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Flynn Tagart JinTech Industries Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.06.01 14:47:00 - [1] Hey guys, after looking at it, and comparing it with the Naglfar and her abilities I was wondering, would it be appropriate to introduce a 5th high slot to the phoenix (Caldari Dreadnought) to enable the use of the turret? The ship looks weird without a railgun on the platforms. and i really don't understand why the phoenix has the ability to fit a railgun, and not give it any sort of boost to make it a ethical decision to place a railgun on the ship so why does the Naglfar get 2 turrets and 2 missiles with a siege module and the phoenix only get 4 high slots to support only a 3rd of the weapons with the siege module.. what is so great about it now that it doesn't allow the turret? /me makes petition to get the phoenix a 5th high slot to use the 4th weapon with a siege module =D "my roflcar goez nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn"
Flynn Tagart JinTech Industries Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.06.01 14:47:00 - [2] Hey guys, after looking at it, and comparing it with the Naglfar and her abilities I was wondering, would it be appropriate to introduce a 5th high slot to the phoenix (Caldari Dreadnought) to enable the use of the turret? The ship looks weird without a railgun on the platforms. and i really don't understand why the phoenix has the ability to fit a railgun, and not give it any sort of boost to make it a ethical decision to place a railgun on the ship so why does the Naglfar get 2 turrets and 2 missiles with a siege module and the phoenix only get 4 high slots to support only a 3rd of the weapons with the siege module.. what is so great about it now that it doesn't allow the turret? /me makes petition to get the phoenix a 5th high slot to use the 4th weapon with a siege module =D "my roflcar goez nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn"
Enden Assulu Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.06.01 15:21:00 - [3] Looking at the Pheonix i see no reason why it has that turret hard-point at all, but buffing the Pheonix would unfortunately put it out of balance with all other dreads so all dread would have to be buffed. I think going on the Pheonix's awesome DPV (about 80k with kinetic torps) the rail gun is completely useless. Also the naglfail is horrible to train for due to the dual weapons the Pheonix is good as it is atm and imo the dreads are pretty well balanced. /me is no EFT warrior * * * M3h Skillz
Theel Maas Errant Legion	Posted - 2008.06.01 19:59:00 - [4] solution: remove turret hardpoint from phoenix.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.06.02 06:44:00 - [5] well If you were going into combat and you were planing on NOT going into siegh mode, AKA ganking some battleships or something. Then having the rail makes it deal more dps than the other dreads (minus the mini-carrier of doom) it's a dumb reason but it's factual.
Flynn Tagart JinTech Industries Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.06.02 14:32:00 - [6] Edited by: Flynn Tagart on 02/06/2008 14:32:48 you dont use a 2 billion isk ship to gank a 100M battleship... and a Moros seems to do just fine at ganking a battleship in siege mode, that is too say without drones.. "my roflcar goez nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn"
Nariana Verex Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.06.03 18:49:00 - [7] I wish the Caldari had a Railgun based dreadnought, period. None of this dual weapon system crap [Like, oh, the Merlin]. Just get rid of the turret hardpoint on the Phoenix, I can't think of anyone who uses it anyway. Do the right thing. Don't leave shuttles in space.
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co.	Posted - 2008.06.03 20:34:00 - [8] Edited by: Thorek Ironbrow on 03/06/2008 20:35:18 Tier 2 Dreadnoughts would be awesome, especially for Caldari and Minmatar. I'd say leave the Phoenix as it is (but remove the rail point). Tier 2 Caldari Dreadnought. Name: "Bennu" (the Egyptian correspondance to the Phoenix) or "Thunderbird" 4 High Slots 3 Turret Hardpoints 10% Bonus to range. 5% Bonus to Railgun damage. Tier 2 Minmatar Dreadnought. Name: "Valhalla" 4 High Slots 3 Turret Hardpoints Bonus to Artillery damage. Dunno about tier 2 Amarr or Gallente dreads though, since they're already pretty good. Perhaps Gallente should have one that is more railgun/blaster based and no drones. Really don't know about Amarr though. But anyway, back to the point... I'm awesome :D
Wrathamon Starfury AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.06.04 12:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Enden Assulu Looking at the Pheonix i see no reason why it has that turret hard-point at all, but buffing the Pheonix would unfortunately put it out of balance with all other dreads so all dread would have to be buffed. I think going on the Pheonix's awesome DPV (about 80k with kinetic torps) the rail gun is completely useless. Also the naglfail is horrible to train for due to the dual weapons the Pheonix is good as it is atm and imo the dreads are pretty well balanced. /me is no EFT warrior While the DPV is seems high for the phoenix the time between volleys is much longer. Launchers fire at every 22 seconds versus say Beams which are around 7 seconds. If beams hit for 10k per turret that is 30k per volley, you get almost 4 volleys in the time it takes a launcher to fire another volley. Right now I believe all dreads except the Minmatar have 3 gun slots and and a high slot for siege. The Minmatar has 4 gun slots (2 launcher + 2 turret) plus a slot for siege module. The dreads are pretty balanced, why the Minmatar dread gets an extra turret I dunno.
Amastat Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.04 19:59:00 - [10] Citadel Torpedos + Target Painter + Webbed Battleship = WIN ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu

Thorradin State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.08 15:51:00 - [11] Edited by: Thorradin on 08/06/2008 15:53:15 Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow Edited by: Thorek Ironbrow on 03/06/2008 20:35:18 Tier 2 Dreadnoughts would be awesome, especially for Caldari and Minmatar. I'd say leave the Phoenix as it is (but remove the rail point). Tier 2 Caldari Dreadnought. Name: "Bennu" (the Egyptian correspondance to the Phoenix) or "Thunderbird" 4 High Slots 3 Turret Hardpoints 10% Bonus to range. 5% Bonus to Railgun damage. Tier 2 Minmatar Dreadnought. Name: "Valhalla" 4 High Slots 3 Turret Hardpoints Bonus to Artillery damage. Dunno about tier 2 Amarr or Gallente dreads though, since they're already pretty good. Perhaps Gallente should have one that is more railgun/blaster based and no drones. Really don't know about Amarr though. Tier 2 Caldari Dreadaught could be the Garuda. edit: 10% range and 5% damage/rof would be too much. You would be able to hit control towers with blasters and high damage ammo for example, and likely dwarf the other dreads at the job. Go 10% range or 5% damage, and then 5% resists, making for the standard sceme of caldari railboats.
GIGAR Astrum Contract Services Group	Posted - 2008.06.08 23:29:00 - [12] Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow Edited by: Thorek Ironbrow on 03/06/2008 20:35:18 Tier 2 Dreadnoughts would be awesome, especially for Caldari and Minmatar. I'd say leave the Phoenix as it is (but remove the rail point). Tier 2 Caldari Dreadnought. Name: "Bennu" (the Egyptian correspondance to the Phoenix) or "Thunderbird" 4 High Slots 3 Turret Hardpoints 10% Bonus to range. 5% Bonus to Railgun damage. Tier 2 Minmatar Dreadnought. Name: "Valhalla" 4 High Slots 3 Turret Hardpoints Bonus to Artillery damage. Dunno about tier 2 Amarr or Gallente dreads though, since they're already pretty good. Perhaps Gallente should have one that is more railgun/blaster based and no drones. Really don't know about Amarr though. Uh.. Training time? INSANE cost? What about T2 titans? A neat lil' 500bil isk.. oh, right. /sarcasm
Zarthanon S.A.S Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.06.11 00:49:00 - [13] Edited by: Zarthanon on 11/06/2008 00:50:11 Originally by: GIGAR Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow Edited by: Thorek Ironbrow on 03/06/2008 20:35:18 Tier 2 Dreadnoughts would be awesome, especially for Caldari and Minmatar. I'd say leave the Phoenix as it is (but remove the rail point). Tier 2 Caldari Dreadnought. Name: "Bennu" (the Egyptian correspondance to the Phoenix) or "Thunderbird" 4 High Slots 3 Turret Hardpoints 10% Bonus to range. 5% Bonus to Railgun damage. Tier 2 Minmatar Dreadnought. Name: "Valhalla" 4 High Slots 3 Turret Hardpoints Bonus to Artillery damage. Dunno about tier 2 Amarr or Gallente dreads though, since they're already pretty good. Perhaps Gallente should have one that is more railgun/blaster based and no drones. Really don't know about Amarr though. Uh.. Training time? INSANE cost? What about T2 titans? A neat lil' 500bil isk.. oh, right. /sarcasm TIER 2 m8, not TECH 2. Meaning not much higher in cost, a TINY bit more training (eg. requires lvl 3 of the skill instead of lvl 1--but who ONLY trains dread to 1?) Kinda like Tier 1 is Dominix, Tier 2 is Megathron, Tier 3 is Hyperion. Tech 2 is kinda out of the question due to what you just stated.
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co.	Posted - 2008.06.19 16:51:00 - [14] Agreed. It'd just be funny and yet sad to see someone collecting the immense amount of minerals for a Dread/Titan, then the tech 2 version, especially if it failed. But anyway, back to the point... I'm awesome :D
TheMailman GreenSwarm Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:51:00 - [15] eft warriors in action, enuff said
Shinigami Gallente Shinra	Posted - 2008.07.13 20:46:00 - [16] The phoenix has the lowest dps of all the dreads.
Jim Raynor Caldari Shinra	Posted - 2008.07.14 05:50:00 - [17] Edited by: Jim Raynor on 14/07/2008 05:50:25 Originally by: Flynn Tagart Hey guys, after looking at it, and comparing it with the Naglfar and her abilities I was wondering, would it be appropriate to introduce a 5th high slot to the phoenix (Caldari Dreadnought) to enable the use of the turret? The ship looks weird without a railgun on the platforms. and i really don't understand why the phoenix has the ability to fit a railgun, and not give it any sort of boost to make it a ethical decision to place a railgun on the ship so why does the Naglfar get 2 turrets and 2 missiles with a siege module and the phoenix only get 4 high slots to support only a 3rd of the weapons with the siege module.. what is so great about it now that it doesn't allow the turret? /me makes petition to get the phoenix a 5th high slot to use the 4th weapon with a siege module =D the phoenix gets a double missile bonus which adds 25% more dps [though kinetic only is a stupid stupid stupid bonus], it does effectively have as much dps as a naglfar. also when you fit 2-3 BCU II on a phoenix it again, adds dps to all its weapons, which means, tbh a 5th high slot is not needed. why does the phoenix have a turret hardpoint? I have no idea. its worthless. i do think citadels do need boosted so they dont get smart bombed so easily and hit targets faster, but thats a different story i guess. ------ I'll make a sig later.
Chi Quan Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.16 18:39:00 - [18] the dread is fine, the citadel torps need looking into ---- You don't have to like it - I don't blame you for not liking it.
Tzujeih GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.17 20:30:00 - [19] Just buff citadel torpedo damage and speed imo. Better than changing a bunch of other shit to compensate for low dps.
Adaera	Posted - 2008.07.17 23:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Tzujeih Just buff citadel torpedo damage and speed imo. Better than changing a bunch of other shit to compensate for low dps. What about HP as well? One of the other big concerns I see coming up a lot with the Phoenix is the fact it's easy to just smartbomb citadel torps

Tzujeih GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.18 01:28:00 - [21] Yeah and about as much HP as a battleship for good measure.
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.07.20 03:11:00 - [22] The pheonix is fine. . .citadel torps are not. Fix the wepon, not the ship ---- GO BLUE!!


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