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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.06.11 03:39:00 -
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why not just make the raven/rohk 8/7/4, to match the apoc and abaddons 8/4/7  |
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Shinra
Shinra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.11 03:51:00 -
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So basicaly you're *****ing because you can't fit a cap booster and MWD without nerfing your NPC raven? :P
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.11 07:00:00 -
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Edited by: Riho on 11/06/2008 07:02:20
i fly shield tanked and armor tanked ships in pvp... and i dissagree
i dont want them to be the same.
i like them the way they are.
there are soo many drawback thats stupid.
caldari ships and minni ships whit shield tanks would just WTF tank anything.
+ you dont need to have EW on tanking ship... thats why you have different ships.
ew ships do EW... BS do damage and tank. smaller ships are tacklers.
one ship that can tank like a beast.. have dps, ew and tackling is not fun.
i have no problems fitting mwd + inj on my raven or maelstrom or any other shield tank ship (even tho i dont fly mael any more... as it looks crap).
if you can figure out how to fit your shield tanked ships that use mwd and inj.. then you really shouldnt fly them at all.
take the sleip... i have mwd, point, inj on it.... on my claymore i have mwd, point, web, inj and still tanks like a mofo(as good as lets say astarte or better)
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Maeltstome
Suicidal Office Clerks
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Posted - 2008.06.11 08:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Liang Nuren
The more interesting thought for you is why cap boosters are "required" at all.
IMO, most ships should be able to run a basic tank (single rep of the appropriate size), and fire its guns for at least a couple of minutes without capping out.
-Liang
Unless you're being hit by 4 neuts from a domi.
The tempests ability to sustain a dual rep tank soley from cap boosters (the activation times and cap gained/used on this are PERFECT) and not loose dps is it's one saving grace.
However i cant say moving cap boosters to a high-slot would ruin my life. I can't tell you the number of ships it would open up new horizons for in my arsenal. But MWD's definately should stay a midslot.
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Kagura Nikon
Infinity Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.06.11 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: XFreedomX
Originally by: Storm Strike
Caldari (and minmatar shield tankers) would suddenly become uber as they recieved a large boost while all armor tankers were nerfed.
I can't agree with this. Right now active shield tanking is none existant in pvp. The armor tanker can simply remove a cap power relay and replace it with cap recharger instead. This is they don't use it for something better such as a webbifier or tracking disruptor.
surprise active armor tankers are also non existant in PVP!! (except on capital level, but there you have shield tankers too). Sicne the HP boost, just stickign more plaets and resist is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior to active armor tanking.
IF ccp want to change that they need to make active tankign of all types use WAY less capacitor. Because even witha cap injector , as of now your active tank will always alst less than a buffer tank.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.06.11 10:11:00 -
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MWD and cap boosters are fine, nerf hitpoints.
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Kagura Nikon
Infinity Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.06.11 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
MWD and cap boosters are fine, nerf hitpoints.
ooo oo wait. You know CCp. they don 't have sense of measure. If you say that they wil make all ships ahve 10 hp or less. So
Nerf Slighty the HPs!
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xXxKatsujinxXx
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Posted - 2008.06.11 10:14:00 -
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wah wah wahhhhh i can't believe people are even entertaining this guy... you want a BC class ship to go fast, web, scram, active tank, AND be cap stable? Lets look at the vaga, which can do all that except active tank, and people SCREAM about it being overpowered...
You're asking for much the same, from a BC CLASS SHIP (PSSSSSSST i think tackling is best left to the smaller ships) AND you want an active tank/cap stability with it.
Sounds like someones in a tizzy coz he trained so long for commands, only to find they aren't omgwtfpwnsaucesolomobiles. Heck while we're at it, lets give my inty lots more lows so i can fit an active tank too... and increase the cap so it'l permarun... ohhh and a few more lows for damage mods please...
Get some friends. Suddenly your FLEET SUPPORT SHIP will feel alot more usefull.
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Mika Meroko
Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.06.11 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: XFreedomX
Recently, I have been trying to for active shield tank on my pvp ships. Two module consistantly gets in my way. Thats right, MWD and Cap Boosters. So I started thinking. Why are these modules mid slot items?
so does web and scram....why are they mid slot items? they get in my way of fitting a shield tank pvp set up. make everything except shield stuff low slot please!
Originally by: XFreedomX
Cap Boosters seems like they should be a High Slot item. All other module that uses charges are high slot. Also falls inline with NOS which generates cap for your ship.
errrm, think scripts and all the things that goes with it =P
and no, cap boosters are just a power plug for your "batteries" ... it shouldnt be a high power item..... low power maybe... but then again, you are injecting power into your capacitor though the batteries... hence.. mid slot makes sense...
Originally by: XFreedomX
MWD (AB also) seems like they should be a low slot item. All other propulsion modules are low slot.
I dunno, MWD and AB DRAINS alot of power dude... just look at your cap when its turned on =P
and try it without cap skills or the en conservation skill trained.. =P
Originally by: XFreedomX
From the prospective of a active shield tanked pvp setup, having two required module using up the mid slot really hurt. Its the reason why no one uses active shield tank in pvp.
I do!!!! I am the sniper of a gang though.... but really... what you are trying to say is:
it stops you from active shield tank SOLO pvp
Fleet pvp on the other hand...
Originally by: XFreedomX
That is the reason why I thought these two changes would be great. But looking closer, this would help every race.
errrm, no.... Armour tankers needs their low slots dude. no sane amour tanker would put an AB in place of an extra plate/hardener/repper/EAMN.
Originally by: XFreedomX
Moving MWD to low means Amarrian ship will now have the available mid slots for scram and web.
errrrm, Amarrian ship and speed huh?....but yeah, I be worried about my armour tank.
Originally by: XFreedomX
Caldari ships can now have a tank along with the MWD. Their low and one high slot are usually wasted anyhow.
you may think is wasted, I find plenty of use for my lows and highs. and shield tank and missiles arent the only thing you can fit dude.
Originally by: XFreedomX
Minmatarr ships now can properly active tank. Hell, I can now have Cap Inj on my vagabond.
Minmatarr ship would be able to ACTIVE tank AND SPEED tank... I am glad I fly minmatarr too... your caldari ship will DIE against an matari whos speed and shield tankable...
yep, your Caldari Brick will die to my matari speed and active tanked ships.
Originally by: XFreedomX
Not sure about Gallente ships since I don't fly them, but you all can tell me :)
Gallente ships runs in the same amour tank problem...
Originally by: XFreedomX
Anyway, I can't think of any draw back and think ccp should take a look at this.
well now you got a list =P
*damn Diagusia ... so addictive... dude..*
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deadmeet
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Posted - 2008.06.11 10:45:00 -
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/disagree for the cap boosting in high slot, there are others modules that use charge in med slot, so it's a non viable argument.
/agree for the AB ans MWD in low slot, it is more logic because others modules that boost speed are in low slot, it would remove some nano slot for nano ship and all the whiner will be happy and it will make shield tanking more usefull in PVP...
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Jessica Molla
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Posted - 2008.06.11 10:49:00 -
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I am soo glad that most of these ideas are not to be taken into consideration(maybe none)
this is plain stupid and would screw up both gallente and amarr races...thin before you release your ideas and look what the change would do to other races not just your beloved caldary...
so...no
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Kay Rissa
Russian Thunder Squad
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: XFreedomX
Recently, I have been trying to for active shield tank on my pvp ships. Two module consistantly gets in my way. Thats right, MWD and Cap Boosters. So I started thinking. Why are these modules mid slot items?
Cap Boosters seems like they should be a High Slot item. All other module that uses charges are high slot. Also falls inline with NOS which generates cap for your ship.
MWD (AB also) seems like they should be a low slot item. All other propulsion modules are low slot.
From the prospective of a active shield tanked pvp setup, having two required module using up the mid slot really hurt. Its the reason why no one uses active shield tank in pvp.
That is the reason why I thought these two changes would be great. But looking closer, this would help every race.
Moving MWD to low means Amarrian ship will now have the available mid slots for scram and web.
Caldari ships can now have a tank along with the MWD. Their low and one high slot are usually wasted anyhow.
Minmatarr ships now can properly active tank. Hell, I can now have Cap Inj on my vagabond.
Not sure about Gallente ships since I don't fly them, but you all can tell me :)
Anyway, I can't think of any draw back and think ccp should take a look at this.
Can I ask you couple question ? How long have you been playing eve ? Can you please show your face to us and you killboard ?
Do You know why I am asking those questions ? Because it seems to me, that you are a clueless noob, who doesnt have any f...g ideas how to fit or pilot a ship !!! Because you are so c..p you are posting those rediculous ideas !!! Do you realise that this game was created many years ago and It has been designed like that !!!
You are screaming somewhere in this post, that you cant fit sleipnir, you know why, because you are IDIOT. You want sleipnir with all med slot tank ???? DO U EVEN REASLISE WHAT THIS MEAN ??? I guess nope, because otherwise you wouldnt make a fool out of yourself.
p.s. I dont suppose you show us your real face
Proud member of RTSQ
ps: i dont like to kill innocent ppl, so if i killed u, u rnt innocent
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Delichon
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
why not just make the raven/rohk 8/7/4, to match the apoc and abaddons 8/4/7
QFT + Mael probably should get it too.
We have 7 and 8 lowsloted gank-BS. Yet the only ship with 6+ mids is a dedicated EW-ship.
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XFreedomX
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kay Rissa
Can I ask you couple question ? How long have you been playing eve ? Can you please show your face to us and you killboard ?
Longer then you appearantly since you don't know how to check that in game yet.
Originally by: Kay Rissa
Do You know why I am asking those questions ? Because it seems to me, that you are a clueless noob, who doesnt have any f...g ideas how to fit or pilot a ship !!! Because you are so c..p you are posting those rediculous ideas !!! Do you realise that this game was created many years ago and It has been designed like that !!!
So now you are censoring ideas? I sense you fear the idea may have credit and ccp may take a look at this.
Originally by: Kay Rissa
You are screaming somewhere in this post, that you cant fit sleipnir, you know why, because you are IDIOT. You want sleipnir with all med slot tank ???? DO U EVEN REASLISE WHAT THIS MEAN ??? I guess nope, because otherwise you wouldnt make a fool out of yourself.
It wasn't a scream, it was a thought which occured to me while fitting a Sleipnir. Yes I do realize what it means. Stop being dramatic, if you think it over powered just state it. I don't since it gives me a reasonable active shield tank on the Sleipnir on par with other command ships.
Originally by: Kay Rissa
p.s. I dont suppose you show us your real face
Real face or game face? And who is us, are you threatening me?
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Elhina Novae
Sky's Edge
deadspace society
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Posted - 2008.06.11 16:48:00 -
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XFreedomX has made lots and lots of troll threads on this forum already so don't bother trying to argue with him, not worth it lol.
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Kay Rissa
Russian Thunder Squad
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.06.11 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Elhina Novae
XFreedomX has made lots and lots of troll threads on this forum already so don't bother trying to argue with him, not worth it lol.
He is always right no matter what you say! :D (he thinks)
Thanks, didnt notice that, he is just another troll.
I hate whiners, nerf this, nerf that. This way one day all of us we will be flying ibis-es of doom
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