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Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.06.05 15:25:00 - [1] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 05/06/2008 15:32:12 The optimist in me hopes that at least some of these will be sorted out with the Empyrean Age expansion. However, the realist in me knows that we've had dozens of false dawns and broken promises in the past and I have a nasty feeling that CCP will be sitting on these once again. For those of you who aren't aware of what I'm talking about, Eve has a wonderfully detailed back-story, but a lot of CCP's production values relating to that back story leave a lot to be desired. Here are some examples: In 2003, after a wonderful frigate tournament and associated events, the unsuccessful Amarrian heirs all committed suicide. Four out of the five were replaced. Four and a half years later, House Sarum still does not have an heir. Of the four heirs we do have, only three have a biography on this page. Why no biography for the Ardishapur heir? The timeline mentions that the current Emperor was selected in 22762AD. This was accurate back in 2003, but given that both that Emperor and his successor have died since then, it's now a little out of date. That same entry suggests that it was the selection Heideran VII that precipitated the Khanid seccession. However, this chronicle contradicts this, saying that Khanid rebelled against Heideran VII's predecessor. Then was have the wonderful Year 105 Overview. This was a great idea and a boon to Eve historians everywhere. But where are the overviews for years 106, 107, 108 and 109? And don't get me started with the kind of confusion amongst players that the introduction of the Khanid bloodline caused. Please, don't get me started. And last but most certainly not least, we have that story arc. The assassination of Emperor Doriam II. We're still waiting to hear for some news about the hunt for his killer nearly three years later. We still don't know what's happening amongst the Empire's leadership. Is having a major faction without a head of state for three years without explanation really conducive to having an immersive back-story? Long-term readers of my rants on this subject may recall Ginger announcing in December 2006 that there would definitely be some sort of progress on the Amarr leadership arc in 2007 and that the story-arc around it would "really rock". Well, here we are half-way through 2008 and no sign of any rocks except for what I'd like to throw at Ginger. You'll notice that these problems all relate to the Amarr. There are issues relating to the other faction's back-stories too, but there's not enough room to describe them all! There are also countless unfinished smaller event arcs from way back that were never finished. Therefore, I would like the CSM to put pressure on CCP to produce the kind of consistent and dynamic background that this game deserves, to clear up the contradictions in the back-story, and to make every effort to resolve the many unfinished story-arcs as soon as possible. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.06.05 15:25:00 - [2] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 05/06/2008 15:32:12 The optimist in me hopes that at least some of these will be sorted out with the Empyrean Age expansion. However, the realist in me knows that we've had dozens of false dawns and broken promises in the past and I have a nasty feeling that CCP will be sitting on these once again. For those of you who aren't aware of what I'm talking about, Eve has a wonderfully detailed back-story, but a lot of CCP's production values relating to that back story leave a lot to be desired. Here are some examples: In 2003, after a wonderful frigate tournament and associated events, the unsuccessful Amarrian heirs all committed suicide. Four out of the five were replaced. Four and a half years later, House Sarum still does not have an heir. Of the four heirs we do have, only three have a biography on this page. Why no biography for the Ardishapur heir? The timeline mentions that the current Emperor was selected in 22762AD. This was accurate back in 2003, but given that both that Emperor and his successor have died since then, it's now a little out of date. That same entry suggests that it was the selection Heideran VII that precipitated the Khanid seccession. However, this chronicle contradicts this, saying that Khanid rebelled against Heideran VII's predecessor. Then was have the wonderful Year 105 Overview. This was a great idea and a boon to Eve historians everywhere. But where are the overviews for years 106, 107, 108 and 109? And don't get me started with the kind of confusion amongst players that the introduction of the Khanid bloodline caused. Please, don't get me started. And last but most certainly not least, we have that story arc. The assassination of Emperor Doriam II. We're still waiting to hear for some news about the hunt for his killer nearly three years later. We still don't know what's happening amongst the Empire's leadership. Is having a major faction without a head of state for three years without explanation really conducive to having an immersive back-story? Long-term readers of my rants on this subject may recall Ginger announcing in December 2006 that there would definitely be some sort of progress on the Amarr leadership arc in 2007 and that the story-arc around it would "really rock". Well, here we are half-way through 2008 and no sign of any rocks except for what I'd like to throw at Ginger. You'll notice that these problems all relate to the Amarr. There are issues relating to the other faction's back-stories too, but there's not enough room to describe them all! There are also countless unfinished smaller event arcs from way back that were never finished. Therefore, I would like the CSM to put pressure on CCP to produce the kind of consistent and dynamic background that this game deserves, to clear up the contradictions in the back-story, and to make every effort to resolve the many unfinished story-arcs as soon as possible. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Sarah Tuttle Plato Academy	Posted - 2008.06.05 16:09:00 - [3] /signed Sarah Tuttle My Eve Site
Sarah Tuttle Plato Academy	Posted - 2008.06.05 16:09:00 - [4] /signed Sarah Tuttle My Eve Site
Jareck Hunter Academy of Decadence Hereticus Aegis Communis	Posted - 2008.06.05 16:10:00 - [5] I love to read the Backstory Artickels and everything and so on. So it would be nice to hear something new and to update the old/non actual stuff. ------------------------------------------------- Sorry for my bad english^^ Join public Channel "Decadence" or visit www.eve-decadence.de
Vlad Konstantinov PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.06.05 16:17:00 - [6] I want to give my support to the idea/discussion going on.
Hardin Praetoria Technologies	Posted - 2008.06.05 16:20:00 - [7] I also agree with this. It is something that CCP could correct and improve with relatively little effort particularly if they got the playerbase involved in highlighting specific inconsistencies. ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
Horatius Caul PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.06.05 17:27:00 - [8] I support this. Even as a quite new player, I've had time to notice that the most influential stories have lacked more and more in support since the game started (the Year 105 thing).
LaFond Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.05 17:31:00 - [9] Yes please.
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.05 17:38:00 - [10] If you want to see a really bad example, in the context of recent in-game developments, check out the CEO of just about any Caldari corporation. Otro Gariushi is still in control of Ishukone, Torkebara Shutsu is still in control of Caldari Constructions, and Tibus Heth isn't running anything. I wouldn't object if CCP just entirely ignored the RP side of the game, but to half-support it and half-ignore it, and not even make the most basic follow-through on your big flashy video, is just crazy. ------------------ Fix the forums!

Allaria Kriss Elipse Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.05 17:42:00 - [11] Angry Minmatar Carebear supports this discussion.
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.05 17:44:00 - [12] Please, for the sake of a more fully immersive and engrossing experience, let's clean up the incongruities and tie up the major loose ends. Three years is far too long to have one of the major factions basically in a holding pattern. Supported completely.
Grr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.06.05 18:43:00 - [13] Signed. Epitoth Fleetyards is Recruiting
Taizu Lilith Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.05 18:44:00 - [14] These arcs (and others) need to be addressed. If CCP just had one person full time on the story and making sure that it progressed, I think that would be very positive. Preferibly they would have at least one per empire.
Theron Gyrow Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.05 18:46:00 - [15] Well said, Rodj. -- Gradient forum
IzzyChan Naqam	Posted - 2008.06.05 18:49:00 - [16] Mah supports, I giev you them. -------------------- Naqam
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.05 18:50:00 - [17] Amen, brother. (Sorry, I have always wanted to say that to you.) I won't list my favorite gripes here, I am sure everyone (including Ginger) has heard them often enough, and besides the Amarr Emperor stuff makes the rest pale. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Shaikar PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.06.05 18:53:00 - [18] Oh yes, the conclusion or at least progression of the old neglected plot threads really needs to be addressed.
Gazon Epitoth Labs Amarr Builders Consortium	Posted - 2008.06.05 19:09:00 - [19] /signed Now recruiting!
Ethidium Bromide ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.05 19:13:00 - [20] in support! Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.

NereSky Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.05 19:23:00 - [21]
Amira Silvermist The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.06.05 19:35:00 - [22] Very true... ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Arkady Sadik Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.05 19:39:00 - [23] Yes please.
Nikita Alterana Malice.	Posted - 2008.06.05 19:43:00 - [24] /signed __________________________________________________
Chani Miranor PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.06.05 19:47:00 - [25] /signed
Dani Leone A Dark Cloud Unaffiliated	Posted - 2008.06.05 20:09:00 - [26] /signed -----------------------------
Ranamar	Posted - 2008.06.05 20:16:00 - [27] It might not be the right place to point it out, but there are other inconsistencies on the EVE website... for example, not all the ships we have in game are in the item DB, and some of them have the wrong description. support for fixing inconsistencies!
MirrorGod Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.06.05 20:21:00 - [28] /Signed Recruitment: [ANTI]
Evanda Char Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.05 20:39:00 - [29] Yes, please to a cleanup and update of the annual overviews, certain points of contention in the backstories and please, please, please just a few news articles or something to give us the feeling that past events haven't been forgotten by the NPC population of the world who are the only ones who can do something about them. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Lallara Zhuul Path of Thorns	Posted - 2008.06.05 20:48:00 - [30] /signed. --------------------------------------- 'Death is the only Release from duty..'



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