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Arianazz
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.09 17:42:00 -
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Hello there folks.
Im looking for some advice. My main is hoping to start doing some combat sites in a C4 Wh shortly. He can fly the proteus already and it seems like a solid ship for WH fun and games.
I was wondering if anyone could suggest a fitting or two and offer some advice on its use within the WH.
I will probably fit it for dps/tank as I will be working with at least one other corp member who will do the scanning down of sites. (Ofc i will keep a probe launcher handy to refit to move out or go scanning down sites if Im on my own).
I know the Tengu is the preferred WH ship of many but after the Hybrid blaster buffs, does the Proteus compete well these days. Due to the fact WH isnt fully pve or pvp I would appreciate any thoughts of my fellow pilots.
(Assuming all the core skills in gunnery to 4/5 and subsystems 5 and support skills to 4/5 as well. Budget of 1B-1.5B)
Cheers |

Murashu
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.03.09 20:10:00 -
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I have no experience using the proteus in PvE, none.
With that said, even with the hybrid change I believe you are going to waste a large amount of time chasing down every sleeper to get in range of your guns. The great thing about the Tengu is you can warp in, lock sleepers 100km away and start killing them without ever moving. The less time you spend chasing targets = more time shooting things = the faster you can do sites and be on your way. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
166
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Posted - 2012.03.09 21:00:00 -
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This guy claims to use this for C3 sites.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/57192-Proteus-SSmc-Deathfish-Olga.html
Obviously not in your budget.
Personally I have never heard of anyone using a proteus for C4 sleepers.
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Shenra Twrin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.09 21:10:00 -
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Arianazz wrote:Hello there folks.
Im looking for some advice. My main is hoping to start doing some combat sites in a C4 Wh shortly. He can fly the proteus already and it seems like a solid ship for WH fun and games.
Budget of 1B-1.5B)
Cheers
o7 Arian,
sorry to inform you thats not possible to solo c4 anymore the neut is to much for activ selfrep :/
even in tengus u can do it or lets say in tengus under 6b and something like that nobody ever fly
u can solo c3 get 1,1k Defence and be 60%+ cap stable then np ( at least in a tengu)
also you should know that if you fly solo the sleeper will web you to dead :/ so rockets are recomended then solo
sorry for bad english
c4 can be done by 2 RR Tengus with passiv fit :) |

Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.10 01:12:00 -
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Shenra Twrin wrote: c4 can be done by 2 RR Tengus with passiv fit :)
Sorry, I haven't a clue about proteus but all C4s can be soloed by a tengu. They be way quicker, obviously, with two tengu as Shenra suggests.
Some of the C4 spawns do test the tank of a MSB 6HML tengu, and if you let yourself get scrammed and neuted you may well die quickly.
I doubt that a proteus on your stated budget will manage to tank nearly as well as a tengu costing 2 - 3 times that .... so I'd hazard a guess that a proteus would not be able to solo all / most (if any) C4 sites. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |

Arianazz
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.10 09:49:00 -
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Thanks for the feedback folks.
Thats a pity but then the proteus does shine in other areas so the training wasnt wasted.
Cheers |

Shenra Twrin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.11 00:00:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote:Shenra Twrin wrote: c4 can be done by 2 RR Tengus with passiv fit :)
Sorry, I haven't a clue about proteus but all C4s can be soloed by a tengu. They be way quicker, obviously, with two tengu as Shenra suggests. Some of the C4 spawns do test the tank of a MSB 6HML tengu, and if you let yourself get scrammed and neuted you may well die quickly. I doubt that a proteus on your stated budget will manage to tank nearly as well as a tengu costing 2 - 3 times that .... so I'd hazard a guess that a proteus would not be able to solo all / most (if any) C4 sites. i call bs on this (sorry )
as long u post a vid while farming c4 site solo ! ( need to show the name of the site (then u are warp in ) + full grid so we see u dont get booster or RR) can be on sisi or somethere else ! no need old pre neut nerf vid pls must be 2012 vid |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.11 19:10:00 -
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I quit using a Proteus for sleepers when I had to spend more time in a C3 jockeying around to get a decent shot off than the time it took to kill the wave in a Tengu. And that was pre-neut buff
Although, I've no doubt that a proteus can run c3 sites you're really just hitting your head against the wall to MAKE it work. You're better off using something else.....anything else! In a C4 you're not going to have enough cap to shoot those blasters anyway. So I highly doubt it would work unless you're like many people in this game and intent on MAKING it work to your own detriment.
I've seen RR domi so you can still draw on those Gal skills but you'll need 3 - 4 pilots to make it work. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |

Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
630
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Posted - 2012.03.11 20:32:00 -
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Shenra Twrin wrote: i call bs on this (sorry )
No need to apologise. Your lack of imagination and thinking is not gonna limit or restrict my game. Those with the skills who've done this already will know ... and most who've dealt with me will already know I am not prone to BS.
Doubt i will have much difficulty sleeping at night because you're not a believing me :-) We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2012.03.12 01:08:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote:Shenra Twrin wrote: i call bs on this (sorry )
No need to apologise. Your lack of imagination and thinking is not gonna limit or restrict my game. Those with the skills who've done this already will know ... and most who've dealt with me will already know I am not prone to BS. Doubt i will have much difficulty sleeping at night because you're not a believing me :-)
I'll vouch. If Subs says it can be done, it can be done. Especially with the caveat that it isn't an optimal way to do it. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
167
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Posted - 2012.03.12 01:41:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Substantia Nigra wrote:Shenra Twrin wrote: i call bs on this (sorry )
No need to apologise. Your lack of imagination and thinking is not gonna limit or restrict my game. Those with the skills who've done this already will know ... and most who've dealt with me will already know I am not prone to BS. Doubt i will have much difficulty sleeping at night because you're not a believing me :-) I'll vouch. If Subs says it can be done, it can be done. Especially with the caveat that it isn't an optimal way to do it.
+1
Although I think it is fair to say also that when she say's "solo" she is meaning one player, not necessarily one toon. I know from other threads she has a very pimped out booster alt at the very least. |

Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
633
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Posted - 2012.03.12 03:20:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Although I think it is fair to say also that when she say's "solo" she is meaning one player, not necessarily one toon. I know from other threads she has a very pimped out booster alt at the very least.
This I tested raw-solo first. Wanted to know I could before sorting out more efficient ways of doing them.
And yes, my normal w-space ops are 'semi-solo' multibox efforts - usually two DPS toons, one prettty-darn good fleet booster, and a scout with a deep space probe always out and watching. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |

Tora Bushido
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
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Posted - 2012.03.12 11:26:00 -
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C4's can not be done solo. Use at least 2-3 spider tanked ships. RR to rep the ships, some turrets to do small dps, drones to kill em all... My resists to bad posts are 78-89-83-90 ....... The metal head plate increased it by 5%.
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Bibosikus
Inside out. The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2012.03.12 13:55:00 -
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You'll have far more fun & games in W-space using a covops-fit Proteus with buffer tank & long point against other C4/C3 farmers.
For that particular role, the Proteus is the best of all the T3's.
My optimal setup for C3 farming was a pair of Legions - one max fleet boosting with a DSP off-scan to watch for hostiles, the other with a C-Type repper which was fine for all anoms and all but the two high-end mag & radar sites where I would switch to an A-type repper.
120m an hour easy, once you're up & running the first anomaly. The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |

Shenra Twrin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.12 14:40:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote:Shenra Twrin wrote: i call bs on this (sorry )
No need to apologise. Your lack of imagination and thinking is not gonna limit or restrict my game. Those with the skills who've done this already will know ... and most who've dealt with me will already know I am not prone to BS. Doubt i will have much difficulty sleeping at night because you're not a believing me :-)
It-¦s not the lack of imagination just the aware of knowing that since the sleeper neut its impossible to ! solo farm( 1 tengu without anyhelp just 1tengu) ALL sites in c4 today.... |

Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.03.12 15:28:00 -
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ive actually managed to solo all c4 sites but 1 of the mags with a tengu. problem is taht you spend more time warping around and running like hell then fighting. but if you make some warp points in a site and make sure you warp before being scrambled its doable.......just a total **** job
as for the proteus: it cant solo a c4 and apart from the moros there arent any real good wh pve ships for the gallante |

Shenra Twrin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.12 16:17:00 -
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Hathrul wrote:ive actually managed to solo all c4 sites but 1 of the mags with a tengu. problem is taht you spend more time warping around and running like hell then fighting. but if you make some warp points in a site and make sure you warp before being scrambled its doable.......just a total **** job
as for the proteus: it cant solo a c4 and apart from the moros there arent any real good wh pve ships for the gallante
hmpf i wouldnt call that farm .....
but ok then see it from the point of its it only possible apart from isk/hr and fun then ok can accept that u can do it with 1 tengu but u cant farm it ( means a good isk/hr) in one tengu ....
thats all i wanted to say u can-¦t FARM it .
Also thanks for showing me that it is possible even its a living hell... |

Bibosikus
Inside out. The G0dfathers
44
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Posted - 2012.03.12 21:36:00 -
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It's been widely accepted for a long time that for a genuinely solo player, C3 anomalies are the best isk/hr ratio in w-space.
I have run certain C4 anomalies in a solo T2 Tengu fit, and I've no doubt that 6b fits can "run" C5 anomalies. So what? You will still earn more isk/hr in a C3.
But never with a Proteus :) The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |

WolfeReign
T.O.R. Absolute Damage Inc.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:57:00 -
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I can see C4 sites being solo'd by a tengu if you stay out of neut and web range though breaking the big RR spawn in barracks would take a while |

Arianazz
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.13 18:37:00 -
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Bibosikus wrote:You'll have far more fun & games in W-space using a covops-fit Proteus with buffer tank & long point against other C4/C3 farmers.
For that particular role, the Proteus is the best of all the T3's. .
Slightly off topic, but what sort of a loadout would you suggest for this deed? |

Bibosikus
Inside out. The G0dfathers
44
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Posted - 2012.03.13 19:10:00 -
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This is a fairly stock fit, which can be played around with:
[Proteus, Covops pvp] Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Republic Fleet 10MN MicroWarpdrive Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Stasis Webifier II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Proteus Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor
Fairly cheap to fit. The RF Disruptor gives you a 45km point. You need a good faction MWD because you need to close to blaster range asap. 520dps, 115k EHP. Pimp it to T2 rigs, faction EANM & two Ded hardeners (em & therm) and a set of LG slaves and you have a very tough buffer boat (180k+ ehp) that will make kills in W-space, not least because it can engage a C3 farmer and shrug off a good 2-3 minute's worth of Sleeper aggro at the same time. Bear in mind though that all C3 solo farmers are active-tanked, and usually in Tengus. You'll almost certainly need to fit a med neut or two to break their tanks which means gimping your dps quite a bit. It can be done though :) The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |

Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.13 19:35:00 -
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No mwd makes you any quicker than the basic tech1, they're not like Afterburners. They will however come with reduced cap use and sig bloom, but the proteus often sports the subsystem to also reduce prop mod cap use so as to allow them to be perma-run without even needing cap boosters/regen modules.
That said, a tackling proteus, especially one going after C3 fits, is going to want a web so as to not have to burn cap chasing things down and to be able to control range & transversal/tracking. I flew mine for 12-18months with scram, web, mwd for the mids. A cap booster would be nice, but you are trading a low slot which was dps/tank. Void is a poor default ammo choice against even equal-sized-class ships. One typically quotes fits with faction short-range ammo.
In w-space you also need a probe launcher, even if you're bonused for scram/point tackle range rather than scanning. Especially if you're talking about bringing shiny implants with you. FWIW 5% medium hybrids dps implant is cheap.
Lastly, ~60mil A-type passive specific hardeners are worth considering, as they'll give better resists than t2/faction hardeners before heat, and will never be off if you're neuted/capped out/haven't turned them on yet and jump into some insta-locking explosive-wielding camp. Even with 1 such mod, you might want to rig against explosive and em damage, unless you're not expecting RR or will always have ganglinks to hand, when trimarks could be better off for small fight situations. |

Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Exhale.
140
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Posted - 2012.03.13 21:00:00 -
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Daneel Trevize wrote:In w-space you also need a probe launcher, even if you're bonused for scram/point tackle range rather than scanning.
people still actually say/believe this? wow, ok... |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
168
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Posted - 2012.03.13 21:08:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Daneel Trevize wrote:In w-space you also need a probe launcher, even if you're bonused for scram/point tackle range rather than scanning. people still actually say/believe this? wow, ok...
Yea, I call it "scan alt in covert ops" |

Farang Lo
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:39:00 -
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Bibosikus wrote:This is a fairly stock fit, which can be played around with:
[Proteus, Covops pvp] Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Republic Fleet 10MN MicroWarpdrive Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Stasis Webifier II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Proteus Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor
Fairly cheap to fit. The RF Disruptor gives you a 45km point. You need a good faction MWD because you need to close to blaster range asap. 520dps, 115k EHP. Pimp it to T2 rigs, faction EANM & two Ded hardeners (em & therm) and a set of LG slaves and you have a very tough buffer boat (180k+ ehp) that will make kills in W-space, not least because it can engage a C3 farmer and shrug off a good 2-3 minute's worth of Sleeper aggro at the same time. Bear in mind though that all C3 solo farmers are active-tanked, and usually in Tengus. You'll almost certainly need to fit a med neut or two to break their tanks which means gimping your dps quite a bit. It can be done though :)
that mag stab worth almost 100m, you can buy 2 faction EAMN for more resist for the same price if you need CPU, faction MWD wont give you more speed, true story.
and you dont need probe launcher, have your corpmates slave scan for you while you km whoring |

Bibosikus
Inside out. The G0dfathers
44
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:59:00 -
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Yeah for some reason I was thinking AB when I implied MWD wld give you more speed. My bad. But a faction MWD *is* less hefty on cap.
A-Type energised resists are good, but I prefer hardeners for the overheat/GTFO option and also not everyone has armor comps at L5.
Triple trimarks are really the way to go, they add big lumps of ehp when combined with the 1600 plate.
The faction mag stab is there because you need *every ounce* of dps to bring down a Tengu farmer. They're almost always overtanked. I had 2 or sometimes 3 faction stabs on my fit.
Speaking of which - watch your prey for a bit before decloaking & pointing. If the Tengu appears to be prop-fitted (only ever an AB) then it will be nicely pimped to compensate for the loss of a midslot. If however it's sitting aligned & just lobbing kin missiles to 100km, it's probably got a tank that has to be neuted to break it.
For most of the kills we got in C3 systems, we were in small gangs of 2-3 ships plus the scout. The Prot was actually used without a long point - it would be driven straight into the Tengu to bump it while decloaking, then point & web. The rest would warp in and neut/provide more dps/ecm sleeper BS. A Proteus plus buffered neuting Domi is a very good combination 
C3 farmers are creatures of habit, and they tend to take the same anoms the same way - almost always leaving a BS till last. That is the point in time to engage, when incoming Sleeper dps is .. well.. minimal :)
Sadly, there are far fewer solo farmers in C3's than there used to be; part of the reason why I left 
Edit: And no, a probe launcher on the Proteus is for wetwipes.If you don't have a scout/scout alt around pretty much most of the time, you shouldn't be in w-space. The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |

Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.14 10:59:00 -
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The Proteus with a probe launcher is for those being aggressive and/or solo. You'd quickly find you want one if you use your tackler ship as the first scout into a new system, so you can immediately go grab something rather than have to sneak another ship into a system to have something to hand that can hold a point under any resistance. You're also able to chase things like Orcas/collapsing BSs through holes if you aren't tethered to an alt. You can still scan down K162s plenty quick enough or bring a dedicated scanner alt/corpmate/ship into a system once you've decided there's noone to kill/spook right away.
By all means continue scouting and tackling with a cheap frigate/recon. 18months, countless T3 kills and never lost the Proteus once so what do I know. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
168
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:41:00 -
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Daneel Trevize wrote:The Proteus with a probe launcher is for those being aggressive and/or solo. You'd quickly find you want one if you use your tackler ship as the first scout into a new system, so you can immediately go grab something rather than have to sneak another ship into a system to have something to hand that can hold a point under any resistance. You're also able to chase things like Orcas/collapsing BSs through holes if you aren't tethered to an alt. You can still scan down K162s plenty quick enough or bring a dedicated scanner alt/corpmate/ship into a system once you've decided there's noone to kill/spook right away.
By all means continue scouting and tackling with a cheap frigate/recon. 18months, countless T3 kills and never lost the Proteus once so what do I know.
It's not so much about losing the proteus but gimping its DPS. I lose over 100 DPS dropping a gun for a probe launcher.
Plus i usually scout ahead with a covert ops. Faster overall. And sometimes less threatening when spotted. |
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