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KellyTash
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Posted - 2008.06.02 10:13:00 -
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When ever someone speak about Krall Amarr there just seems to be hate. And the first hour of Krall Amarr being on auction everyone smacked the character.
Can someone provide some insight on what the original owner of Krall did? I heared it was somthing to do with MC
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.02 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 02/06/2008 10:28:41
I personally do not know the guy well, in terms of talking and working with the guy much - but I was for a short time in Fallen Souls, when the guy achieved his most epic failure at leadership and being a war leader to date.
Fallen Souls, under his leadership, protection, and command, lost all of their territory spread across Deklein and Branch in a mere 3-4 days. They literally went from quiet, holding 50+ systems, to nothing. I was there when it happened, it was one of the biggest fails of 0.0 warfare I have ever seen. It was almost as if he pretty much handed the regions over to Nothern Coalition forces on a silver platter - but he was in reality incredibly oblivious and stupid. ? Or maybe he did intentionally - that would explain the hate. I never looked into that.
Me and some others were leaving anyways, but I along with many others were in disbelief about how irresponsible and stupid the guy was. After me and others left, apparently the few loyalist under him fled to their remaining space in Pure Blind, and they ended up losing all of that completely in just a few weeks. The remaining few merged into Youwhat, and Youwhat gave him a Director role as a part of the merger deal. It was not shortly after, there were "complications", and Krall was kicked and/or left and joined Mercenary Coalition. Weither or not he played a role in Youwhat being destroyed, I am not sure - I don't know anything about that part of Youwhat's history.
What the guy is doing today - not sure - I think he attempted to get back into alliance stuff, but not sure which one he has cursed this time though.
As to why people would "hate" him - I don't know, he just did really incredibly stupid and irresponsible stuff that I personally witnessed, and proved to everyone he was a poor leader and was oblivious to his environment and completely unfit to lead anyone into battle.
It was a joke, how much ease, it took for Triumverate and friends to *****Fallen Souls - all under Krall's care. This really says nothing more then the guy is a idiot however - I have some recollection on TS about him being very high on himself and overconfident when he is in reality completely oblivious when it came to leadership and Fleet Command - but that's nothing I would use to hate the guy for; the guy is nothing more then a laughing-stock to me, not a target to pour hate on.
My theory is that maybe some people hate him because they followed him for a while and he did nothing but read inspirational speeches and say he was capable, but instead lead everyone into tragedy - that's my best guess; I wasn't involved with the guy for long, so I can't really say much beyond him and Fallen Souls, however I am glad I didn't work with him longer than that.
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2008.06.02 10:28:00 -
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My main was once in an alliance that krall amarr took over after the original leader had egoistically fu##ed off and left us sitting there. The alliance went down the drain from there... That, in combination with certain "very professional" CAOD-posts made me leave the alliance and now makes me lol when i hear kralls name. 
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.02 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 02/06/2008 10:30:20
 Originally by: Melor Rend
My main was once in an alliance that krall amarr took over after the original leader had egoistically fu##ed off and left us sitting there. The alliance went down the drain from there... That, in combination with certain "very professional" CAOD-posts made me leave the alliance and now makes me lol when i hear kralls name.
Was this Fallen Souls or something else? And yea, it kinda makes people go, "ugh", when his name is uttered.
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edtheshed
Most Wanted INC
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.06.02 11:31:00 -
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yea i was in youwhat when he joined, he was fail. and his english sucks.
so funny that thread about scamming him when he thought he was gettin recruited to bob!
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Ulviirala Vauryndar
Cohortes Stellaris
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Posted - 2008.06.02 11:37:00 -
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IMHO he's a real hothead, a little dictator constantly shouting at people to drive them by force. Also, his grammar sucks. Additionally, I don't think he has been scammed by MC, he scammed himself in a very odd way. He'd do good as a stand-up comedian, I bet MC was laughing their asses off 
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.02 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 02/06/2008 11:42:43
Yea, I do recall him sounding like a little Super Mario, but super ******** 
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For those wondering he's Italian or something - he defiantly has the accent but not sure if he's specially in Italy.
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.02 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: edtheshed
yea i was in youwhat when he joined, he was fail. and his english sucks.
so funny that thread about scamming him when he thought he was gettin recruited to bob!
GOD that is EPIC. Scammed him into thinking BoB would take him?
Holy crap, I bet goons were ****ed too. If Krall joined and "helped" BoB, Goons would own the galaxy right now.
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2008.06.02 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Amastat
Was this Fallen Souls or something else? And yea, it kinda makes people go, "ugh", when his name is uttered.
Yeah it was Fallen Souls... and after that I think he made a new alliance somewhere in Placid or something but I had left long before that.
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.02 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 02/06/2008 12:07:32
Edited by: Amastat on 02/06/2008 12:05:55
Originally by: Melor Rend
Originally by: Amastat
Was this Fallen Souls or something else? And yea, it kinda makes people go, "ugh", when his name is uttered.
Yeah it was Fallen Souls... and after that I think he made a new alliance somewhere in Placid or something but I had left long before that.
Fallen Souls - biggest waste of a corporation application in my life.
I knew he made some sort of new alliance, or joined one, or something - however I didn't know where. Placid huh - wonder how long that will last
Kinda a bad idea to make a alliance after such epic failures, he's pretending nothing happened. It would probably be in his best interest to try to not be a leader for once, and act more humble - and try to contribute and keep a low profile until he gains some respect from the rest of the community - or at least the community that knows about his historical & epic failures.
Until then - I don't think he's going to ever be able to forge a working alliance. He has proven what kind of leader he is, and competent players will stay away from him - so that means his alliance would have to be forged from oblivious players.
Oblivious Leader + Oblivious Members = FAIL of the Century.
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Jmanis Catharg
Stickler inc
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Posted - 2008.06.02 12:06:00 -
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My corp first joined Fallen Souls about two years ago. When they had ****ty reasons and sweeping-under-the-carpetness when my Battleship (first in our infant corp) got toasted by blues, I had an utter bar of it. Eventually my corp left and operated solo for a while, then got wind of an Alliance, led by the same blokes, was forming elsewhere my guess is it must've been Placid etc.. Thank god I was a director by that stage and strongly opposed it. Eventually I left the corp for solo-dom and what was left was smart enough to go join SMASH/RK.
Fallen Souls was a hunk of crap in my limited experience, and I never knew it's leadership.
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Mangala Solaris
Ma'adim Logistics
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Posted - 2008.06.02 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Amastat
Originally by: edtheshed
yea i was in youwhat when he joined, he was fail. and his english sucks.
so funny that thread about scamming him when he thought he was gettin recruited to bob!
GOD that is EPIC. Scammed him into thinking BoB would take him?
Holy crap, I bet goons were ****ed too. If Krall joined and "helped" BoB, Goons would own the galaxy right now.
Was a TCF member and a BOB member that scammed him. I think the thread can still be found via EVE-Search.
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.02 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jmanis Catharg
My corp first joined Fallen Souls about two years ago. When they had ****ty reasons and sweeping-under-the-carpetness when my Battleship (first in our infant corp) got toasted by blues, I had an utter bar of it. Eventually my corp left and operated solo for a while, then got wind of an Alliance, led by the same blokes, was forming elsewhere my guess is it must've been Placid etc.. Thank god I was a director by that stage and strongly opposed it. Eventually I left the corp for solo-dom and what was left was smart enough to go join SMASH/RK.
Fallen Souls was a hunk of crap in my limited experience, and I never knew it's leadership.
I was only there half a year ago, not two years ago - but I do remember that the combat experience of the alliance members, the amount of carebears, was badly out of proportion to be a working allinace - surprise they lasted as long as they did, I imagine it was only because they were a BoB pet they lived that long.
Even though Krall Amarr was completely absent when NC was invading their space, there was no FC's present at all. The pilots had a very simple understanding ov PvP.
Even though the Branch/Deklein pipe, which most of FS resided in, was easy to defend due to limited and predictable pipes - they were completely butchered. You were lucky to get out if you did, some people were trapped in with all their assets because of a Pincher attack from bother sides. Like I said - it's a surprise they lived this long.
But as I was saying, we didn't have enough experienced PvP'ers - mostly carebears. We had no FC's, and Krall Amarr wasn't even around for half of the invasion - he only popped his head in the last 2 days of the attack, when half of the space was already taken. I believe he lead like 2-3 fleets into a battle - all of them were completely whiped out - I believe it was like 80-90% of Krall's fleets were destroyed, however none of them were able to go much over 50-man fleet.
All in all: poor experience, most pilots were unable or unwilling to fight, no leadership.
I even participated and lost some ships - however on the last two days I didn't bother anymore since I was basically burning money for the idiot. A lot of other people did the same thing, so in terms of pilots unwilling to fight - they had very good reason.
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.05 13:23:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 05/06/2008 13:23:30
I just read this, didn't even know that. Holy crap - totally epic. I knew Krall was not liked, but I didn't think they was disliked THIS much.
Would anyone know the exact story as to the series of events that lead to Kralls own alliance mates blowing up his Titan? Did this have to do with when he was tricked into thinking BoB would let him join as a joke against him?
I also wonder how he even acquired a titan, who in their right mind would fund one for him?
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4IROW
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.06.05 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Amastat
Edited by: Amastat on 05/06/2008 13:23:30
I just read this, didn't even know that. Holy crap - totally epic. I knew Krall was not liked, but I didn't think they was disliked THIS much.
Would anyone know the exact story as to the series of events that lead to Kralls own alliance mates blowing up his Titan? Did this have to do with when he was tricked into thinking BoB would let him join as a joke against him?
I also wonder how he even acquired a titan, who in their right mind would fund one for him?
the whole story was posted in that thread but unfortunately was deleted by mods...
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=760370
I think the titan was not destroyed rather the job just cancelled. After BoB started to attack MC, Krall was 'invited' to join BoB, so he could safe his titan. He gave BoB passwords and other infos, transfered money and even contracted his titan fitting (officer mods etc.)
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Mangala Solaris
Ma'adim Logistics
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Posted - 2008.06.05 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: 4IROW
Originally by: Amastat
Edited by: Amastat on 05/06/2008 13:23:30
I just read this, didn't even know that. Holy crap - totally epic. I knew Krall was not liked, but I didn't think they was disliked THIS much.
Would anyone know the exact story as to the series of events that lead to Kralls own alliance mates blowing up his Titan? Did this have to do with when he was tricked into thinking BoB would let him join as a joke against him?
I also wonder how he even acquired a titan, who in their right mind would fund one for him?
the whole story was posted in that thread but unfortunately was deleted by mods...
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=760370
I think the titan was not destroyed rather the job just cancelled. After BoB started to attack MC, Krall was 'invited' to join BoB, so he could safe his titan. He gave BoB passwords and other infos, transfered money and even contracted his titan fitting (officer mods etc.)
Yeah, the build job was terminated, a few days prior to its completion, rather than the build going through and them nuking it right after launch.
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.05 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 05/06/2008 18:38:28
Well I recently learned that apparently Krall Amarr is under new ownership *surprise!* I'm guessing he left, or has he just gone under a new identity? :P
Don't know when he sold it, but apparently he sold it to someone from the UK - and is now being sold AGAIN. There is a auction for the account now, and it's still in effect.
There is a high SP account, which can fly a Titan for sure - however the reputation of the name is not a very good one... would 20 billion be a bit low for that kinda SP would you say?
Wither or not Krall really did sell his account and some guy from the UK is in fact the new owner, I can not confirm, but he said that Chribba could verify so I am guessing it must be legit.
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Shigsy
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.05 18:38:00 -
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WTS: Krall Amarr corpse, its fresh
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Sgt Napalm
Synergy Evolved
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.05 18:39:00 -
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Why not?
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.05 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Shigsy
WTS: Krall Amarr corpse, its fresh
Forgot the fella who runs the EVE Graveyard POS - but I bet he'll take it off your hands for a good bit of ISK 
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SniperWo1f
Omega Enterprises
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.06.05 23:59:00 -
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i only had two dealings with krall one titan sale fiasco , and one demand for blue so he could evacuate from the north . the titan sale was soeone else's baby so i wont comment . but when talking with someone to try and get standings for an evac it best not to open with "rzr and mm gave us a temp blue so you have to too" .
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