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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2008.06.06 11:49:00 -
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Minmatar Prime Minister Karin Midular is facing serious trouble.
With emotions running high in current times, I hope her Minmatar followers provide good security for her.
If this can not be provided, I fear for her untimely demise.
Feel free to discuss.
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Nachshon
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.06 11:50:00 -
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I doubt she's in danger of assassination - at least, not from the Minmatar.
She's facing political pressure to resign, and will probably succumb, but her life is not in danger
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Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.06 12:31:00 -
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Ushra'Khan's bounty of 1 isk still stands:
Wanted: Karin Midular
It's time to rise Matari!
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.06 12:34:00 -
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Time to rise against other Matari, Karn Mithralia?
Is that really what you want? Because the way you people are asking for it, it starts to seem to me that it is pretty close that you will get it.
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Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.06 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 06/06/2008 12:45:06
Karn laughs.
Why would I waste my time fighting other Matari?
His eyes glint, inflamed with a fire unquenchable, now burning bright.
Sister, it is time to be done with Midular and her crawling to the Amarr. It is time for all Matari to rise, rise agaist our common enemy. The signs are written for all to see, the stars grow dim in the western heavens ...
Rise Matari! Sons and daughter of Matar, prepare yourselves for war!
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.06 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 06/06/2008 12:56:29
I do not know why you do waste your time, Karn Mithralia, but the truth is that putting a bounty (even a symbolic one) on the head of the leader of (still) a significant part of other Matari, in a thread where assassination is quite seriously discussed, very much is trying to incite Matari to rise against each other.
I am sure you mean well, brother, but this is not the way to go about it.
But do not be worried, we have spent preparing the time you have wasted.
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Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.06 13:13:00 -
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Ya mouth flaps too much woman.
See you on the battlefield, guns pointed at the same target.
For our people!
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Redbad
TSL Wolfpack
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Posted - 2008.06.06 13:34:00 -
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If you think this is trouble mr. Vision, you should attend a traditional Brutor wedding sometimes.
Did you start this discussion as an outlet of your own emotions running high, or are there some serious indicators within your network that hint towards an assassination?
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.06 14:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Nachshon
I doubt she's in danger of assassination - at least, not from the Minmatar.
She's facing political pressure to resign, and will probably succumb, but her life is not in danger
With the media reporting that Midular seems to be going off the deep end it wouldn't suprise me if an average planet side citizen or a pod pilot took to opportunity to claim a small bounty. In the media Midular is increasingly looking narcissistic and desperate.
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Jacque Custeau
Knights of the Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2008.06.06 14:24:00 -
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Rumors on the g*****vine indicate she has been seen with an Amarrian ambassador who was giving her instructions on how to proceed next.
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Major Death
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.06 14:47:00 -
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With the media reporting that Midular seems to be going off the deep end it wouldn't suprise me if an average planet side citizen or a pod pilot took to opportunity to claim a small bounty.
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I'll take a piece of that action at half the price.
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Robert Kauliford
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.06 14:55:00 -
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I'd offer 1 isk for the head of Shakor but I'm sure the Amarr already have a far larger bounty on his head.
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Stitcher
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:49:00 -
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Why is it that the moment somebody even remotely controversial steps onto the galactic stage, the death threats start pouring in? Heth, Foiritain, Midular...
What in Divinity's Edge happened to sane, balanced responses?
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Why is it that the moment somebody even remotely controversial steps onto the galactic stage, the death threats start pouring in? Heth, Foiritain, Midular...
What in Divinity's Edge happened to sane, balanced responses?
For the record we've had the bounty on Midular for quite some time :) Electus Matari are just upset because as loyalists it distresses them when people tell them their elected leader is a slaver loving puppy with all the bit of my great aunt hilda.
EM follow the lead of the state, lets hope that this likely toughening of the state helps to bring the minmatar paramilitary factions closer together towards uniting our people. Unless of course they're not going to follow whoever leads next so devotedly as they've followed Midular and her Ray of Matar
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Cribb
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
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Posted - 2008.06.06 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: Cribb on 06/06/2008 16:15:44
No need in killing her.
It might be wiser to exile her to the Great Wildlands.
The Thukker Tribe have some beef with her,
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Stitcher
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.06 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine
Originally by: Stitcher
Why is it that the moment somebody even remotely controversial steps onto the galactic stage, the death threats start pouring in? Heth, Foiritain, Midular...
What in Divinity's Edge happened to sane, balanced responses?
For the record we've had the bounty on Midular for quite some time :)
Well, I say this with every intention of causing offense - the Ushra'Khan have never, in the entire time I've been watching you people, responded to anything in a way that I would describe as "rational" or "balanced".
Putting a bounty - even a jokey, only half-serious one for a mere 1 ISK - on a head of State is simply not a sane or balanced response. The message you're spreading there is that the life of a slave is worth more to you than the life of a free woman, and that this particular woman is only valuable in a grave. Hardly a noble stance to be taking.
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Bad Harlequin
Chiroptera Factor
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Posted - 2008.06.06 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
What in Divinity's Edge happened to sane, balanced responses?
What is this mythical beast of which you speak..?
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.06 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Cribb
Edited by: Cribb on 06/06/2008 16:15:44
No need in killing her.
It might be wiser to exile her to the Great Wildlands.
The Thukker Tribe have some beef with her,
Perhaps Vo'shun would be more fitting?
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Bad Harlequin
Chiroptera Factor
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Posted - 2008.06.06 19:57:00 -
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Surely we can do better than this. If we start killing our political failures, we're no better than the Amarr. Exile is a pretty poor retirement plan, as well. She served, she chose, she led, and now perhaps she'll fall. That's how it goes. Should her time at the helm be done, let her go her way in peace.
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Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.06 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Harlequin
[...] we're no better than the Amarr.
That is the best summary of Ushra'Khan policy I have read in a long time.
And no, this is not an official Electus Matari position.
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Bad Harlequin
Chiroptera Factor
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Posted - 2008.06.06 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Arkady Sadik
Originally by: Bad Harlequin
[...] we're no better than the Amarr.
That is the best summary of Ushra'Khan policy I have read in a long time.
And no, this is not an official Electus Matari position.
I am not currently affiliated with Ushra'Khan, but i'll thank you not to take snippets of moderate statements I make that may, by the way, happen to coincide with your views, and use them to take cheap, snarky potshots at people i've flown with, especially when the irony of using such a statement for petty infighting escapes you.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.06 20:56:00 -
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Edited by: Sapphrine on 06/06/2008 20:57:00
Originally by: Arkady Sadik
Originally by: Bad Harlequin
[...] we're no better than the Amarr.
That is the best summary of Ushra'Khan policy I have read in a long time.
And no, this is not an official Electus Matari position.
Lets look then at your official position...
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
That the Defiants and Ushra'Khan would throw away all we have to die gloriously in a war where they risk not only their own freedom but that of everyone - that is nothing new.
So in essence, you'd rather back a dead horse and rumble about how you wish so deperately that a peaceful solution would work rather than move to support people fighting to free enslaved people. You feel its not worth the risk to change and suffer hardship to free the rest of our people. In essence, you don't want to fight to free our people, you think we should talk about it for a bit longer.
Its been 100 years.... things have not really improved for those still enslaved and the amarrians aren't remotely considering freeing them. At some point there needs to be a rebalance. The people seem to be supporting a move to do something more physical about it. God's forbid a tribal people, proud of its heritage and with deep bonds of kinship doesn't want to watch over half its people enslaved and bound and do nothing about it.
If you want to see someone thats 'no better than the amarr' you may want to look closer to home. Inaction resulting in slavery is tacit support of it.
and no, this isn't an official Ushra'Khan statement... but as a council member and leader i'm well aware it will be given more weight than just a random statement, as you well know your statement would be given Arkady. EM would do well to stop trying to hide behind semantics and technicalities and look at the clear picture. I just hope when the time is right you'll be willing to do more than just talk and should the parliament move to a more active curbing of the slaver threat, be willing to fight as hard for our people as you have for sitting at home drinking tea.
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Nachshon
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.06 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine
Edited by: Sapphrine on 06/06/2008 20:57:00
Originally by: Arkady Sadik
Originally by: Bad Harlequin
[...] we're no better than the Amarr.
That is the best summary of Ushra'Khan policy I have read in a long time.
And no, this is not an official Electus Matari position.
Lets look then at your official position...
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
That the Defiants and Ushra'Khan would throw away all we have to die gloriously in a war where they risk not only their own freedom but that of everyone - that is nothing new.
So in essence, you'd rather back a dead horse and rumble about how you wish so deperately that a peaceful solution would work rather than move to support people fighting to free enslaved people. You feel its not worth the risk to change and suffer hardship to free the rest of our people. In essence, you don't want to fight to free our people, you think we should talk about it for a bit longer.
Its been 100 years.... things have not really improved for those still enslaved and the amarrians aren't remotely considering freeing them. At some point there needs to be a rebalance. The people seem to be supporting a move to do something more physical about it. God's forbid a tribal people, proud of its heritage and with deep bonds of kinship doesn't want to watch over half its people enslaved and bound and do nothing about it.
If you want to see someone thats 'no better than the amarr' you may want to look closer to home. Inaction resulting in slavery is tacit support of it.
and no, this isn't an official Ushra'Khan statement... but as a council member and leader i'm well aware it will be given more weight than just a random statement, as you well know your statement would be given Arkady. EM would do well to stop trying to hide behind semantics and technicalities and look at the clear picture. I just hope when the time is right you'll be willing to do more than just talk and should the parliament move to a more active curbing of the slaver threat, be willing to fight as hard for our people as you have for sitting at home drinking tea.
If Parliament decides to move against the slavers, we will fight. I'm pretty sure this IS an EM position. We serve the Republic.
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Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.06 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Harlequin
to take cheap, snarky potshots at people i've flown with, especially when the irony of using such a statement for petty infighting escapes you.
You assume a lot there.
For years now, I have tried to talk with Ushra'Khan in sensible ways. I have bend over backwards ignoring their insults against my people, my nation, and my government - all in the name of the "unity" they speak of so much, but never act for. And even when the legal ways happen to possibly give their views a majority in the government, when their views have a chance of becoming policy, even then, they do not stop, but continue to insult, to threaten and to work towards a civil war.
There was a vote of no confidence in these appeasement politics of mine. A group of rebels in my head asked for a more aggressive stance. I guess we should hope that the reports of me dragging these rebels out of my head are not exaggerated and made up like so many news reports lately.
For UNITY.
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.06 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Karn Mithralia
Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 06/06/2008 12:50:56
Ushra'Khan's bounty of 1 isk still stands:
Wanted: Karin Midular
It's time to rise Matari!
The moment you deny a Minmatar his right to live (as long as he is not denying your right to life), even if his political views (even beliefs) are not the same as yours, you are betraying your own beliefs and way of life.
Think about it U'K people. Midular may did things that didn't appeal to you, but never actively tried to take away your right to life.
Is she the real enemy? No.
You have to look for the possible best of Minmatar as a nation, and not only a part of that. These times call for decisions that will affect the future of billions of people.
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Conlin
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.06 21:33:00 -
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Everytime EM talk (which is all they do) , A Kitten dies 
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Stitcher
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.06 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 06/06/2008 21:40:22
Originally by: Conlin
Everytime EM talk (which is all they do) , A Kitten dies
sometimes, one kitten must die so that a million puppies may live.
Now, do us all a favour and try contributing something useful next time.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.06 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
The moment you deny a Minmatar his right to live (as long as he is not denying your right to life), even if his political views (even beliefs) are not the same as yours, you are betraying your own beliefs and way of life.
So if we run that through, Midular had the right to assassinate Karishal why?
'Here's a flag of truce come chat. Come with us or die. no you say? Fair enough, we'll kill you then.' this is the person you think deserves to be allowed to live? Midulars life is forfeit, if i meet her ever i will try to kill her regardless of the cost. As it stands i suspect its worth quite a few drinks as well as the 1isk now :)
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Conlin
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.06 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Edited by: Stitcher on 06/06/2008 21:40:22
Originally by: Conlin
Everytime EM talk (which is all they do) , A Kitten dies
sometimes, one kitten must die so that a million puppies may live.
Now, do us all a favour and try contributing something useful next time.
Ok Kitten ;)
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.06 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: Mithrantir Ob''lontra on 06/06/2008 21:55:48
Originally by: Sapphrine
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
The moment you deny a Minmatar his right to live (as long as he is not denying your right to life), even if his political views (even beliefs) are not the same as yours, you are betraying your own beliefs and way of life.
So if we run that through, Midular had the right to assassinate Karishal why?
Without ever accepting that assassinating Captain Karishal, was the right decision to take, i can only urge you to think this question.
If you repeat the same mistake Midular did, would you not betray your beliefs and way of life?
She did the mistake of neglecting the fact that Karishal was representing a portion of the Minmatar nation. That put the Republic in a difficult and shaky position. You really wanna give your nation another push to bliss? Or you want to see it rise once again and really represent what it stands for?
Don't ever have the same misconception Midular did. We are not alone in this, and our actions affect a lot.
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