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Nikita Alterana	Posted - 2008.06.10 22:26:00 - [1] http://digg.com/world_news/The_Anti_Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement_ACTA_2 DIGG THIS AND SPREAD THE WORD Quote: The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) is a proposed plurilateral trade agreement that would impose strict enforcement of intellectual property rights related to Internet activity and trade in information-based goods. The agreement is being secretly negotiated by the governments of the United States, the European Commission, Japan, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Canada, and Mexico.[1][2] If adopted at the 34th G8 summit in July 2008, the treaty would establish an international coalition against copyright infringement, imposing a strong, top-down enforcement regime of copyright laws in developed nations. The proposed agreement would allow border officials to search laptops, MP3 players, and cellular phones for copyright-infringing content. It would also impose new cooperation requirements upon internet service providers (ISPs), including perfunctory disclosure of customer information, and restrict the use of online privacy tools. The proposal specifies a plan to encourage developing nations to accept the legal regime. Basically you can be searched at any time without a warrant to check and see if you have illegal mp3s, pictures, movies, etc. If they find anything suspicious (which is bull** since it is impossible to tell if an MP3 on your ipod is illegal just by looking at it) they can confinscate your laptop, mp3 player, etc. and even destroy it if they like. And your ISP must report any suspected pirate, who will then be searched without warranty and have their computers confiscated and possibly destroyed. This is bull**. Oh yeah this applies to the US, Europe, Canada, Mexico, Japan, Switzerland, Australia, etc. Basically if you are reading this it affects you. Get the rapetrain, Get the partyvan. All previous projects pale in comparison to this threat. nobody on the internet will support this, and if it becomes public enough, in theory, it WILL fail. we can't do anything other than tell EVERYBODY and let the masses get to roaring. this is it, gentlemen, this is the final boss.
Micheal Dietrich Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.06.10 22:30:00 - [2] Didn't we just have a thread on this?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.10 22:31:00 - [3] Ah, they've tried nonsense like this before. Always fails. The technological barrier always gets in the way. As you say, how can you tell if an MP3 is illegal? How can you enforce a ban on internet sharing, when some of the most popular forms (p2p software and irc, for example) are inherently untraceable on a surface level? You can't, so they wont.
ReaperOfSly Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.10 22:32:00 - [4] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Didn't we just have a thread on this? I didn't see one
Micheal Dietrich Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.06.10 22:40:00 - [5] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Didn't we just have a thread on this? I didn't see one meh, I lost it, but in the other article it strictly dealt with the US/Canadian borders. I agree though, somethign like this will never go through
Remata Lakira Terran Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.10 23:07:00 - [6] Question: You guys say that the inability to tell the difference between legally downloaded and illegally downloaded stuff makes something like this impossible, but if we think about how anti-piracy software that comes with games is based on the assumption that anyone with daemon tools installed is obviously a pirate then won't these guys do the same with p2p networks? They could just search the computers of people who have been reported to use p2p and they will find pirates that way most of the time.
ReaperOfSly Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.10 23:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Remata Lakira Question: You guys say that the inability to tell the difference between legally downloaded and illegally downloaded stuff makes something like this impossible, but if we think about how anti-piracy software that comes with games is based on the assumption that anyone with daemon tools installed is obviously a pirate then won't these guys do the same with p2p networks? They could just search the computers of people who have been reported to use p2p and they will find pirates that way most of the time. There are plenty of legitimate uses of peer to peer software. Randomly searching the computers of people who use it would be legally dodgy at best. __________________________ Quote: ...bored, skint, no charter, and a ship that looks like an explosion in a girder factory...
Remata Lakira Terran Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.10 23:43:00 - [8] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: Remata Lakira Question: You guys say that the inability to tell the difference between legally downloaded and illegally downloaded stuff makes something like this impossible, but if we think about how anti-piracy software that comes with games is based on the assumption that anyone with daemon tools installed is obviously a pirate then won't these guys do the same with p2p networks? They could just search the computers of people who have been reported to use p2p and they will find pirates that way most of the time. There are plenty of legitimate uses of peer to peer software. Randomly searching the computers of people who use it would be legally dodgy at best. That is quite true, but like I said computer game companies are already discriminating against people who use emulation software such as daemon tools, and as someone before me stated: a lot of people in the government know jack **** about technology. My point is that I wouldn't be surprised if this became legitimate on the grounds that anyone who uses p2p is obviously a pirate and the government won't do much to dispute that. This is probably jsut me worrying but what do you think the chances of this happening are?
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2008.06.10 23:51:00 - [9] Originally by: Nikita Alterana ... stuff... Yeah, its not going to happen. Working within the Forensic Computing field in the UK, I know we don't have anywhere near enough staff to search through hard drives and data storage devices of SOC crimes and child abuse cases let alone to go searching through Joe Bloggs' ipod so the record industry can try to sue someone. Bigger fish to fry kinda thing here.
Havok Dryke Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative	Posted - 2008.06.11 00:57:00 - [10] This is where we are forced to be inventive. The Exploding Computer, now with 300% more thermite (2:50) The Big Red Button Put them together and what do you get? Martha! The FBI is here! PRESS THE BUTTON! --- Kaboom: The process by which large objects are broken down into many small objects. Originally by: Alz Shado Chribba doesn't mine Veldspar -- the ore offers itself to him in tribute.
Irish Whiskey Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.11 02:16:00 - [11] macchanger -A eth0 Or for all of you non-compiling types: macshift -i LAN
LordMordred Body Count Inc. Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.06.11 03:05:00 - [12] I'm not sure you quite understand Nikita. Even if the US Senate agreed to this treaty... laws to effect US Citizens would still have to be passed. Which would be promptly shot down in Supreme court as unconstitutional. The Treaty itself would not a US law make.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2008.06.11 03:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Irish Whiskey macchanger -A eth0 Or for all of you non-compiling types: macshift -i LAN So how does this help with IP packets? Since IP data packets don't use MAC address.
Nikita Alterana	Posted - 2008.06.11 04:42:00 - [14] I'm glad you guys agree with me for the most part, but you still don't understand the scope of it. Anything copyright infringing will be illegal. Music without proper DRM, TV shows copied off the air, even owning a p2p client, even if its not for pirating will be illegal, meaning if you have Limewire, you can have your computer confiscated without warning. the agreement will also ban the use of anonymizers. good bye proxy servers, ip proxies, TOR, privoxy, and all that. any anonymizer software is illegal. me just having my Tor will be illegal. They'll be able to look at any computer, any iPod, any cellphone, at any time, without warning, and if they find anything that violates copyright laws, you can have it confiscated or even destroyed. They'll bully ISP sources into giving out information on who used p2p software, and anyone in possession of it can be randomly searched without warning or warrant. We are talking about a *****down of freedom on an Orwellian level. You disagree with this, then don't just say it, help, for the good of the internet, for the good of the people, for the good of the world, we cannot, will not let this stand. If you want to preserve your freedom, then you'd be wise to help in any capacity possible. Don't hold back, repost this everywhere, make posters, draw attention to the issue, let people know that our governments are launching an outright attack on our privacy and our freedom. No one on the net will be in favor of this, but if we don't rally all the support we can get, then that dissidence will lead to naught. The future of the web, is in your hands.
Victor Valka Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.11 04:56:00 - [15] Hello, TrueCrypt! "Why, no, officer. There are no hidden partitions on my computer that I know of. "
MalVortex Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.11 10:07:00 - [16] Originally by: Victor Valka Hello, TrueCrypt! "Why, no, officer. There are no hidden partitions on my computer that I know of. " And they certainly aren't encrypted if there are! When will they learn that initiatives like this will always fail? Also, fourth amendment, etc. I want to see a search warrant from this treaty to last 5 seconds in court.
Taii'dan	Posted - 2008.06.11 15:15:00 - [17] Originally by: LordMordred I'm not sure you quite understand Nikita. Even if the US Senate agreed to this treaty... laws to effect US Citizens would still have to be passed. Which would be promptly shot down in Supreme court as unconstitutional. The Treaty itself would not a US law make. Nothing ever gets "promptly shot down in Supreme Court." It takes at least six years to even get there, not to mention legal fees numbering in the six figures. And then they have to agree to hear the case. So, who wants to risk their freedom as a guinea pig?
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.11 17:24:00 - [18] For all of those who say they wont know whats copyrighted, if this is the law im thinking about its placed in the officers hands what is copyright and what isnt....And I believe even burned dvds are considered copyright. They already do it for child **** in canada, and if you are going anywhere you should have a password on your laptop as im doubtfull they are allowed to confiscate it without any proof.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2008.06.11 21:03:00 - [19] Originally by: goodby4u For all of those who say they wont know whats copyrighted, if this is the law im thinking about its placed in the officers hands what is copyright and what isnt....And I believe even burned dvds are considered copyright. They already do it for child **** in canada, and if you are going anywhere you should have a password on your laptop as im doubtfull they are allowed to confiscate it without any proof. Suspicion with cause is all thats needed to get a warrant. Pass wording a computer is USELESS if the police have it anyway.
Siberys	Posted - 2008.06.11 21:28:00 - [20] BOOOOOOOOOOOO! You put it on the internet, it's your own fault if it gets stolen.

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