stop failing at PVP. Battlecruiser vs Industrial ship is not something to be proud of. Last night 6 of us went up against a gang of 5. We were at it for an hour. A couple people died. There was a hell of a lot of maneuvering, sneakiness, etc. But respect to those people because they stayed and fought. Respect to us because we stayed alive despite having less DPS. Fun was had by all.
While ganking a miner is a cheap thrill it's also a no skill kill and not something to be proud of. Quit trying to turn the sandbox into a litterbox and get some friends and some skills. |
leich
Nocturnal Romance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.09 16:59:00 -
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The issue with 0.0 is simple and it's nothing todo with local.
The issue is plex's (DED not pilot extensions). In the old days most player making isk were in the belts you jump in warp to the belt and had a good chance of pew.
Now adays every one is running plexes so they see your probes on scan months before your able to warp even with the most pro scanners.
remove plex and push players back into the belts. |
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robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
59
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Posted - 2012.03.09 17:16:00 -
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leich wrote:The issue with 0.0 is simple and it's nothing todo with local.
The issue is plex's (DED not pilot extensions). In the old days most player making isk were in the belts you jump in warp to the belt and had a good chance of pew.
Now adays every one is running plexes so they see your probes on scan months before your able to warp even with the most pro scanners.
remove plex and push players back into the belts.
The issue is not plexs...its just that you're a noob who cant find a fight....i have no problem getting fights every single day...they are there to be had if you want them...there are plenty of others out there looking for "good fights" as well who are more than happy to pew pew......its just that your version of a "good fight" is ganking some poor sap in a belt in a ratting ship.
There is nothing wrong with the economy...its a living, breathing monster.....i hate to use the meme, but....adapt or die.
Removing local is the stupidest idea ive ever heard...it will NOT result in more GF's.....instead it will only result in one sided gank fests becoming more and more prevalent and actual fairly even fights becoming rarer and rarer...only skilless plonkers would even consider removing local as a good idea. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
155
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Posted - 2012.03.09 18:44:00 -
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Eve lacks of reasons to go out in a small gang other than :goodfights: and :letswait2hoursonthegateandprayanoncloakiejumpsthrouh:
There should be moons to rob of today's production, mining ops to gank, production lines to stop, planetary colonies to rob and freighters to kill
All those goals perfectly achievable by groups of 5-50 players in ops of 1-3 hours |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
401
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Posted - 2012.03.09 19:52:00 -
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leich wrote: so they see your probes on scan months before your able to warp even with the most pro scanners.
remove plex and push players back into the belts.
I guess you haven't been to nullsec recently. You don't need any probes to find the anoms everyone is ratting in. Just hit the analyze button and you can see everything so long as you are not in a pod.
So no. |
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