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Orion Yoda	Posted - 2004.05.07 07:05:00 - [1] I hear that CFS alliance members will only engage pirates and pirate corps. In that case is it safe to go into CFS space to do a bit of NPC pirate hunting? As safe as safe can be in eve anyway. You say you are lying. But if everything you say is a lie, then you are telling the truth. You cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie. You lie, you tell the truth ... but you cannot, for you lie.-- Norman the android, "I, Mudd", stardate 4513.3
Loka	Posted - 2004.05.07 07:16:00 - [2] Originally by: Orion Yoda I hear that CFS alliance members will only engage pirates and pirate corps. In that case is it safe to go into CFS space to do a bit of NPC pirate hunting? As safe as safe can be in eve anyway. You heared right. We are lawfull and engaging only ppl we think they are pirates, they are KOS for CFS or their corps and of course our Enemys we are fighting atm. You wont be instaganked by CFS like the other Alliance will do, but we cant and wont insure you that you will be safe in our space. We are at war with several corps/alliances in CFS space. If you got killed by CA that wouldnt be our problem. And scout A2 into a Shuttle, sometimes its occupied by pirates which instagank you. _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Fret	Posted - 2004.05.07 07:39:00 - [3] Basically what Loka is saying... They cannot hold their "own" space, keep good PR, cannot guarantee their OWN safety, so they definately cannot guarantee yours. CFS also does not mind non CFS to enter their space and take their spawns and ore because in reality...they cannot do anything about it. So what they DO do instead is pass it off like a 'good' thing and compare it to other alliances and how CFS is so nice they "let" others enter their space... uh huh... Fret "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Roy Faulker	Posted - 2004.05.07 07:55:00 - [4] The CFS's Navy sucks and barely controls it's space. They try and engage pirates but remain pitifully unable to do so. ================================ Roy Faulker CEO InterPlanetary Defense Network ================================ Caldari Nationalist Death to the Gallente! Vince Aut Morire
Fret	Posted - 2004.05.07 08:08:00 - [5] That's what I said, I'm just a little more polite about it :) Fret "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Roy Faulker	Posted - 2004.05.07 08:13:00 - [6] Originally by: Fret That's what I said, I'm just a little more polite about it :) Fret Opps, think you posted while I was writing mine. Good point though. CFS sucks!!! CFS DIE DIE DIE DIE!!! ================================ Roy Faulker CEO InterPlanetary Defense Network ================================ Caldari Nationalist Death to the Gallente! Vince Aut Morire
Fret	Posted - 2004.05.07 08:16:00 - [7] Once again...very blunt :) Fret "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Synapse Archae	Posted - 2004.05.07 08:43:00 - [8] You guys are both full of crap. CFS kills pirates trying to run around in its space daily. There have been times when the enemy is too big, take m0o for example, btu that doesnt make CFS toothless. No alliance can stand up to m0o, and its up in the air whether FA even managed to stalemate them once. CFS is not the biggest or strongest alliance, but its far from weak, and I would say at least 10 pirates a day learn that lesson the hard way trying to enter CFS space. Fret I know has made his fair share of enemies within the CFS, he's an ex-FA pilot who once expressed some interest in helping defend the CFS, but never showed up. As for Roy, the fact that I spend every day defending CFS space and I have never once heard mention of him or his corp should give you an idea of how much value his word carries. Sometimes you pay a price for choosing an alliance full of honest, good people. Part of that price is wackos like these two who get their kicks from badmouthing alliances they have never experienced, just because they think they can get away with it. --------------------------------------------- [/IMG]http://millerfam.org/eve/synapse_logo.jpg[/IMG] Everyone deserves a chance to live. My job is to make sure they get it.
Synapse Archae	Posted - 2004.05.07 08:46:00 - [9] P.S. - Yes, you heard right, CFS is one of only two (I belive) alliances who have the balls to try to keep their space open for average pilots and secure at the same time. If you want, you can come fight some NPCs or even patrol for PKs; CFS won't be dissappearing any time soon. --------------------------------------------- [/IMG]http://millerfam.org/eve/synapse_logo.jpg[/IMG] Everyone deserves a chance to live. My job is to make sure they get it.
Yamato	Posted - 2004.05.07 08:55:00 - [10] Edited by: Yamato on 07/05/2004 09:13:35 i just recently joined a corp that is a member of CFS. I see them (my corp members) actively defending CFS space against pirates and jackarses. Thats just what I see. From what I understand, their are risks in CFS space like there are in ANY 0.0 areas- pirates, wars, npcs- you just dont have to worry about CFS instaganking you unless you are a tard or a pirate. Other alliances behave much like pirates; but, think of themselves as more lofty. Right. I'm so unlucky that if I was to fall into a barrel of nipples I'd come out sucking my thumb.
vecdran	Posted - 2004.05.07 09:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Roy Faulker The CFS's Navy sucks and barely controls it's space. They try and engage pirates but remain pitifully unable to do so. Who the heck are you? I spent two weeks straight helping fight at A2 and keep it open, and not once did I see you or a member of your corporation. What the heck do you do, hide in a roid belt below 3BK or something? I have seen several days where A2 was CA free for almost an entire day. We lose it everytime because a lot of the pilots have to finally log, and THEN CA usually comes around and kicks the asses of the few pilots who stay around. Ignore him, just another bag of hot air with an inflated ego. The Civilized Civire
Sphalerite	Posted - 2004.05.07 09:50:00 - [12] He's a rat and a troll. don't feed him and he'll go away. Give him attention and he'll grow up big and strong. Don't feed the trolls.
Kunming	Posted - 2004.05.07 12:40:00 - [13] Wow, Loka never saw you post in the forums.. ever! Anyway, looks like someone is ***ed off at CFS or talking crap from lack of information! My suggestion: Fly in CFS space in an "unfriendly" way and see how long you survive... Intercepting since BETA*
Maud Dib	Posted - 2004.05.07 13:16:00 - [14] The truth is open space does not mean safe space. Closed alliances can't keep everybody out of their space and they try. In open space you are only one guy having a bad day away from your pod. Depending on anyone else for your safety is a suckers game. You are never safe.
Orion Yoda	Posted - 2004.05.07 13:28:00 - [15] Yes I know safe in eve is a relative term, but I was hoping that in CFS space I wouldn't be a target for a major alliance. Thanks for all the replies so far it's been good reading. You say you are lying. But if everything you say is a lie, then you are telling the truth. You cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie. You lie, you tell the truth ... but you cannot, for you lie.-- Norman the android, "I, Mudd", stardate 4513.3
Deloup Drakar	Posted - 2004.05.07 13:31:00 - [16] Originally by: Loka Originally by: Orion Yoda I hear that CFS alliance members will only engage pirates and pirate corps. In that case is it safe to go into CFS space to do a bit of NPC pirate hunting? As safe as safe can be in eve anyway. You heared right. We are lawfull and engaging only ppl we think they are pirates, they are KOS for CFS or their corps and of course our Enemys we are fighting atm. You wont be instaganked by CFS like the other Alliance will do, but we cant and wont insure you that you will be safe in our space. We are at war with several corps/alliances in CFS space. If you got killed by CA that wouldnt be our problem. And scout A2 into a Shuttle, sometimes its occupied by pirates which instagank you. Just make sure your not a very new character (less than a week) and in a n00b corp, since you'll be seen as a alt spy and treated as a pirate/enemy. Show up with enough time under your belt and a ship that would warrent hunting those rats out there and you'll be let thru w/o any physical reprocussions.
Orion Yoda	Posted - 2004.05.07 14:04:00 - [17] Originally by: Deloup Drakar Just make sure your not a very new character (less than a week) and in a n00b corp, since you'll be seen as a alt spy and treated as a pirate/enemy. Show up with enough time under your belt and a ship that would warrent hunting those rats out there and you'll be let thru w/o any physical reprocussions. Thanks, I started in early Feb and have grown tired of the small npc rats in empire space. You say you are lying. But if everything you say is a lie, then you are telling the truth. You cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie. You lie, you tell the truth ... but you cannot, for you lie.-- Norman the android, "I, Mudd", stardate 4513.3
Reiisha	Posted - 2004.05.07 14:17:00 - [18] It is always funny to see how people rant and flame and troll at the CFS when they have never been into that space. Oh, i can already see the replies: "WE HAVE BEEN IN YOUR SO CALLED CFS SPACE & MONTHS AGO AND YOU SUCK! KTHXBYE" I'm kinda hvaing a lot of fun reading those to be honest, they make me laugh..... Gamersland.nl, DE site voor PC gaming!
toaster	Posted - 2004.05.07 14:56:00 - [19] we (we are pirates) operate at times around 'cfs space', and I must say CFS have for the most part been good sports and nice people to fight with. This is a refreshing change compared to some other 'legit' corps, who do nothing but whine and complain exploit or whatever else any time they have been relieved of their burdensome ships. Anyway, to address the original post..CFS does not that I'm aware of engage any non-pirates. The security forces they have there generally are looking for guys like us and CA (well lately anyway). I have not seen coalition navy in quite some time, but Imperium is around quite a bit lately. Some Black Avatar as well. ------------------------------------------------
Sergunja	Posted - 2004.05.07 15:15:00 - [20] CFS CFS ... we are working on it guys =)
Fret	Posted - 2004.05.07 17:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Reiisha It is always funny to see how people rant and flame and troll at the CFS when they have never been into that space. Oh, i can already see the replies: "WE HAVE BEEN IN YOUR SO CALLED CFS SPACE & MONTHS AGO AND YOU SUCK! KTHXBYE" I'm kinda hvaing a lot of fun reading those to be honest, they make me laugh..... Don't get me wrong...CFS are nice people, but I'm just stating the truth. Yes I HAVE ventured into CFS space, but more so AROUND CFS space, I have run into plenty of problems with CFS members, hence my attitude towards this specific topic. I did not try and "flame" or "troll" this thread, I was just stating my opinion, and in a very polite manner I may say too. If you all have a problem with someone maturely stating their opinion, and can't hold back from "flaming" yourselves, you have much to learn in a social aspect of things. (That WASN'T referring to you Reiisha, it was regarding all the flames others are leaving here. No hard feelings). I have my reasons for my opinion, think what you wish, but I do have reasons, I am no "newb" and am not badmouthing others for sh*ts & giggles. Fret "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
vecdran	Posted - 2004.05.07 17:23:00 - [22] I think the majority of the heat isn't directed at you, you are quite polite and civil. Not mentioning any names, someone in this thread has an attitude problem. The Civilized Civire
Fret	Posted - 2004.05.07 17:42:00 - [23] I hope you're right. Someone here does have an attitude problem, but then again, they're probably just a little kid, so we can't take them 'that' seriously now can we? :) Fret "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Devestator	Posted - 2004.05.07 18:00:00 - [24] A2 and the "alley way" systems you have to go down through to get into deeper space are the most dangerous places. Scout first in a MWD frigate and make some insta-jump BMs. You should have no problems getting out into deeper space with BMs. A2 kills per day\hour are so high cause so many pirates are flying around in frigs and interceptors. Everybody just keeps blowing eachother up. Its alot of fun and you see the same faces pretty much everyday. Slamd is a local BB pirate that has been in that space forever. Like 5 months. Its a PVP playground really and if you ever want to get into action just head to A2. There is always CFS and CA\Pirates somewhere fighting. BTW - The pirates hunt the CA guys too but sometimes they team up together.
Jayad	Posted - 2004.05.07 18:47:00 - [25] CFS are decent people that have greeted my corporation warmly. we are not members of the alliance but we have been given rights to venture fourth, do a spot of mining, we have engaged there enemys as well. Since the "baby roid" bug was fixed many months ago, no longer is it necessary to envelop and close huge expanses of space. CFS can offord to be an open and free society.
Madcap Magician	Posted - 2004.05.07 19:52:00 - [26] Macross combat corp . . . hmmm. The last time I saw you in CFS space, you cowered and were escorted from the region by the CFSN under my command. Didn't even try to fight back. Who are the nubs? Good times will always be remembered. Sleep well, old friends.
Kenyan	Posted - 2004.05.07 20:09:00 - [27] Originally by: Maud Dib The truth is open space does not mean safe space. Closed alliances can't keep everybody out of their space and they try. In open space you are only one guy having a bad day away from your pod. Depending on anyone else for your safety is a suckers game. You are never safe. yeah i happen to agree with you there, just recently i made "friends" with the Phoenix alliance, which a lot of you know try to close their borders, which is impossible, it's not like you can shut off the stargates, so you are safe nowhere, we stayed up there for a weekend and had some fun, and the whole time they were trying to trap us, but back to what Maud Dib said, no space in 0.0 is 100% safe, yeah it's fairly safe from pirates, but none the less you still have people sneaking in, and you can end up dying, so just dont play stupid and you'll be fine
Reiisha	Posted - 2004.05.07 20:22:00 - [28] Edited by: Reiisha on 07/05/2004 20:24:15 Originally by: Fret Originally by: Reiisha It is always funny to see how people rant and flame and troll at the CFS when they have never been into that space. Oh, i can already see the replies: "WE HAVE BEEN IN YOUR SO CALLED CFS SPACE & MONTHS AGO AND YOU SUCK! KTHXBYE" I'm kinda hvaing a lot of fun reading those to be honest, they make me laugh..... Don't get me wrong...CFS are nice people, but I'm just stating the truth. Yes I HAVE ventured into CFS space, but more so AROUND CFS space, I have run into plenty of problems with CFS members, hence my attitude towards this specific topic. I did not try and "flame" or "troll" this thread, I was just stating my opinion, and in a very polite manner I may say too. If you all have a problem with someone maturely stating their opinion, and can't hold back from "flaming" yourselves, you have much to learn in a social aspect of things. (That WASN'T referring to you Reiisha, it was regarding all the flames others are leaving here. No hard feelings). I have my reasons for my opinion, think what you wish, but I do have reasons, I am no "newb" and am not badmouthing others for sh*ts & giggles. Fret Nothing against you either. I was just pointing out the attitude many people ahve towards the CFS, thinking they are nubs who only mine. The CFS has changed very much recently, though still not on par with other alliances, they can deal out punches along with their friends (like BA, OMN etc). I just made that comment because i am sick of others putting the CFS down as if they were 2 -day old characters which should be ignored at all times. The CFS is a group of very respectable people and corps, and they grow every day, in numbers and in experience. A history of being military inactive does bring negative aspects with respect to contact with other players, corps and alliances, but i suggest you go there sometime soon (euro times preferably) and check the activity of CFS members right now, instead of going into unfounded speculation which states that the CFS are a bunch of incapable miners. That simply is not true. Not anymore anyway Gamersland.nl, DE site voor PC gaming!

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