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Stekanis Darkstar
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Posted - 2008.06.07 00:18:00 -
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At best, you have shamed the republican and democratic principles OF the Republic. At worst, you have possibly critically destabilized the government. Instead of dissolving Parliament, could you not have taken your case to the people and let their will determine the path of the Republic. A fairly elected official dissolving a body of other fairly elected officials is a terrible move. Please, remedy this action before we backpedal dangerously towards dictatorship.
If we are better than others in the galaxy, let's prove it by standing by the system of government and the will of its people.
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Stitcher
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.07 00:41:00 -
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I think some people are failing to understand what "dissolving the government" actually means.
I blame a biased media report.
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Evanda Char
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.07 00:43:00 -
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As stated in one of the proliferating other threads, dissolution of parliament is what is done prior to calling an election. It is not the same as overthrowing parliament and seizing power.
Dissolution of parliament is the first step in calling elections, which you could describe as "taking your case to the people and letting their will determine the path of the Republic." It is not "backpedalling towards a dictatorship."
Ignorance is not a point of view.
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Stekanis Darkstar
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Posted - 2008.06.07 00:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Evanda Char
As stated in one of the proliferating other threads, dissolution of parliament is what is done prior to calling an election. It is not the same as overthrowing parliament and seizing power.
Dissolution of parliament is the first step in calling elections, which you could describe as "taking your case to the people and letting their will determine the path of the Republic." It is not "backpedalling towards a dictatorship."
Ignorance is not a point of view.
True enough. On the other hand, it is rather difficult to justify a dissolution when it occurs after they give a vote of no confidence. What I'll wait to see is whether she honors the vote of no confidence if a majority of that parliament is re-elected. "Taking her case to the people" in a representative democracy is trusting that the people will vindicate her choices in a bid for her re-election, not taking the whole body down with you.
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Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.07 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 07/06/2008 01:00:36
My (admittedly crude) understanding of politics indicates Evanda and Stitcher are correct.
Midular has dissolved parliment because of the vote of no confidence (she can no longer govern) and by doing so opened the door for a general election.
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Stitcher
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.07 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 07/06/2008 01:00:07
Originally by: Stekanis Darkstar
True enough. On the other hand, it is rather difficult to justify a dissolution when it occurs after they give a vote of no confidence.
uhmmm... actually, dissolution is apparently precisely the right thing to do in response to a vote of no confidence.
Good grief, my entire knowledge of Minmatar politics has been jury-rigged together in less than a day from education reels, discussion with other pilots and listening to political commentary coming out of the Republic's media networks, and it seems I already know more than some born-and-bred Minmatar do... astonishing.
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Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.07 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Stekanis Darkstar
On the other hand, it is rather difficult to justify a dissolution when it occurs after they give a vote of no confidence.
Actually, it is exactly the thing you do after a vote of no confidence.
A vote of no confidence has no legal meaning whatsoever. The Prime Minister can ignore it. Alternatively, the prime minister can dissolve parliament to force re-elections. Midular chose not to ignore the vote of no confidence, she chose to listen to it.
And people are angry at her for it. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad.
If you did not want parliament to be dissolved, go to Shakor and tell him it was a stupid idea to ask for a vote of no confidence. If you think Shakor did the right thing, be happy that Midular listened to the vote and does the lawful and correct next steps.
Remain calm and allow government processess to work.
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Stekanis Darkstar
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Posted - 2008.06.07 01:47:00 -
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I suppose my response to this is a little one-sided. My thought in this sort of situation is that the minister should resign their position and seek a re-election to the position.
I will grant that I was "wrong" in that dissolving parliament is an appropriate response. Still, I tend to think that there were better ways of resolving this on both sides. My apologies to GalNet for stirring this pot further.
I still think that this critically destabilizes government at an inopportune time, though.
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Kudon Astraisx
17th Minmatar Tactical Wing
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.07 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Stekanis Darkstar
I suppose my response to this is a little one-sided. My thought in this sort of situation is that the minister should resign their position and seek a re-election to the position.
That is what she did, actually. Currently, there is a caretaker government, intended to keep the machinery of state grinding without making any changes in course.
Originally by: Stekanis Darkstar
I still think that this critically destabilizes government at an inopportune time, though.
What would be an 'opportune' moment to change governments? When there are no critical issues that could cause the sort of controversy that leads to such a change?
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Zimarla
The House of Marek
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Posted - 2008.06.07 05:01:00 -
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With the riots and whatnot happening, it's clear that Mr. Darkstar is not the only one that doesn't know what dissolving the parliament means.
You see people, a parliament consists of representatives chosen by their constituencies. Then, once all parliament members have been chosen, the majority party of the parliament chooses one person among their number to be the prime minister. Therefore, the only good way to replace a prime minister is to have the entire parliament be re-elected, because otherwise the majority party will still be in charge and there will be no change. If she had simply resigned, the same party that selected her to be prime minister would be the one assigned to select another.
Despite being unpopular because she's not rabid for war, Midular is a true diplomat who is taking the most diplomatic course available after a vote of no confidence.
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