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Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 02:11:00 - [1] Goonswarm has had a lot of success of late so I have been gleaning bits and pieces of information on how this is possible. I also bought some information from a Goon logistics person and a person who fuels their POS, so take it for what its worth. 1. Goons have been modernizing. After the loss of the RA Titan because of a total failure of Goon support, they have been working to upgrade their forces. They have largely overcome recent losses of players by heavily recruiting new players with a focus on PvP and slaves for running their logistics. They seem to have completed their logistics train and actually have an increasingly effective system. They have instituted better PvP practices. The days of comedy ops in critical situations are over. 2. Their leadership has been slow, but they have improved under Darius. In part this may be due to absorbing many former RA, players who have needed to join a more casual corp. They have greatly strengthened Goons. Goons are making a concerted effort to make sure their FC's are up to the task. They still rely heavily on RA, Solar Fleet, AAA and others for cap fleet operations, but the day is coming soon when they will be able to stand on their own. As much as some may scoff at this, Goons will one day surpass RA in their capabilities. Not necessarily in skill, but in raw military power. 3. How Goons fit in with their allies. Goons rely on cap support from RA/Solar. That cap support however is top notch and highly integrated into the larger Goon fleet structure. I might go as far to say that without Goons, the RA fleet is much like MC, it is cap ship heavy without follow on support. RA, Solar, AAA do not have the ground forces to bring to a long drawn out fight over multiple time zones, Goons bring that to the table. Being a modernized force I expect them to be that much more effective. 4. Goons have a huge back end operation, with many hundreds of slaves to fuel POS, rat for minerals and do other operations that give front line troops an inexhaustable supply of materials. These people must enjoy it, I don't know where they find them. 5. On a map, Solar Fleet, RA, AAA may appear separate from Goons. In practice they are all work together as one unit with Goons providing the critical follow on force to operations. Summary: This is not the Goonswarm that invaded BoB. Goonswarm is stronger now than they have ever been and they are on the prowl. Combined with RA, AAA, and Solar, they have the potential to sweep the drone regions and the greater Deklein area, bringing a presence to all of 0.0. In this case, Goons are actually the stronger force as they actually have the manpower to make it happen. Ironically, I would rate them above Solar Fleet in terms of their military accomplishments at this point. People mock Goons for not accomplishing things on their own. That list of people is getting shorter and shorter as they are all killed off. This is the new and improved Goonswarm. A lot of people better adjust or die. And as for Smashkill and Atlas, they have the potential to hang in there, but it will be close. If they want to survive they will have to fight with everything they have, and I mean everything. Other alliance not concerned by Goon capabilities will be dead in the next 6 months. I don't see a counter balance to this as BoB is solidifying their position and MM/Razor/Pure/Iron don't have the ability or the will to take on this force directly and will probably set them blue. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 02:20:00 - [2] Originally by: Captain Sedai You got scammed Information from Goons is cheap. By the way, I didn't believe it either until I started seeing Goons in jump freighters. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 02:21:00 - [3] Originally by: Vladimir Antlerkov Originally by: Innominate Is this satire? It had me until the bit about RA/SF not having the ground forces/manpower for a drawn-out campaign. Solar Fleet had hit a brick wall and was cherry picking systems until Goons showed up. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 02:25:00 - [4] Originally by: Val Streth 1. Buttes 2. Donges 3. Buttes 4. Donges 5. Buttes Don't you have a station named that? Just curious, the person I spoke with mentioned a massive fleet of frigs in that system all labeled "bomb". Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 02:30:00 - [5] Nothing makes a Goon angrier than saying something nice about them. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 02:31:00 - [6] Originally by: Dramaticus i just bought my first t2 ship the other day, a bustard. Proof! A T2 Goon! Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 02:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Prontifex You actually paid somebody for all this drivel? I also read CAOD. I guess I have some issues I need to work out. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 02:34:00 - [8] Originally by: GeneticWeapon Originally by: Re Mi Nothing makes a Goon angrier than saying something nice about them. Most of your writing was based on misinformation, that's all. Just curious, is Free Trade Zone a Goon front? Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 02:37:00 - [9] Originally by: EdFromHumanResources Wow I really want to know who sold you this information. Thats some Grade A++ scamming right there. The man deserves a medal or somdething. Do people actually believe this stuff? I could be making billions if so. More like 10 million. Goons are cheap, especially if you find someone who is broke, which isn't hard. Thats not all you can buy. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 02:40:00 - [10] Originally by: WrathOfOprah I'm a slave for you. (Here we go now) I cannot hold it; I cannot control it. I'm a slave for you. (Here we go) I won't deny it, (Yeah) I'm not trying to hide it. Just curious, if you are so pro slave, why do you do your sovereignty tower business almost exclusively with Minmatar? They are anti slave. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 02:55:00 - [11] Originally by: UnsignedInt You mean t1 Noobswarm right? HAHAHAHA SEE WHAT I DID THERE? Thats not funny enough for a "hahahaha". Maybe a "haha" or a "heh". Please try harder next time. You are a Goon, you are supposed to have standards. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 03:00:00 - [12] Originally by: Casdus Just because we pay them in candy doesn't make them slaves. We offered them ISK but 5 year olds are stupid. A little Gem I saved, I usually toss chat logs, but this was worth saving. Quote: <Goon in raven ratting> I wish I had enough isk to use my pvp character. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 03:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Carl Spackler Originally by: Re Mi Originally by: Carl Spackler yo if you are ever looking for more goonswarm info, let me know, i'll sell you some really cheap How much for POS passwords? look me up ig, we can work something out If I pay you will you kill another Goon? Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 03:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Marius Duvall Originally by: Re Mi You are a Goon, you are supposed to have standards. I don't think you 'get' goons. Thats more like it. I endorse this quote/maxim. It is concise and efficient. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 03:39:00 - [15] Originally by: Tzujeih Originally by: Re Mi Originally by: UnsignedInt You mean t1 Noobswarm right? HAHAHAHA SEE WHAT I DID THERE? Thats not funny enough for a "hahahaha". Maybe a "haha" or a "heh". Please try harder next time. You are a Goon, you are supposed to have standards. Hey baby.. all these politics.. we exhaust so much of our time and its so stressful. Whad'ya say we just put all that hurf durf aside tonight, and enjoy ourselves. I'll bring a bottle of that white wine that you like, you pick a movie. I have no interest in seeing Battlefield Earth again. It was a horrible movie. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 03:50:00 - [16] Originally by: Hrin I may get in trouble for saying this, but my corp, Merch Industrial was approached by goonswarm a year ago to build a strong industrial center for the swarm. That we have done and now supply the majority of minerals and pos fuel for the goons. The agreement has been lucrative for us both and we now do invention on a corporate scale, often able to undercut Jita prices with our easy access to moon minerals. We've had to increase our production quite a bit as goon characters have aged. The amount of war materials and raw minerals that we move to front line bases is staggering. Despite what others may tell you, many killmails are not posted and many goon ships have to be replaced daily. Much of what Re Mi says is correct and I'm very surprised that he was able to get such accurate data. Thank god, a Goon with enough sense to agree with everything I say. So is Free Trade Zone a Goon front? Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 03:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Hrin Edited by: Hrin on 02/06/2008 03:52:57 I don't know what you mean by that. it was real in the sense that they tried to rent out space, but it turns out goons get along quite poorly with others. What you don't know is that many of those FDZ corps were extensions of the GIA, with agents in influential positions. Some were even created by the GIA. The point was to implode the corps eventually and steal everything they could. This worked remarkably well. Notice how many of those corps still exist. The only problem was that the plan couldn't go on long enough. I thought the point was also to get people into other alliances space and set up relationships which could be exploited later. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 04:19:00 - [18] Originally by: Hrin Thats why there are constant newbie drives, to constantly replace the low class goons. I could see that 6 months ago, but I think GS is retaining more high end players who are pure pvpers who would have gone elsewhere, and also that some people are coming back into GS to be pvpers. I don't have access to your FC's, but it seems to me you have made some quality improvements, especially in planning ops and the kinds of ships you bring and how they are used. I also think they are what is giving your force their backbone and leadership below FC level. All of this matches with the spike in alliance size. The ops against Smashkill/Atlas look like on the job training in some ways as well. There is no denying it, GS fleet ops have improved. I am dealing with an incomplete picture as to why, but the results speak for themselves. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 04:20:00 - [19] Edited by: Re Mi on 02/06/2008 04:20:21 Originally by: JenDen let me guess, you are now sitting in a office, feeling lazy and bored to hell; so you create interesting assumptions and discuss then with people, amiright? I am doing my laundry, you aren't that far off. edit, but my motives go beyond that. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation*
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 04:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Aaron Static Originally by: Re Mi Goonswarm has had a lot of success of late Here you go, I quoted the only accurate part of your 'analysis' If its so worthless why do you feel the need to deny its accuracy? Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 04:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Aaron Static lol, wut? Perhaps you would like to correct the record. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 04:51:00 - [22] Edited by: Re Mi on 02/06/2008 04:53:14 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Pretty crappy analysis really, especially every single sentence that mentioned AAA, i don't remember a joint op involving capitals between the two in the last 6 months.. The rest of your crap about how goons fit in with their allies is just that, Solar Fleet, RA, AAA and goons all have seperate agendas and operations, i'm not sure RA and goons have even had a joint op of any relevance since NOL. There's some small overlap of agendas with Solar Fleet now in north/drone regions, but i goons are working with tcf while the russians work with everyone else, goons are using their own capitals. Oort's titan dying wasn't a goon support failure, CCP, lag, Oort, RA, would all rank higher on the blame scale if you're looking for someone to point fingers at. Goons have had jump freighters pretty much since they came out btw, and their excellent logistics are nothing new. Also those northern alliances you mentioned already have goons blue, and have for quite a long time. Sweet, TT is in my thread. My work here is done. They are the same force. AAA has not needed Goons as of late. But if they ever do, all they need to do is ask. I would agree that AAA has a mind of their own, but they are also cohorts and comrades with GS. All for one, one for all. Therefore as a practical matter you can't separate them. edit" "Stop post" or what? I will make an idiot of myself in an internet spaceship game. Where was that "hahahaha" guy, his services are needed. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation*
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 04:59:00 - [23] Edited by: Re Mi on 02/06/2008 05:03:24 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Yes they're friends, but since they never work together I don't see how you can claim goons rely on them for anything, let alone capital fleets. if AAA needed help with something they'd ask RA first, RA might bring goons into it, but I doubt it and I don't think goon/AAA relations are as good as you seem to think, it certainly wasn't good enough to get AAA to help in Delve or Querious also, getting me into a thread is not difficult but congrats anyway There you go, my point is made. The one will rise to assist the other. edit I also agree they have separate agendas, but a common military strategy. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation*
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 05:04:00 - [24] Originally by: mynnna Did you, uh, actually read anything he said in that post? No Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 05:26:00 - [25] Originally by: mynnna Edited by: mynnna on 02/06/2008 05:06:00 Originally by: Re Mi Originally by: mynnna Did you, uh, actually read anything he said in that post? No No, no, I imagine you did, and what you saw was Quote: if AAA needed help with something they'd ask [...] goons, [...] and I [...] think goon/AAA relations are as good as you seem to think, [...] The way I view the map is that RA, Goons, PL and AAA have a mutually beneficial position. They are so interlocked, that none of them could attack another. They are integrated. As they spread, they leap frog territory. Its a bit like trying to separate Death from Solar Fleet from U RA from RA from GS, from PL, from TCF. You can't, they flow together. AAA differs a bit as they have a distinct border, but they are locked in and secure by RA and in turn by GS. If BoB were to attack AAA, they would face the entire coalition. AAA is not a trained chimp who dances for them, but they are aligned. I do not doubt that for a second. I also do not doubt they have rock solid support if they need it. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 05:28:00 - [26] Originally by: Captain Sedai America would rise to assist England. Therefore America and England are one entity Nato treaty says so. Invoked and used in Afghanistan. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 05:33:00 - [27] Originally by: Captain Sedai Originally by: Re Mi Originally by: Captain Sedai America would rise to assist England. Therefore America and England are one entity Nato treaty says so. Invoked and used in Afghanistan. It was just an analogy The first to reason by analogy was the Devil. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 05:55:00 - [28] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk "Its a bit like trying to separate Death from Solar Fleet from U RA from RA from GS, from PL, from TCF" Not really, AAA's leadership is russian and shares common origins with most of the other russian leaders, but they're definitely not the same entity, politically or militarily (SP?) They work together occasionally and share some common enemies and allies, nothing coming even remotely close to the level of NATO, they don't have mutual defence pacts, and while it's very likely that RA would help them if asked, well i've already covered this ;d goons might or might not. They respect goonswarm and that's probably the only reason they kept them blue in their last reset, it doesn't mean either alliance would jump at a chance to help each other, especially considering they haven't in the past when asked to. Death and Solar Fleet live in same area and work together, close allies, sure. U RA = irrelevant pet alliance innit? RA and GS are tight PL just want BoB to die, they're not really tight with anyone, so quite separate from the rest, not blue to AAA. TCF and AAA are hostile to each other.. SF and RA parting was on quite bad terms, not sure if they've kissed and made up since, but i'm sure there's still hard feelings. The map is the map. There are no cohesive borders for the most part, its an integrated map. Partly the result of past wars, but partly because they let it stay that way. Alliance territory looks nothing like a defensible posture in the South. Not sure how else you explain it other than it is allowed to remain that way. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 05:58:00 - [29] Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram Originally by: Re Mi The first to reason by analogy was the Devil. Why are you trying so hard? You don't see what's going on? Everyone is afraid of GS to kick the crepes out of you when you fall out of line. They are the most powerful entity in this game for a reason. All that power and they can't stop a lone person from posting on CAOD. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 06:08:00 - [30] If its a spamarama you are planning, I can always make a new thread. I can't be stopped. Some people say I am not human, I am a series of tubes actually. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 17:29:00 - [31] Say no to ZOR! I prefer Zardoz, Krom or even Dar. I have heard of this ZOR, he is a close associate of OBL. If you are going to be a bunch of terrorists you need to work on your style. I am offended that Darius Johnson supports the enemies of freedom. It is barely even entertaining, it is my right as a consumer to be entertained. What will the children read on CAOD if all there are are ***posts? No one thinks about the children. Also, Goons are against both puppies and kittens. Its true. Also, the general impression I got was that Goons thought this thread was a total waste of time. On the other hand they are flaming it like crazy. Something I am saying must have traction or they wouldn't be doing this. I repeat my message. People who call Goons a worthless alliance without skills or abilities will die. They are improving every day. If you underestimate Goons, there is a good chance you will be dead. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation*
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 17:34:00 - [32] Originally by: Gence Hal it's u u are already dead I keep coming back. My zombie posts cannot be stopped. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.02 20:42:00 - [33] Originally by: Venomire Originally by: CCP Mitnal Cleaned Please note zOr chains are considered spam, the posts will be deleted and warnings may be issued. Since I z0r chained, and not zOr chained, can I be unbanned? tia. This has inspired me to write a poem. Your Big Fat Titan A Poem by Re Mi Your Titan is way too big. It matches your sig. But oh, your Minmatar tower. It is small. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.03 06:04:00 - [34] Originally by: Professor Leech Re Mi you're a far worse poster than I ever could have imagined. You also seem to believe goons are organised. :Voytek: Ah, a constructive and fact filled post. You are adding tremendous value to this thread. Thank you very much for that Professor. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation

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